Marvin Williams with heel surgery, out until probably Dec

Jazzfan12 · Post #1 » by **Jazzfan12** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:53 pm

http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/marvin-wil ... go-surgery

:-?

Jazzfan12 · Post #2 » by **Jazzfan12** » Fri May 31, 2013 9:56 pm

Of course, recovery for this injury can go up to 9 months and who knows how he'll play afterward since Achilles injuries can be pretty serious.

Luigi · Post #3 » by **Luigi** » Fri May 31, 2013 10:24 pm

Bummer. I'll miss his defense. He didn't work out to be a very good investment, but I think it was a good risk on a young player to try out a new situation.

I wonder if Hayward will play more 3 now.

The59Sound · Post #4 » by **The59Sound** » Fri May 31, 2013 10:42 pm

I feel terrible for Marvin, who's an awesome human being, but this will open up minutes we know Ty would have given him, so that's a small silver lining.

Post #5 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri May 31, 2013 11:08 pm

The59Sound wrote:I feel terrible for Marvin, who's an awesome human being, but this will open up minutes we know Ty would have given him, so that's a small silver lining.

exactly. i feel bad for marvin, but more encouraged now that there is a higher probability we'll see more of burks.

babyjax13 · Post #6 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 2:35 am

I wonder if this is why he sucks. Hope he gets better soon, he has the talent to be something in this league if he just becomes more assertive. That and he seems like a down-to-earth, likeable guy.

mjvile · Post #7 » by **mjvile** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:07 am

I feel sorry for the guy, like the saying goes, "Nice guys finish last.". So with the new CBA is there any coverage or can he still opt into his contract being injured?

Its a crappy situation to be in cause he is set to make between $7-$8 mil next season and maybe play 2-4 months at tops ( probably the most paid based off a per average ). I know with the "disable player exception" we would be able to pick up a new player and shred some salary but only after he is declared ineligible for the season (considered intelligible for the remaining season due to disability).

Could we use the amnesty clause after he opts in?

Interesting situation.

Winglish · Post #8 » by **Winglish** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:26 am

This pretty much guarantees that Williams will opt in. The Jazz won't get the disabled player exception if he really is able to come back in 6 months. Amnesty or ride out the year are the most likely scenarios. The Jazz can use the amnesty option because they didn't use it on Raja Bell. It was very smart of them to waive Raja after the deadline like they did.

The other option is to keep Marvin on the disabled list for the full season with a wink-wink under the table to claim the DPE.

I guess DeMarre gets an offer for sure now?

Post #9 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 10:46 am

mjvile wrote:So with the new CBA is there any coverage or can he still opt into his contract being injured?

he can still opt in even if he is injured.

mjvile wrote:I know with the "disable player exception" we would be able to pick up a new player and shred some salary but only after he is declared ineligible for the season (considered intelligible for the remaining season due to disability).

we don't need it. we have plenty of cap space and roster spots. we can get a replacement anyway. the exception you are talking about is mostly helpful for teams over the cap who will have very limited options to getting a replacement by any other means. for the jazz, it makes no difference. he's also due back during the season, so i don't think the jazz will be eligible for that anyway.

mjvile wrote:Could we use the amnesty clause after he opts in?

no need for that. the jazz aren't in any bind in relation to its cap situation. quite the opposite. also, if you amnesty marvin you still have to pay him. might as well keep him and pay his salary, and have him play for you. he'll at least have value as an expiring contract, which is an asset you'd lose if you amnesty him.

*edit
it also appears marvin is not eligible for the amnesty provision:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/which-nba-teams-can-still-use-amnesty

Keep in mind, the only players who can be amnestied are ones who were signed to contracts with their respective team prior to the lockout. That means players who were signed over the last two years cannot be amnestied, even if their team hasn’t used the clause. It also means players who were traded over the last two years cannot be amnestied, since the team that acquired them isn’t the same team that inked them to their contract.

Ballstaedt · Post #10 » by **Ballstaedt** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 4:44 pm

Look this is great news for the Jazz. Obviously I feel bad for him and do not wish that on any human being, but he has been a absolute waste of space. For some reason our coaching staff thinks its a great idea to keep giving mediocre vets lots of minutes and now they won't be able to do that (as much - as i roll my eyes). Now the young guys get more time and Marvin is absolute garbage anyways. Can't wait to see him gone. He is a really great guy, but basketball wise I would never want him on my team.

Reckless · Post #11 » by **Reckless** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 9:48 am

Yeah I feel bad for a injured player that can opt-in to 8 million dollars despite being a no show all of last season. But he is a good guy, so it's OK...Turns out trading Devin Harris was one of the worst jazz deals in recent memory. How the **** did that happen? I hated Harris guts as a starter but he would have been more useful to us as a backup PG to Mo last season than Marvin Williams was as a starter considering we had two backup PG's who couldn't score and Alec Burks who looked out of position. Marvin just looked awful last year, I would have rather signed some D-league guy and given him a shot or played Demarre Caroll 36 minutes a game.