Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers

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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#121 » by Crunch 99 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:17 pm

Markkanen hasn't had a a 20 point plus game since I posted he has established himself as a 20+ ppg scorer. :-? Did I post too soon? Last three games he's had 17,15 and 13 points. The Jazz are 9-0 when Markkanen scores 18 or more points and 1-6 when he scores 17 points or less.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#122 » by AingesBurner » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:44 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:Markkanen hasn't had a a 20 point plus game since I posted he has established himself as a 20+ ppg scorer. :-? Did I post too soon? Last three games he's had 17,15 and 13 points. The Jazz are 9-0 when Markkanen scores 18 or more points and 1-6 when he scores 17 points or less.


Part of his scoring issues are Conley and Clarkson; the duo is not scoring or making shots, and that takes space away from Lauri. Also, Clarkson looks like he has regressed to his 6th man ways.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#123 » by Jiipee84 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:08 pm

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Crunch 99 wrote:Markkanen hasn't had a a 20 point plus game since I posted he has established himself as a 20+ ppg scorer. :-? Did I post too soon? Last three games he's had 17,15 and 13 points. The Jazz are 9-0 when Markkanen scores 18 or more points and 1-6 when he scores 17 points or less.


Part of his scoring issues are Conley and Clarkson; the duo is not scoring or making shots, and that takes space away from Lauri. Also, Clarkson looks like he has regressed to his 6th man ways.


If Lauri has one infuriating and bad habit it is that he starts regressing too easily and stays outside of games and game situations.
That inconsistency is a real problem and if some will destroy Lauri's allstar game and MIP award dreams it is absolutely that.
Lauri will not achieve allstar level and won't win any NBA awards if his PPG stays 10-15 points range.
That's a sad and brutal fact which won't change if Lauri cannot figure out
those scoring slumps and issues freaking soon.

What a hell is going on with Markkanen in Eurobasket and first 13 NBA regular season games he plays like Giannis.
But now he's total trash and that started in Wizards game and still it is going on.

Is it truly so other NBA teams are guarding Lauri tightly or is it that
Conley and Clarkson have decided to become tanking commanders and now whole starting lineup
is a huge logjam with scoring issues and bench guys like Sexton, Horton-Tucker, Fontecchio and Beasley
have started carrying main responsibility of Jazz scoring.

What ever it is coach Hardy has a lot job to do with this roster and game plans.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#124 » by Jiipee84 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:13 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:Markkanen hasn't had a a 20 point plus game since I posted he has established himself as a 20+ ppg scorer. :-? Did I post too soon? Last three games he's had 17,15 and 13 points. The Jazz are 9-0 when Markkanen scores 18 or more points and 1-6 when he scores 17 points or less.


You hit the top of the nail bro.
Lauri was streaky post-up shooter in his Bulls years especially last those 2 years.
And now it looks truly so Lauri has once again going back the worst version of himself.
Goddamit how much i dislike inconsistent players ( No matter who it is ).
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#125 » by FranchisePlayer » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:14 pm

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Crunch 99 wrote:Markkanen hasn't had a a 20 point plus game since I posted he has established himself as a 20+ ppg scorer. :-? Did I post too soon? Last three games he's had 17,15 and 13 points. The Jazz are 9-0 when Markkanen scores 18 or more points and 1-6 when he scores 17 points or less.


Part of his scoring issues are Conley and Clarkson; the duo is not scoring or making shots, and that takes space away from Lauri. Also, Clarkson looks like he has regressed to his 6th man ways.


Word.

Clarkson doesn't have a clue. Seems like he got over excited from the few games he scored efficiently.

ATM he's content with just being a chucker.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#126 » by FranchisePlayer » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:29 pm

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Crunch 99 wrote:Markkanen hasn't had a a 20 point plus game since I posted he has established himself as a 20+ ppg scorer. :-? Did I post too soon? Last three games he's had 17,15 and 13 points. The Jazz are 9-0 when Markkanen scores 18 or more points and 1-6 when he scores 17 points or less.


You hit the top of the nail bro.
Lauri was streaky post-up shooter in his Bulls years especially last those 2 years.
And now it looks truly so Lauri has once again going back the worst version of himself.
Goddamit how much i dislike inconsistent players ( No matter who it is ).


You truly like to polish your image of being a blind Lauri hater, huh?

Since you're so keen to analyze stats (and obviously not watching the games), stats in the Knicks game:

Lauri FG% 45 2 AST 4 TO 2 +/- +16 (the best in the whole roster!)
Clarkson FG% 31.3 AST 5 TO 5 +/- +6
Sexton FG% 20 AST 4 TO 1 +/- -17
Olynyk scored handsomely yet left the game with 3 TO and +/- -7

It doesn't take a lot of wit to draw a conclusion from these stats that although Lauri didn't score as much as in the previous games the isn't THE reason the Jazz lost.

Save the effort and stop trying to frame Lauri with this false narrative that (only) he's regressing when actually the whole team isn't playing up to par.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#127 » by Axolotl » Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:32 am

Out of curiosity I looked at the numbers for Clarkson & Markkanen in wins and losses from basketball reference.

On average, if Clarkson has taken more shots than Markkanen, Jazz has lost; and if Clarkson has shot more, Markkanen has shot less.

In wins, Clarkson has taken 14 shots with 44,6% accuracy and Markkanen 16,2 shots with 43,7% accuracy.
In losses Clarkson has taken 18 shots with 34,3% accuracy and Markkanen 13,6 shots with 43% accuracy.

8/10 wins have Markkanen taking 15 or more shots, 6/10 have Clarkson taking 15 or more shots. 5/6 losses have Markkanen taking 14 or less shots - and have Clarkson take 14 or more shots.

