The Official Utah Jazz-Related Stuff 2024-2025 Thread

[SoCalJazzFan]

If Collier is probably a backup PG, do you think that Keyonte is a starting PG? Personally, I am not sure that Keyonte is better than Collier.

I was at the game last night. Regarding Keyonte, I don't quite see him as a lead initiator. I don't think he processes and makes reads fast enough. I think he can play some PG, but he's more of a combo (think Booker, Beal, Dinwiddie, etc.). Ultimately, I think the Jazz would like to initiate from a multi-skilled wing or wing-sized guard. Or maybe the Jazz would play a style that doesn't require a pure PG.

I agree that Keyonte is not a natural facilitating/initiating PG. I like Keyonte, but the problem with him being a combo guard is that there has to be another good facilitator on the team. If that is someone like Collier, then you have too small of a backcourt. I predict that there will at some point, perhaps as early as before the end of this season, be a PG controversy in Utah.

Do we have a PG controversy, or has IC claimed the starting PG spot already?

[Inigo Montoya]

Do we have a PG controversy, or has IC claimed the starting PG spot already?

From what I understand by listening to Locke, the main reason George is coming off the bench is because of his defense so I don't know if this is a long term thing, but I think Collier looks a lot more natural than George in the PG position.

[babyjax13]

I am quite excited about signing Jaden Springer to a 2-way.

[Jingles2]

I am quite excited about signing Jaden Springer to a 2-way.

Two way or 10 day?

[babyjax13]

I am quite excited about signing Jaden Springer to a 2-way.

Two way or 10 day?

I may have misread - probably 10-day.
EDIT: it is a 10-day

[Inigo Montoya]

I am quite excited about signing Jaden Springer to a 2-way.

The main reason for being excited is that perhaps the Jazz are gearing up to tank harder for the remainder of the season, as they should.

[babyjax13]

I am quite excited about signing Jaden Springer to a 2-way.

The main reason for being excited is that perhaps the Jazz are gearing up to tank harder for the remainder of the season, as they should.

He is also just a defense-first guard and I think there is something there if the offense can even become below-average. Of course, I've felt that way about a lot of guards, but at least Springer has some size.

[Crunch 99]

Interview with Keyonte George at HoopsHype: https://hoopshype.com/lists/keyonte-george-qa-ive-set-my-foundation-and-now-i-have-to-keep-raising-the-floor/

[Inigo Montoya]

Congrats to Collier on winning rookie of the month.

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[Daddy 801]

Was looking at the hustle stats on the nba.com site. Kessler ranks #2 for contented two pointers per game which didn’t really surprise me, he’s good and he has played a decent amount of minutes this season. What shocked me is he is #4 on contested three pointers per game. And there weren’t really any other center big men on the list. Mostly long wings or draymond green type players.

Just a shout out to Kessler for the hustle. Impressive.

[Crunch 99]

I don't know how many of these players will be here in three years, but imo, the Jazz staff is doing a good job of developing players in the midst of trying circumstances - a tank and forever changing lineups. Walker and Collins are both significantly better players than last season. Sensabaugh is making progress. George is better than last season, but I am wondering if he is ever going to be good at defense. The rookies, Filipowski, Collier and Williams, are all making progress over the course of this season.

[Daddy 801]

I don't know how many of these players will be here in three years, but imo, the Jazz staff is doing a good job of developing players in the midst of trying circumstances - a tank and forever changing lineups. Walker and Collins are both significantly better players than last season. Sensabaugh is making progress. George is better than last season, but I am wondering if he is ever going to be good at defense. The rookies, Filipowski, Collier and Williams, are all making progress over the course of this season.

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As of right now I don’t see any of the young guys being full time starters on a good team but almost all of them have the potential to be good second unit guys. Keyonte may develop into a starting SG as his numbers are much better as secondary ball handler, and Collier may become a starting PG if he gets his shooting percentages up. Flip might work in lineups with Kessler and Lauri if we have two other really good defensive minded guards (which we don’t right now), but I see him as backup stretch 4/5 unless his defense can be hid with Kessler on the floor. Kessler is good….but I don’t know if he is that good. Flips defense is pretty horrible.

