Remember when Millsap was a rebounder?

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Re: Remember when Millsap was a rebounder? 

Post#21 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:09 am

BringtheD wrote:I'm pretty sure the jazz would've won a series with boozer. he helped get the jazz to at least the second round like every year, and chicago also has gotten out of the first round...while jefferson is still waiting to win a playoff game.


it really doesn't matter. ok. let's say you win a SERIES. i disagree with that, but let's pretend that is the case, just for the sake of the argument. the question still stands:

so you'd prefer winning one more playoff series having boozer, even if it means impeding kanter and favors' progress even further by two more years, eliminate the jazz's financial flexibility for the next two years and excluding them from pursuing top free agents in 2014, and still be eliminated in the first or second round?

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Re: Remember when Millsap was a rebounder? 

Post#22 » by reapaman » Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:44 am

BringtheD wrote:I'm pretty sure the jazz would've won a series with boozer. he helped get the jazz to at least the second round like every year, and chicago also has gotten out of the first round...while jefferson is still waiting to win a playoff game.

Yea lets forget after rose went down vs philly last year the bulls almost lost 4 straight if it wasn't for Deng saving the day in game 5. Loozer pretty much rolled over and stunk it up like he always does when you really need him to show up. I would take AL over loozer any day. AL would do so much better in chicago than Loozer has done.
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Re: Remember when Millsap was a rebounder? 

Post#23 » by StocktonShorts » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:36 am

For the record, I don't think resigning Boozer was a good idea, I'm just comparing Boozer's prime with Al's and claiming that boozer was superior, especially as a passer and defensive rebounder. I don't really see how anyone can argue that.

Boozer's drawbacks were his help defense and his injury problems.

By the way, I'm still convinced that Al's inability to play with Deron eventually led to the disintegration of that team.

Don't read that as a criticism of Al: he is who he is, and KOC should've known the type of player he was getting and that he was a poor fit not only for Deron but for Sloan's offense.
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Re: Remember when Millsap was a rebounder? 

Post#24 » by BringtheD » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:07 am

I can appreciate Sloan now that I've seen what a sucky coach like Corbin is like.
I pay money to watch the jazz play, so obviously, I want them to be as good as possible. if that means second round every year I'll take it. If we still had boozer, we might still have deron, those two had good chemistry and you just don't trash all that hard work by bringing in a guy like jefferson. Who knows, the jazz team of boozer and deron, +koufus + two first round draft picks -AK47 huge contract and you might be able to get to a championship at sometime down the road. So I don't mind wating and hoping if the potential is there. But the jazz team of the last three years has no championship potential, they barely have eighth seed potential. Listen to Fat Al talk, this is a guy who is complacent and happy with an eighth seed. He has lost so much in his career thathe is like damaged goods. Anyway, it doesn't matter now, and I'm still a jazz fan. And I don't think anyone whom I've read post really wants weezy back. Most fans are unified on that at least.
However, the truth is that the jazz are further from a championship now then they were three years ago, and whatever potential is there in favors and kanter is being wasted. There isn't an allstar on the jazz, the closest one is fat al and he is the real LOOZER. Favors and Kanter aren't going to be allstars next year, if they really break out maybe in two years, but comeon, they have allot of work to do. They aren't close to all star level, but they are better then fat al and milsuck, because they play within a team concept, they play defense, they pass. They are funner to watch.
So, I don't mind waiting and hoping if the potential is there. Fat Al is the real LOOZER, and Millsap sucks too.
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Re: Remember when Millsap was a rebounder? 

Post#25 » by reapaman » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:32 pm

StocktonShorts wrote:By the way, I'm still convinced that Al's inability to play with Deron eventually led to the disintegration of that team.

I strongly disagree because Boozer adapted worse playing with Rose yet they still went to the conference championship. Plus going into February, we were 31-22 before the coaching change so its not like they were doing horrible despite all the drama. KOC shouldve gotten on his knees to get sloan to coach the rest of the season (mabey he did) or at least bring in a more experienced head coach like Mike Brown then try to get some better parts around Wiliams-Jefferson like someone to replace the roles Korver and Brewer played or some better defender.

But did KOC attempt to do anything savvy? No, he promoted corbin, didn't try to aquire anyone to help out the team, traded williams unexpectedly and just plain gave up while letting the team downward spiral.
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Re: Remember when Millsap was a rebounder? 

Post#26 » by StocktonShorts » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:43 pm

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StocktonShorts wrote:By the way, I'm still convinced that Al's inability to play with Deron eventually led to the disintegration of that team.

I strongly disagree because Boozer adapted worse playing with Rose yet they still went to the conference championship. Plus going into February, we were 31-22 before the coaching change so its not like they were doing horrible despite all the drama. KOC shouldve gotten on his knees to get sloan to coach the rest of the season (mabey he did)


I think Sloan was probably past the point of reworking his offense to accommodate a change as significant as adding Al Jefferson. Looking back at some of his quotes the year when Boozer (surprisingly) opted in, he mentioned how he wanted another shot with the same group of guys. At the time I thought he was just grossly overvaluing that group of players; in retrospect, maybe he just didn't want to change.

In general, as people get older, they like change less and less, and Sloan was getting up there.
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