If you arrange the games played this season by the number of Markkanen's field goals, the top eight are wins. If you arrange them by Clarkson's field goals, 2/5 of Clarkson's top field goal games are losses.

Arranging the games by shot attempts in descending order, 8/10 of Markkanen's list is wins (with one of the losses being the Houston game, where he shot just 37%). The corresponding list for Clarkson is 6/10, with the game where he took his most shot attempts so far in the season being a loss.

On Clarkson's list the wins and losses are pretty evenly distributed regardless of how much he shoots. On Markkanen's list, the less he shoots, the more likely the game is a loss.

I think this is why Clarkson, as entertaining as he is, has not been a starter: he may well lose you the game.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#128 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:10 pm

It was only four games ago that Markkanen had a 32 point game. The last three games, all losses, where Markkanen still shot the ball well, but only got 12.7 fga/game while Clarkson got 16.3 fga/game, probably resulted from a combination of three things --- Clarkson, Beasley and other Jazz team members looking to shoot the ball more, opposing teams dialing in their game plans to deny Markkanen opportunities and possibly Markkanen not being quite as aggressive.

Hopefully this recent condition where Clarkson has become the Jazz season leader in fga/game over Markkanen doesn't persist.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#129 » by vryadli » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:41 pm

Axolotl wrote:Out of curiosity I looked at the numbers for Clarkson & Markkanen in wins and losses from basketball reference.


Crunch 99 wrote:It was only four games ago that Markkanen had a 32 point game. The last three games, all losses, where Markkanen still shot the ball well, but only got 12.7 fga/game while Clarkson got 16.3 fga/game, probably resulted from a combination of three things --- Clarkson, Beasley and other Jazz team members looking to shoot the ball more, opposing teams dialing in their game plans to deny Markkanen opportunities and possibly Markkanen not being quite as aggressive.

Hopefully this recent condition where Clarkson has become the Jazz season leader in fga/game over Markkanen doesn't persist.



It comes as absolutely no surprise. Like autumn comes after summer. Now things become really interesting: what new coach will do about that? If exactly what old coach did, then team oriented players will be sufficiently confused and disheartened and we will have to wait for another 10-20 years for really competitive NBA team in Utah...

I'm afraid that for first five years it will be difficult to compete with experienced tanking teams like Lakers and Rockets, But whatever.
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Post#130 » by edededtut » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:52 pm

It’s not just the ballhandlers ignoring Lauri, he has been quite passive lately, looking a bit tired maybe. Most of his success in half court offense has been a result of movement off the ball. In the second half against the Knicks he was just standing at the perimeter.

When Clarkson goes one on one Lauri should cut to the basket.

Hopefully two off days help.
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Post#131 » by Axolotl » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:01 am

Wow... Just wow...

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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#132 » by Inigo Montoya » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:26 am

Interesting stat about Markkanen's importance to the Jazz:

In the process, the Jazz actually improved to 9-0 on the season in games where Lauri Markkanen made at least 20 points. In their six losses so far, Markkanen has failed to breach the 20-point mark and averaged just 15 points per contest.
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Post#134 » by Jiipee84 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:28 pm

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Post#135 » by FranchisePlayer » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:28 pm

Markkanen has in short time become a genuine franchise player for the Jazz. He's maturing before our eyes and early predictions of him becoming the next Dirk seem pretty accurate as we speak.

Put Clarkson and everyone else on the leach when we're trailing and give the ball to Markkanen. Even if he's not making the bucket he causes the D some serious troubles.

Btw, huge props to Conley! His bb IQ is very high when it comes to moving the ball and giving decisive pass. Just a gut feeling that Markkanen has really benefited from having a guard who's constantly trying to find him. Finally!
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#137 » by reapaman » Sun Nov 20, 2022 3:41 am

I would love for it to work out with Lauri and I won’t comment on his “growth” as a player, but the Jazz would be massive idiots to put any hope into a player whose played 5 injury plagued seasons of 68/52/50/51/61 games played.

Send him on the first thing smoking while his value is high before he gets seriously injured and has no value.
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Post#138 » by ForeverRDjazz » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:07 am

reapaman wrote:I would love for it to work out with Lauri and I won’t comment on his “growth” as a player, but the Jazz would be massive idiots to put any hope into a player whose played 5 injury plagued seasons of 68/52/50/51/61 games played.

Send him on the first thing smoking while his value is high before he gets seriously injured and has no value.

Same thing could've been said with Curry his first years in the league with his ankle. Multiple rings later I'm betting they're glad they keep him. Not giving up on him yet.
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Post#139 » by Daddy 801 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:33 am

I wouldn’t trade Lauri unless the offer was absurd. Maybe a huge draft day trade where Ainge grabs someone he is convinced is a superstar.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#140 » by reapaman » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:38 am

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reapaman wrote:I would love for it to work out with Lauri and I won’t comment on his “growth” as a player, but the Jazz would be massive idiots to put any hope into a player whose played 5 injury plagued seasons of 68/52/50/51/61 games played.

Send him on the first thing smoking while his value is high before he gets seriously injured and has no value.

Same thing could've been said with Curry his first years in the league with his ankle. Multiple rings later I'm betting they're glad they keep him. Not giving up on him yet.

Curry’s ankle issues lasted 3 season and he was fixed after that (even then he didn’t miss no where near as many games as Lauri).

Lauri has missed a lot of games in all 5 seasons (5!) due to the back, ankles, shoulders, calf, quadriceps, hip and even a couple injuries that no one knew what was wrong with him. Hard to fix a guy who hurts almost everything. Not even close to an equal comparison.
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