I’d say the Jazz drafted well last season. It was just a pretty bad draft. Can’t really do much about that except plan on a tank 2-3 seasons out when you know it’s going to be a good/bad draft. Which is almost impossible to do because no one was tanking for Giannis or Joker. In the past 25 years there was probably only 4-5 drafts that it was “obvious” people should tank and even then some of those guys haven’t panned out. LeBron was a no brainer, Zion hasn’t panned out, Wiggins didn’t live up to his potential, and Wemby was obviously worth tanking for. Those are the guys who in my memory had the “for sure someone to tank for hype” and again, Zion and Wiggins haven’t panned out. A ton of amazing talent has gone number 1 over the past 25 years. I just don’t remember the feeling around even Rose, Blake, AD, Kyrie, etc being as hyped as Wiggins and Zion. But my memory could just be off. I don’t remember hearing the next LeBron/Jordan for those guys the way Zion and Wiggins were hyped. Again…could just be wrong.

Regardless, I am not super pumped on our young guys. The Jazz have to tank this season and next. And if they don’t get two top three picks we still have to continue to tank. It just is what it is. Lord I hope we get Flagg because while I am pro tank I really hope we can tank this and next season and then start to put out a good team.

[AGE1207]

I don't know how many of these players will be here in three years, but imo, the Jazz staff is doing a good job of developing players in the midst of trying circumstances - a tank and forever changing lineups. Walker and Collins are both significantly better players than last season. Sensabaugh is making progress. George is better than last season, but I am wondering if he is ever going to be good at defense. The rookies, Filipowski, Collier and Williams, are all making progress over the course of this season.

m


As of right now I don’t see any of the young guys being full time starters on a good team but almost all of them have the potential to be good second unit guys. Keyonte may develop into a starting SG as his numbers are much better as secondary ball handler, and Collier may become a starting PG if he gets his shooting percentages up. Flip might work in lineups with Kessler and Lauri if we have two other really good defensive minded guards (which we don’t right now), but I see him as backup stretch 4/5 unless his defense can be hid with Kessler on the floor. Kessler is good….but I don’t know if he is that good. Flips defense is pretty horrible.

I’d say the Jazz drafted well last season. It was just a pretty bad draft. Can’t really do much about that except plan on a tank 2-3 seasons out when you know it’s going to be a good/bad draft. Which is almost impossible to do because no one was tanking for Giannis or Joker. In the past 25 years there was probably only 4-5 drafts that it was “obvious” people should tank and even then some of those guys haven’t panned out. LeBron was a no brainer, Zion hasn’t panned out, Wiggins didn’t live up to his potential, and Wemby was obviously worth tanking for. Those are the guys who in my memory had the “for sure someone to tank for hype” and again, Zion and Wiggins haven’t panned out. A ton of amazing talent has gone number 1 over the past 25 years. I just don’t remember the feeling around even Rose, Blake, AD, Kyrie, etc being as hyped as Wiggins and Zion. But my memory could just be off. I don’t remember hearing the next LeBron/Jordan for those guys the way Zion and Wiggins were hyped. Again…could just be wrong.

Regardless, I am not super pumped on our young guys. The Jazz have to tank this season and next. And if they don’t get two top three picks we still have to continue to tank. It just is what it is. Lord I hope we get Flagg because while I am pro tank I really hope we can tank this and next season and then start to put out a good team.

I agree with all of it but if we do get Flagg, I am not sure how we could then tank another season? I mean, once u have Kessler, Markannen and Flagg on the floor, you are bound to win at least 30 games right?
So, I hope we get Flagg and this was our only tanking season. Lord knows this season is taking like forever…

[Daddy 801]

I don't know how many of these players will be here in three years, but imo, the Jazz staff is doing a good job of developing players in the midst of trying circumstances - a tank and forever changing lineups. Walker and Collins are both significantly better players than last season. Sensabaugh is making progress. George is better than last season, but I am wondering if he is ever going to be good at defense. The rookies, Filipowski, Collier and Williams, are all making progress over the course of this season.

m


As of right now I don’t see any of the young guys being full time starters on a good team but almost all of them have the potential to be good second unit guys. Keyonte may develop into a starting SG as his numbers are much better as secondary ball handler, and Collier may become a starting PG if he gets his shooting percentages up. Flip might work in lineups with Kessler and Lauri if we have two other really good defensive minded guards (which we don’t right now), but I see him as backup stretch 4/5 unless his defense can be hid with Kessler on the floor. Kessler is good….but I don’t know if he is that good. Flips defense is pretty horrible.

