Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell

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Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#1 » by DelaneyRudd » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:51 pm

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2017/10/12/monson-lets-just-say-it-the-jazz-have-a-star-in-donovan-mitchell/

Some folks are sniffing around about it, sitting and waiting on it, poking and hinting at it, looking and hoping for it, so … why don’t we just come right out and say it?
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Post#2 » by Paper Face » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:59 pm

Just Monson trying to set himself up as an "OG".
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Post#3 » by BarneyGumble » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:21 pm

This is Monson just hoping and praying like the rest of us! Nothing wrong with drinking a little kool-aid in the offseason. May this Kool-aid be sweeter than the Exum brand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#4 » by BudTugly » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:54 am

I don't quite get Snyder's reluctance to play him as a point. Thought he looked great doing it so far. Way better than the Burks experiment.
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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#5 » by DelaneyRudd » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:52 am

I think the idea is to make him Wade like I guess. With Exum out it may work out for that.


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Post#6 » by pickIBL » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:58 am

Some type of wade/bradley mold. If it actually happened that'd be insane.
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Post#7 » by Daddy 801 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:09 pm

Locke keeps saying that the idea is he does become a PG eventually but they don't want to burden him with being in charge of initiating the offense and making him worried about getting everyone else involved in the game. That try slowly want to bring him along to PG duties but they want him to learn to play off ball first. I'm sure Locke is saying what he has heard in practice.


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Post#8 » by KqWIN » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:17 pm

I think we need to pump the brakes a bit. He is a tough shot maker, but as we've seen with Hood that isn't an easy way to get by. His shot selection is crazy and I don't think he can be an efficient player without some adjustments.

One of the biggest things that makes a star is the ability take advantage of the efficient parts of the court: Rim, FT, and 3 point line. The focus of his development should center around increasing his volume and efficiency from those areas. He hasn't proven to be have both high volume and efficiency from any of those areas yet.
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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#9 » by BudTugly » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:35 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:Locke keeps saying that the idea is he does become a PG eventually but they don't want to burden him with being in charge of initiating the offense and making him worried about getting everyone else involved in the game. That try slowly want to bring him along to PG duties but they want him to learn to play off ball first. I'm sure Locke is saying what he has heard in practice.


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That makes sense but this situation reminds me a little of when Gobert hit the court and I was watching Kanter try to play Center.

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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#10 » by KqWIN » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:26 pm

I'll be the first one to say that positions don't matter, especially in our offense, but I don't like Mitchell bringing up the ball either. He's always in score/make a play mode, and it's better that he starts off the ball so the offense can get moving first.
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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#11 » by babyjax13 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:47 pm

KqWIN wrote:I'll be the first one to say that positions don't matter, especially in our offense, but I don't like Mitchell bringing up the ball either. He's always in score/make a play mode, and it's better that he starts off the ball so the offense can get moving first.


I agree with you that positions don't matter. I think he gets himself into trouble right now when he initiates because he hasn't gotten the defense to move sometimes before he makes his move (the importance of passing). Alec is better at creating his own shots in those situations. But Mitchell looks really good, and I think those other skills will come along. To the person that mentioned the Alec "experiment", that IMO was largely due to Corbin's failure as a coach. You can't expect Alec to run the offense the same way Devin Harris and Moe Williams do. Quinn doesn't, Alec is a great as a 1 in our system (and would be in Dallas, too). I'm more comfortable with Alec getting backup minutes at the 1 right now, or playing Donovan next to Ingles where Ingles can create for him, and Donovan can benefit from Joe's shooting (and kick out on drives).
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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#12 » by tleikheen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:36 pm

I'll be the first one to say that positions don't matter, especially in our offense, but I don't like Mitchell bringing up the ball either. He's always in score/make a play mode, and it's better that he starts off the ball so the offense can get moving first.


This is interesting here because Exum got sat down when he wanted/started looking for his offense last year instead of running Snyder's offense 1st.
Would Snyder allow Mitchell to free lance (look for his own shot) before initiating the Jazz offense after holding Exum back from doing the same thing.
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Post#13 » by KqWIN » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:43 pm

tleikheen wrote:
I'll be the first one to say that positions don't matter, especially in our offense, but I don't like Mitchell bringing up the ball either. He's always in score/make a play mode, and it's better that he starts off the ball so the offense can get moving first.


This is interesting here because Exum got sat down when he wanted/started looking for his offense last year instead of running Snyder's offense 1st.
Would Snyder allow Mitchell to free lance (look for his own shot) before initiating the Jazz offense after holding Exum back from doing the same thing.


It's the same problem. The first pass needs to be make quick to get things moving. Exum, and now Mitchell, are prone to dribbling the ball too much and eating clock. That's a problem most young guards have.

