2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread

[Rauxcee]

I'd very much like to get Harris.

[AingesBurner]

It’s Harris or Kemba or Randle and Lamb or bust.

[reapaman]

IMO, the first move should be trying to trade Gobert. No top team in a long time that has achieved any real playoff success has had a "star" player taking up major cap room like Gobert. The league has changed. He can't do anything against a team like Houston in the playoffs. He can't do much to stop them from raining threes. He can't jumpshoot well or spread the floor. You can't just give him the ball and he gets buckets. He's also not a playmaker. Favors would be a better modern center. He's like Horford or Aldridge. Not great at anything, but his game works in the playoffs when things slow down and get tighter which is why he usually plays well.

Also let Rubio go. Need someone that can jumpshoot a lot better or can just plain get buckets.

[Inigo Montoya]

It’s Harris or Kemba or Randle and Lamb or bust.

Lamb may fit, but he's a role player and not going to be a game-changer. He's not going to be the one elevating this team to another level.

[Inigo Montoya]

I too have cooled on this team, years of wasting assets have taken its toll and now we are looking at a treadmill team because of DL’s “patience”, if we don’t sign any one serious then we are relying on Exum or Allen to become near all stars. I am giving this team another year before I go cheer for Portland, their GM seems to have a pair and make smart moves.

I won't be changing teams, but I won't be following the Jazz that closely if things continue like this for much longer. The Blazers are good at getting good players for cheap via trades and pickups, but they are stuck at the same tier as the Jazz. They may get to the WCF this season but that will be due to favorable seeding matchups; they still aren't a real contender.

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Here's an 3x Eastern Conference all-star's splits against the Eastern and against the Western conference teams:



The guy is one of the wet-dreams of Jazz fans(mine included) in this coming NBA FA...

(Locke mentioned it on a radio interview so I got curious about just how different the splits were)

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It’s Harris or Kemba or Randle and Lamb or bust.

Lamb may fit, but he's a role player and not going to be a game-changer. He's not going to be the one elevating this team to another level.

Lamb is Rodney Hood. Only Rodney will probably cost half what Lamb goes for...

[Andri]

Here's an 3x Eastern Conference all-star's splits against the Eastern and against the Western conference teams:



The guy is one of the wet-dreams of Jazz fans(mine included) in this coming NBA FA...

(Locke mentioned it on a radio interview so I got curious about just how different the splits were)

IMO Kemba+DM and Favs+Gobert playing together is a disaster waiting to happen.

And we would be set for years

[Inigo Montoya]

It’s Harris or Kemba or Randle and Lamb or bust.

Lamb may fit, but he's a role player and not going to be a game-changer. He's not going to be the one elevating this team to another level.

Lamb is Rodney Hood. Only Rodney will probably cost half what Lamb goes for...

He'll probably sit out half as many games though...

[Inigo Montoya]

Here's an 3x Eastern Conference all-star's splits against the Eastern and against the Western conference teams:



The guy is one of the wet-dreams of Jazz fans(mine included) in this coming NBA FA...

(Locke mentioned it on a radio interview so I got curious about just how different the splits were)

I guessing it's Walker, and I'm not that eager to sign him to a max deal, which is what it will take.

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Here's an 3x Eastern Conference all-star's splits against the Eastern and against the Western conference teams:



The guy is one of the wet-dreams of Jazz fans(mine included) in this coming NBA FA...

(Locke mentioned it on a radio interview so I got curious about just how different the splits were)

I guessing it's Walker, and I'm not that eager to sign him to a max deal, which is what it will take.

IMO you are not getting anyone better than Kemba... so if you have the chance, you do it. Doesn't mean that he will be the messiah... but again - he will be better than anyone who would be willing to come to Utah... for max or not...

[SoCalJazzFan]

The 76ers really didn't give up too much to get Jimmy Butler, and given the tax implications of giving him a max, and Tobias and then Simmons, maybe they don't offer him a max or only a couple years of a max and he is there for the taking. Arguably, wouldn't he be the best player of Tobias, Middleton, Kemba, etc?

[Inigo Montoya]

The 76ers really didn't give up too much to get Jimmy Butler, and given the tax implications of giving him a max, and Tobias and then Simmons, maybe they don't offer him a max or only a couple years of a max and he is there for the taking. Arguably, wouldn't he be the best player of Tobias, Middleton, Kemba, etc?

Yes, Butler would be a great addition if we could get him. I think he'll fit very well and he gives us what we need on both sides of the floor. But somehow the Jazz are never a consideration for players at his level even if the Jazz might be an ideal situation for him.

[SoCalJazzFan]

For some reason this off-season is really slow for me. I'm not really hyped about anything Jazz-related. I don't have much of an urge to watch draft prospects or to think about scenarios to improve the team in FA. I think I'm resigned to just waiting and seeing what happens. I think I've lost a bit of the exuberance and excitement for this team. We know exactly what we are and the chance that we are something significantly different next year is not very high.

