We should give whatever it takes to get Harden

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Should we go after James Harden?

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Yes but we should keep at least Mitchell
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#21 » by eLo » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:08 pm

sip wrote:
eLo wrote:well so as we know right now asking price was not specially high i dont know if harden would like to join Jazz, plus its nice to see that rockets are scr.w, but i agree with author of this topic that wit this bunch of guys and with Gob and Mitchell as leaders we wont win nothing past 2rd
The asking price looked pretty damn high to me. Three unprotected 1sts as well as 4 picks swaps and 2 really good younger players in Levert and Allen.

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rox get like what levert, then they lost their mind and change that for oladipo, and yes lot of picks but i majority of those wont be specialy high one so i still think that price was quite low, especially for mvp caliber of player
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#22 » by sip » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:43 am

eLo wrote:
sip wrote:
eLo wrote:well so as we know right now asking price was not specially high i dont know if harden would like to join Jazz, plus its nice to see that rockets are scr.w, but i agree with author of this topic that wit this bunch of guys and with Gob and Mitchell as leaders we wont win nothing past 2rd
The asking price looked pretty damn high to me. Three unprotected 1sts as well as 4 picks swaps and 2 really good younger players in Levert and Allen.

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rox get like what levert, then they lost their mind and change that for oladipo, and yes lot of picks but i majority of those wont be specialy high one so i still think that price was quite low, especially for mvp caliber of player
The first few years of picks will be late 1st but KD has already had a major injury and Kyrie is extremely injury prone. Also we have seen 2 straight situations where Harden pushed for a so called friends in CP and Westbrook but both times it ended bad. Harden may just be an **** that wears on people and I can see major issues with Irving. It wouldn't shock me to see this thing blow up after next year when all 3 stars are free agents. As far as Oladipo goes I think they move him to a contender later in a month or 2 for a couple more 1sts.

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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#23 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:55 am

Now the Nets need to trade Irving to the Wizards for Westbrook.
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#24 » by red4hf » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:28 pm

Can you imagine in 2 years when the Nets re-sign Harden, Irving and Durant to new deals? That luxury tax bill is going to be huuuuge......
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#25 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:53 pm

What a weird, but highly talented team. They've already got Irving not playing lately for personal reasons and now they are bringing on another superstar who believes off the court rules and being on time for meetings and practices are rules for other players. Before the trade went down, Stephen A. Smith suggested that Irving should retire because Irving is not committed to playing basketball. And while Kevin Durant seems to be a great professional who can lead by example, I am not sure he is a vocal leader.

They only have a first year coach, Nash, backed up by D'Antoni, who is the coach that let Harden get away with whatever he wanted at Houston.

The Nets have a great shot to win it all based on overwhelming talent, but I don't think they have a leader like Jordan or Lebron who leads both by example and voice, driving excellence and discipline from other players.
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#26 » by Joao Saraiva » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:45 pm

red4hf wrote:Can you imagine in 2 years when the Nets re-sign Harden, Irving and Durant to new deals? That luxury tax bill is going to be huuuuge......


If that's the price of winning a ring... there will be years to get that money back.

Now they're all in as they should. Don't be like Phoenix that might not have won with Nash because of the ownership.
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#27 » by red4hf » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:10 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
red4hf wrote:Can you imagine in 2 years when the Nets re-sign Harden, Irving and Durant to new deals? That luxury tax bill is going to be huuuuge......


If that's the price of winning a ring... there will be years to get that money back.

Now they're all in as they should. Don't be like Phoenix that might not have won with Nash because of the ownership.


If they win a ring, and even that is up for a debate...... Durant is a proven winner..... Irving and Harden are not...... They gutted the team to get Harden...... Irving is a basket case, and Harden is not exactly the best teammate if things are not going well......

And there's no plan B......
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#28 » by Joao Saraiva » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:19 pm

red4hf wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:
red4hf wrote:Can you imagine in 2 years when the Nets re-sign Harden, Irving and Durant to new deals? That luxury tax bill is going to be huuuuge......


If that's the price of winning a ring... there will be years to get that money back.

Now they're all in as they should. Don't be like Phoenix that might not have won with Nash because of the ownership.


