Game 51: Utah Jazz (38-12) @ Phoenix Suns (35-14)

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Game 51: Utah Jazz (38-12) @ Phoenix Suns (35-14) 

Post#1 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Apr 7, 2021 11:08 am

A lot of interesting matchups in this game, like Conley vs CP3, Mitchell vs Booker, etc.
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Post#2 » by Crunch 99 » Wed Apr 7, 2021 3:12 pm

A big game on ESPN between the #1 and #2 seeds with all the regular rotation guys suited up. Go Jazz!

Preview today is from Rotowire rather than ESPN.
https://www.rotowire.com/basketball/game-preview.php?id=2314192

Expected Utah/Phoenix lineups at time of this post (a fixed image from Rotowire):
https://www.rotowire.com/basketball/nba-lineups.php
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Post#3 » by Crunch 99 » Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:13 pm

Lifetime Mitchell vs. Booker head to head matchups from basketballreference.com:

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Lifetime Paul vs. Conley head to head matchups from basketballreference.com:

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20/21 season Per Game stats for Gobert and young Ayton from basketballreference.com:
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=goberru01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=aytonde01&p2yrfrom=2021

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Bonus: Bogey is shooting .389 on 6.2 3PA/game and Crowder is shooting .385 on 6.3 3PA/game.
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Post#4 » by vryadli » Wed Apr 7, 2021 4:50 pm

he-he, O'Neale against Crowder going to be interesting side story.
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Post#5 » by ducler » Wed Apr 7, 2021 6:04 pm

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Post#6 » by @ndrew » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:23 am

Your traditional Utah Jazz. **** the pants guys. We will be lucky to get out of 1st round.
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Post#7 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:38 am

It's pretty amazing that the Jazz won Q1 after getting down 13-2 to start the game.
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Post#8 » by @ndrew » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:02 am

Take a look how Every team is trying (successfully) to strip the ball away from Bojan. And whenever he is not hitting shots, he is just negative value.
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Post#9 » by @ndrew » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:08 am

And I don't understand why Gobert is playing so softly on offensive end.
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Post#10 » by GobertReport » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:08 am

Remember when everyone was said I was crazy that we should go get Aaron Gordon, looks like I’m laughing now, **** chemistry.
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Post#11 » by @ndrew » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:16 am

GobertReport wrote:Remember when everyone was said I was crazy that we should go get Aaron Gordon, looks like I’m laughing now, **** chemistry.

I was for Aaron Gordon like for 3 years. It was a shock his price was so cheap. I would traded BB for him in a second. Too bad the Orlando didn't want it
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Post#12 » by @ndrew » Thu Apr 8, 2021 4:23 am

Imagine if Bojan can hit 3pointers..
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Post#13 » by @ndrew » Thu Apr 8, 2021 4:34 am

It's just sad. Our power forward is awful. No rebounding help and negative on offense. I don't understand Quin at all. Like at All.
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Post#14 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 2:21 pm

I think the combined 30 points on 37 attempts from Conley, Clarkson, Ingles and Niang was a lot bigger problem than Bogey's 20 points on 17 attempts. Bogey went 7-9 in the paint and had one tov for the game. Would have been nice if he could hit his threes, but the same goes for Conley, Niang and O'neale who were a combined 2-13 on threes. And Clarkson and Mitchell were only 33% on threes.
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Post#15 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Apr 8, 2021 3:04 pm

I was on board with trying to acquire Gordon, but said other teams were in better position to trade for him. Bogey will be 32 years old in ten days; he has two more seasons left on his contract and he isn't having as good a season as last season. He doesn't have a very tradable contract, especially to a team like Orlando who wanted to rebuild with young players.

The next most valuable contract, Ingles' contract, is only a little more than half of Gordon's salary. Perhaps Orlando could have been interested in Ingles' all around game and veteran leadership on his reasonable contract, but I wasn't interested in trading Ingles to go forward with Gordon/Bogey rather than Ingles/Bogey, even if we could have mustered up attractive filler combined with Ingles' contract to match Gordon's salary. I think trading Ingles would have been too disruptive to our bench and team flow that has been good this season, as well as lose us an important backup point guard.