They need to learn that if they move the ball quickly they are more likely to get it back later, and when they do they will be in a better position to score or make a play.
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Post#14 » by tleikheen » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:52 pm

They need to learn that if they move the ball quickly they are more likely to get it back later, and when they do they will be in a better position to score or make a play.


This is the sadness of Exum's injury ....he got it and was initiating what Snyder had preached .He pushed the ball up ,passing and running and was getting all the scoring opportunities he wanted and looked damn good with Mitchell running with him.

I think you just let Mitchell do what he does best for now and not push running PG on him at this point of his very young career.
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Post#15 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:54 pm

KqWIN wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
I'll be the first one to say that positions don't matter, especially in our offense, but I don't like Mitchell bringing up the ball either. He's always in score/make a play mode, and it's better that he starts off the ball so the offense can get moving first.


This is interesting here because Exum got sat down when he wanted/started looking for his offense last year instead of running Snyder's offense 1st.
Would Snyder allow Mitchell to free lance (look for his own shot) before initiating the Jazz offense after holding Exum back from doing the same thing.


It's the same problem. The first pass needs to be make quick to get things moving. Exum, and now Mitchell, are prone to dribbling the ball too much and eating clock. That's a problem most young guards have.

They need to learn that if they move the ball quickly they are more likely to get it back later, and when they do they will be in a better position to score or make a play.

There are also differences in that Mitchell has a better handle, is a better shooter and finisher at the rim than Exum was/has been, so there is more trust in Mitchell than Exum in the past. Agree, though, that there will be a learning curve and bumps along the way, but I think that the Jazz see that Mitchell has great potential and thus are willing to play him to develop him as quickly as possible.

Once again, I could see a Exum/Mitchell backcourt in the future where both are PG/SG hybrid types, which works for this offense.
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Post#16 » by KqWIN » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:40 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
This is interesting here because Exum got sat down when he wanted/started looking for his offense last year instead of running Snyder's offense 1st.
Would Snyder allow Mitchell to free lance (look for his own shot) before initiating the Jazz offense after holding Exum back from doing the same thing.


It's the same problem. The first pass needs to be make quick to get things moving. Exum, and now Mitchell, are prone to dribbling the ball too much and eating clock. That's a problem most young guards have.

They need to learn that if they move the ball quickly they are more likely to get it back later, and when they do they will be in a better position to score or make a play.

There are also differences in that Mitchell has a better handle, is a better shooter and finisher at the rim than Exum was/has been, so there is more trust in Mitchell than Exum in the past. Agree, though, that there will be a learning curve and bumps along the way, but I think that the Jazz see that Mitchell has great potential and thus are willing to play him to develop him as quickly as possible.

Once again, I could see a Exum/Mitchell backcourt in the future where both are PG/SG hybrid types, which works for this offense.


Agreed, though it sure looked like Exum had turned the corner. He looked great this summer and was making great decisions.

Mitchell is more erratic in his decisions than Exum ever has. He does have a better handle, but he makes more mistakes compare to Exum who played not to make a mistake often.

In short, they have different strengths and weaknesses, but together I think they'd make a great duo.
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Post#17 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:27 pm

I hear what you're saying. I think that Exum has always been a PG, whereas Mitchell has been a shooting or combo guard. I think that Mitchell has the ability to become a pretty good PG, I just think that he doesn't have the mindset for it yet (looking to pass to others that are in a scoring position before looking to score for himself). I wouldn't say Westbrook is a pure PG either, yet he does just fine.

That Exum looked like he was turning the corner and starting to show what we have all been hoping to see over the last three years and then getting seriously injured, again, was a real blow to the gut.
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Re: Monson: Let’s just say it — the Jazz have a star in Donovan Mitchell 

Post#18 » by MTJazzv3 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:53 pm

I'm definitely on the hype train and grabbed a seat last July. Everything we saw in summer league is translating so far. No reason at all he won't be a rotation regular and I suspect closing lots of games. Top 3 rookie by the end of the season? More embrace the hype at the Dunk.
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Post#19 » by KqWIN » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:45 am

MTJazzv3 wrote:I'm definitely on the hype train and grabbed a seat last July. Everything we saw in summer league is translating so far. No reason at all he won't be a rotation regular and I suspect closing lots of games. Top 3 rookie by the end of the season? More embrace the hype at the Dunk.
https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/10/12/16463286/the-downbeat-donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz-rookie


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Post#20 » by Winglish » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:55 pm

KqWIN wrote:
MTJazzv3 wrote:I'm definitely on the hype train and grabbed a seat last July. Everything we saw in summer league is translating so far. No reason at all he won't be a rotation regular and I suspect closing lots of games. Top 3 rookie by the end of the season? More embrace the hype at the Dunk.
https://www.slcdunk.com/2017/10/12/16463286/the-downbeat-donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz-rookie


5 years ago SLCDunk had an article saying, "It's absurd to pretend that Favors isn't already the greatest two-way post player the team has ever had." This was before Favors had even become a starter!

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