I’d say the Jazz drafted well last season. It was just a pretty bad draft. Can’t really do much about that except plan on a tank 2-3 seasons out when you know it’s going to be a good/bad draft. Which is almost impossible to do because no one was tanking for Giannis or Joker. In the past 25 years there was probably only 4-5 drafts that it was “obvious” people should tank and even then some of those guys haven’t panned out. LeBron was a no brainer, Zion hasn’t panned out, Wiggins didn’t live up to his potential, and Wemby was obviously worth tanking for. Those are the guys who in my memory had the “for sure someone to tank for hype” and again, Zion and Wiggins haven’t panned out. A ton of amazing talent has gone number 1 over the past 25 years. I just don’t remember the feeling around even Rose, Blake, AD, Kyrie, etc being as hyped as Wiggins and Zion. But my memory could just be off. I don’t remember hearing the next LeBron/Jordan for those guys the way Zion and Wiggins were hyped. Again…could just be wrong.

Regardless, I am not super pumped on our young guys. The Jazz have to tank this season and next. And if they don’t get two top three picks we still have to continue to tank. It just is what it is. Lord I hope we get Flagg because while I am pro tank I really hope we can tank this and next season and then start to put out a good team.

I agree with all of it but if we do get Flagg, I am not sure how we could then tank another season? I mean, once u have Kessler, Markannen and Flagg on the floor, you are bound to win at least 30 games right?
So, I hope we get Flagg and this was our only tanking season. Lord knows this season is taking like forever…

I think the Jazz can tank just fine with Flagg next year. He’s good but I don’t think he is LeBron good and changes the team day 1. Rookies usually suck even if they are good for rookies. Flag seems like a Pippen type player to me who does everything well and will raise the floor a ton of any team. But come in and dominate the league…not so sure about that.

So maybe the Jazz can’t be top 3 bad, but at least they can keep their pick from OKC which if I remember right is top 8 protected. They would need to offload Collins and Sexton though. Because they could be pretty good if they rolled out Collier, Flagg, Lauri, Collins, Kessler with Sexton, Keyonte, Collins, Flip and young guys off the bench.

That starting five might not be ideal as far as positions, but it would win some games. And maybe it’s Sexton starting since Flagg can also handle the ball. Which would probably be even better than Collier…but maybe not.

I wish we didn’t have the pick protected so we could at least push to be competitive the first half of the season to see how good the team could be, but I also am happy it will force the Jazz to hopefully tank.

[Crunch 99]

I agree with all of it but if we do get Flagg, I am not sure how we could then tank another season? I mean, once u have Kessler, Markannen and Flagg on the floor, you are bound to win at least 30 games right?
So, I hope we get Flagg and this was our only tanking season. Lord knows this season is taking like forever…

Given the development of some players, I feel like our existing roster, even without Flagg, could win 30 to 35% of the remaining games if we weren't purposely tanking by sitting out nearly half the team from game to game. Tanking again may be the right decision, but it will likely be harder to pull off next season than this season.

I wonder what Markannen thinks about devoting two years of his prime to tanking? This year's tank hurt his trade value, so if he becomes unhappy, there is probably no super attractive trade like there was when he was coming off his All Star season.

At this point, without knowing who we are getting in the '25 draft, and without having read anything about expectations for the '26 draft, I am noncommittal about whether to tank again. In addition, I've realized there is a personal upside to tanking: I don't spend as much time watching NBA basketball. Lol.

I hope it is not bad luck to be talking as though we are getting Flagg!!!

[Inigo Montoya]

The Jazz are tanking so welp that the league has taken notice and fined them a $100,000. Respect.

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[Crunch 99]

Jazz were just fined $100,000 for sitting Markannen.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44225237/nba-fines-jazz-violating-player-participation-policy

[Inigo Montoya]

Good. That means the tank is working.

[AingesBurner]

Good. That means the tank is working.

The league doesn’t want Flagg in Utah, ****.

[babyjax13]

I think this season has been an embarrassment. If you wanted to tank, trade Lauri at the peak of his value, don't just sit players to blatantly lose. I hate Ainge.