If Bogey just regains a little more confidence and rhythm on his threes heading in to the playoffs, we'll be very competitive in the playoffs.
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Post#16 » by @ndrew » Fri Apr 9, 2021 1:42 am

Crunch 99 wrote:I think the combined 30 points on 37 attempts from Conley, Clarkson, Ingles and Niang was a lot bigger problem than Bogey's 20 points on 17 attempts. Bogey went 7-9 in the paint and had one tov for the game. Would have been nice if he could hit his threes, but the same goes for Conley, Niang and O'neale who were a combined 2-13 on threes. And Clarkson and Mitchell were only 33% on threes.

Off course, every 3pt would matter, but he was supposed to be 3pt threat, and he have 5 wide open looks and he missed it. That's the problem. He is the more of a scapegoat for me, but I don't see any strong push in playoffs until he can become an offensive threat.
And he is per-se Poward Forward of this team. and we don't have people who can rebound the the ball outside of Rudy. I would use more Favors at that point.
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Re: Game 51: Utah Jazz (38-12) @ Phoenix Suns (35-14) 

Post#17 » by Cappy_Smurf » Fri Apr 9, 2021 5:56 am

@ndrew wrote:Your traditional Utah Jazz. **** the pants guys. We will be lucky to get out of 1st round.


Phoenix is a good team. Utah played like **** and still took this team to OT on their floor.

Don't let me interrupt the chicken little routine, though. Watch out for falling sky.

P.S. And the very next day, Utah wins and Phoenix loses, restoring balance to the NBA universe.

It's hilarious how Utah has the led the league, including the brutal west for the majority of the season, and yet we still have fans who freak out over every loss, as if they expect the team to go undefeated.
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Post#18 » by Cappy_Smurf » Fri Apr 9, 2021 6:05 am

GobertReport wrote:Remember when everyone was said I was crazy that we should go get Aaron Gordon, looks like I’m laughing now, **** chemistry.

If it were up to you, we would have traded every good player on this team, including Rudy.

You greatly overestimate your own ability to analyse basketball players/teams.

Lindzanic is much, much smarter than you. You should be grateful that you'll never have a chance to ruin this fantastic team that they have put together. I know I am. :clap:
dockingsched wrote:Gobert really shouldn’t even get impactful minutes on a true contender.

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Post#19 » by GobertReport » Fri Apr 9, 2021 12:42 pm

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GobertReport wrote:Remember when everyone was said I was crazy that we should go get Aaron Gordon, looks like I’m laughing now, **** chemistry.

If it were up to you, we would have traded every good player on this team, including Rudy.

You greatly overestimate your own ability to analyse basketball players/teams.

Lindzanic is much, much smarter than you. You should be grateful that you'll never have a chance to ruin this fantastic team that they have put together. I know I am. :clap:


Gordon Hayward, Ingles (he’s been great this year), Rudy(if he wanted to jet Utah), and Favors for a better fitting piece. Those are the recent trades I have fervently proposed.... I still think paying Ingles 15 mill next year is a possible death sentence because his cliff is near.
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Post#20 » by vryadli » Fri Apr 9, 2021 1:15 pm

GobertReport wrote:
Cappy_Smurf wrote:
GobertReport wrote:Remember when everyone was said I was crazy that we should go get Aaron Gordon, looks like I’m laughing now, **** chemistry.

If it were up to you, we would have traded every good player on this team, including Rudy.

You greatly overestimate your own ability to analyse basketball players/teams.

Lindzanic is much, much smarter than you. You should be grateful that you'll never have a chance to ruin this fantastic team that they have put together. I know I am. :clap:


Gordon Hayward, Ingles (he’s been great this year), Rudy(if he wanted to jet Utah), and Favors for a better fitting piece. Those are the recent trades I have fervently proposed.... I still think paying Ingles 15 mill next year is a possible death sentence because his cliff is near.


Players with this level of BBIQ just don't have any special cliff. Like Shawn Marion and couple of others. Of course that level of BBIQ is at least as rare as superstar physical abilities.

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