Yeah, I'm right there with you. Years of conservative way of doing things have taken their toll. By now we have a pretty good idea what kind of free agency it will be, and what tier this team is aiming at, and it's not the top one. I'm also not that excited about the free agents that are out there, for the most part (maybe Butler if it is at all possible to get him).

Middleton or Harris on max deals really don't do much for my interest. Mirotic too. I've cooled on Harris and Mirotic (was never that high on him to begin with) considerably, maybe because every time I see Harris he doesn't look that good. I probably like the idea or mold of a Harris-like player more than the player himself. I'm not excited about an overpriced, old, and injury-prone Conley. Not excited about rolling out a similar team again next season, not excited about the realistic options we have out there, and not excited about the 1st-2nd round ceiling this team has and will continue to have for the foreseeable future, not excited about this draft and where we're picking. It all starts to feel very 'meh' to me, sad to say.

I was getting meh towards the end of the season as the writing was on the wall of making the playoffs but either not advancing at all or past the 2nd round.

I am also not excited about the draft. The draft is pretty thin and I only expect the Jazz to draft a role player who probably won't play much next season.

However, I am excited to see what happens in free agency, even if the odds are not in our favor. The Jazz have a solid core and landing one of what we perceive to be the targets (several mentioned above) could get the Jazz to mid-50s wins and with KD leaving the GSW, CP3 digressing even further, and some shifting of top tier players around the league, the Jazz could find themselves in the top tier of teams (they were top 8 this past meh season- perhaps we are spoiled) with a shot of WCF. I don't think that DL has been sitting on is hands, and will be burning the phone lines up, but I hope that the Jazz are willing to take some chances if necessary (such as Jimmy Butler) to take advantage of the window of DM and Gobert's contracts.

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I too have cooled on this team, years of wasting assets have taken its toll and now we are looking at a treadmill team because of DL’s “patience”, if we don’t sign any one serious then we are relying on Exum or Allen to become near all stars. I am giving this team another year before I go cheer for Portland, their GM seems to have a pair and make smart moves.

I feel like his lack of patience may be what leads to the treadmill. We gave away 2 1st round picks in trades for Hill and Rubio and by this offseason we likely have nothing to show for it. To top it off both times when we traded for those guys we just absorbed them with capspace instead of just keeping the picks and going after a pg in free agency. In the Rubio case Thibs hated the guy and I guarantee we could have just gotten him with our capspace which allowed them to turn around and sign Teague. Obviously we don't know who the jazz would have taken with those picks but if we would have gotten the 2 guys that were actually taken in Prince and Okogie I think we would all be viewing this team quite a bit differently.

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[Inigo Montoya]

However, I am excited to see what happens in free agency, even if the odds are not in our favor. The Jazz have a solid core and landing one of what we perceive to be the targets (several mentioned above) could get the Jazz to mid-50s wins and with KD leaving the GSW, CP3 digressing even further, and some shifting of top tier players around the league, the Jazz could find themselves in the top tier of teams (they were top 8 this past meh season- perhaps we are spoiled) with a shot of WCF. I don't think that DL has been sitting on is hands, and will be burning the phone lines up, but I hope that the Jazz are willing to take some chances if necessary (such as Jimmy Butler) to take advantage of the window of DM and Gobert's contracts.

I don't think that staying at the same level and hoping other teams will get weaker is a viable option. Other teams will get stronger too. And one contender will be replaced with another, this is the way the league is. Leonard may go to the Clippers, for example. Dallas will have the Unicorn back and some cap space for a max contract--they are on the way up. The Lakers are likely to sign a big name. AD going to any other team in the west does the Jazz no good. I don't look at a one-off WCF appearance due to a lucky set of circumstances as a goal.

[KqWIN]

We’ll be on our knees begging to get a meeting with any of these guys. Not a signing, but a meeting. I’d put the over under at 0.5 meetings for ANY max free agent this summer.

[babyjax13]

Honestly I think I'd throw a max at Khris Middleton. We really just need one more player to be a championship caliber team, and Middleton does literally everything we need (Butler would be my preference, but Middleton is close). If Korver retires and we can move Dante for cap space, I think we can do it while also keeping Favors.

Gobert/Favors/Bradley
Favors/Green/Crowder
Ingles/Crowder
Middleton/???/Mitchell
Mitchell/???/Neto

IMO that team is scary, even scarier if Middleton is replaced with Butler.

[AingesBurner]

Listening to SLC punk they talked about trading for Conley at the draft and then going after Tobias, might cost us Ingles, Exum, Favors, and Korver but with a core of Conley-Mitchell-Tobias-Gobert we could sign some ring chasing vets.

[wco81]

How do you bail because your team can't go all the way?

Every year 29 teams won't make it. But many of them will play good basketball, even if they fall short.