If they win a ring, and even that is up for a debate...... Durant is a proven winner..... Irving and Harden are not...... They gutted the team to get Harden...... Irving is a basket case, and Harden is not exactly the best teammate if things are not going well......

And there's no plan B......


Obviously nothing is guaranteed. But a ring can happen with this trio, so it's time for the all in.

The plan B is blow it up and retool. Happens a lot and there is nothing wrong with it.
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#29 » by red4hf » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:00 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
red4hf wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:
If that's the price of winning a ring... there will be years to get that money back.

Now they're all in as they should. Don't be like Phoenix that might not have won with Nash because of the ownership.


If they win a ring, and even that is up for a debate...... Durant is a proven winner..... Irving and Harden are not...... They gutted the team to get Harden...... Irving is a basket case, and Harden is not exactly the best teammate if things are not going well......

And there's no plan B......


Obviously nothing is guaranteed. But a ring can happen with this trio, so it's time for the all in.

The plan B is blow it up and retool. Happens a lot and there is nothing wrong with it.


Except you have nothing but cap space to retool with, no draft picks, so even being bad gets you nothing..... Sure you can try to sign and trade Harden or Durant in 2 years, at which time they will be like 35, so what are you going to get for them?

Helps to have an owner with such deep pockets..... Certainly a ballsy move on their part, we'll see how it will work out...... Will be fun to watch either way.......
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#30 » by Joao Saraiva » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:50 pm

red4hf wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:
red4hf wrote:
If they win a ring, and even that is up for a debate...... Durant is a proven winner..... Irving and Harden are not...... They gutted the team to get Harden...... Irving is a basket case, and Harden is not exactly the best teammate if things are not going well......

And there's no plan B......


Obviously nothing is guaranteed. But a ring can happen with this trio, so it's time for the all in.

The plan B is blow it up and retool. Happens a lot and there is nothing wrong with it.


Except you have nothing but cap space to retool with, no draft picks, so even being bad gets you nothing..... Sure you can try to sign and trade Harden or Durant in 2 years, at which time they will be like 35, so what are you going to get for them?

Helps to have an owner with such deep pockets..... Certainly a ballsy move on their part, we'll see how it will work out...... Will be fun to watch either way.......


There is always some kind of deal to make to get draft picks.

Brooklyn seemed to be going nowhere at the begining of 2015 and yet 5 years later they already had KD and Irving guaranteed.
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#31 » by vryadli » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:23 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
red4hf wrote:Can you imagine in 2 years when the Nets re-sign Harden, Irving and Durant to new deals? That luxury tax bill is going to be huuuuge......


If that's the price of winning a ring... there will be years to get that money back.

Now they're all in as they should. Don't be like Phoenix that might not have won with Nash because of the ownership.


No, it is a price for making a big splash on market.

Two whiny superstars don't add to a ring, only to some crazy recaps with "Harden beat season record" for something like 3P attempts in last two minutes of 3d quarter and move to the second place on the list of most prolific scores in that stats.

Other than that, even the improvement if their current W/L ration is not given.
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Post#32 » by vryadli » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:31 pm

Crunch 99 wrote: And while Kevin Durant seems to be a great professional who can lead by example, I am not sure he is a vocal leader.



I agreed with KD being a great professional, but he but he is not just quiet, also looks like a man who is can quietly quit on any team any time and make a quite professional move for better place... which he kind of did a couple times.
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Re: We should give whatever it takes to get Harden 

Post#33 » by red4hf » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:52 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
red4hf wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:
Obviously nothing is guaranteed. But a ring can happen with this trio, so it's time for the all in.

The plan B is blow it up and retool. Happens a lot and there is nothing wrong with it.


Except you have nothing but cap space to retool with, no draft picks, so even being bad gets you nothing..... Sure you can try to sign and trade Harden or Durant in 2 years, at which time they will be like 35, so what are you going to get for them?

Helps to have an owner with such deep pockets..... Certainly a ballsy move on their part, we'll see how it will work out...... Will be fun to watch either way.......


There is always some kind of deal to make to get draft picks.

Brooklyn seemed to be going nowhere at the begining of 2015 and yet 5 years later they already had KD and Irving guaranteed.


There's no deal for draft picks that make any kind of a difference...... Buying the 25th pick or a few second rounders will not do.....

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