The Official 2025 NBA Draft Prospects Thread

babyjax13 · Post #121 » by **babyjax13** » Mon May 12, 2025 10:58 pm

Fleming just measured out with a 9-1 standing reach, haven't seen wingspan yet. But that bodes well for him playing center where I like him quite a bit more.

Catchall · Post #122 » by **Catchall** » Tue May 13, 2025 3:47 am

Get ready for Tre Johnson at #5.

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Catchall · Post #123 » by **Catchall** » Tue May 13, 2025 3:48 am

babyjax13 wrote:Fleming just measured out with a 9-1 standing reach, haven't seen wingspan yet. But that bodes well for him playing center where I like him quite a bit more.

His height and standing reach are within a half-inch of Derrick Favors. He's a 4/5.

babyjax13 · Post #124 » by **babyjax13** » Tue May 13, 2025 3:54 am

Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Fleming just measured out with a 9-1 standing reach, haven't seen wingspan yet. But that bodes well for him playing center where I like him quite a bit more.

His height and standing reach are within a half-inch of Derrick Favors. He's a 4/5.

I think he's just a 5, tbh, but could be wrong. But yes, being that size is - I think - very good for his draft stock. Now he looks like a pretty switchable center, before he looked like a slightly slow-footed (laterally) power forward if he didn't measure well.

Catchall · Post #125 » by **Catchall** » Tue May 13, 2025 4:01 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Fleming just measured out with a 9-1 standing reach, haven't seen wingspan yet. But that bodes well for him playing center where I like him quite a bit more.

His height and standing reach are within a half-inch of Derrick Favors. He's a 4/5.

I think he's just a 5, tbh, but could be wrong. But yes, being that size is - I think - very good for his draft stock. Now he looks like a pretty switchable center, before he looked like a slightly slow-footed (laterally) power forward if he didn't measure well.

His length does put him roughly in the same category as Favors or Jalen Duren, and separates him from his previous comp of Markieff Morris. I'd view him as probably the most promising stretch-5 in the draft.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #126 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Tue May 13, 2025 5:34 pm

I think that he could be better than Hendricks and Filipowski.

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SoCalJazzFan · Post #127 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Tue May 13, 2025 5:36 pm

Prediction:

I'm still in a dour mood from last night, so this might be affecting this opinion, but I predict that Ace falls to us at #5, Jazz fans rejoice, and then 3 years later realize he was way overrated.

Post #128 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue May 13, 2025 5:39 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Prediction:

I'm still in a dour mood from last night, so this might be affecting this opinion, but I predict that Ace falls to us at #5, Jazz fans rejoice, and then 3 years later realize he was way overrated.

I think if the Spurs keep their pick he goes #2. Can you imagine a front line of Wemby and Bailey? It's pretty nuts, and they complement each other quite well imho.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #129 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Tue May 13, 2025 6:07 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Prediction:

I'm still in a dour mood from last night, so this might be affecting this opinion, but I predict that Ace falls to us at #5, Jazz fans rejoice, and then 3 years later realize he was way overrated.

I think if the Spurs keep their pick he goes #2. Can you imagine a front line of Wemby and Bailey? It's pretty nuts, and they complement each other quite well imho.

Since the Spurs already have Fox and Castle, if they can't trade for Giannis, it opens the door for the Jazz to trade up and get Dylan Harper. Any of Ace, VJ and Tre would fit into the Spurs starting lineup.

bkohler · Post #130 » by **bkohler** » Thu May 15, 2025 2:43 pm

The more Locke loves Tre the less I’m sold on him.

Post #131 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 15, 2025 2:50 pm

bkohler wrote:The more Locke loves Tre the less I’m sold on him.

I can understand the reservations, which I also share, but this is an upside play and of the top-5 VJ has the least star potential imho. So If the Jazz can't get Flagg or Harper, I'd much rather they go for Bailey or Johnson if one of them is still on the board at 5.

Catchall · Post #132 » by **Catchall** » Thu May 15, 2025 4:38 pm

I think Tre is the leader in the clubhouse. However, if Tre and VJ are gone, I think Ace v. Noa Essengue may become a fair debate.

HadAnEffectHere · Post #133 » by **HadAnEffectHere** » Thu May 15, 2025 5:24 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
bkohler wrote:The more Locke loves Tre the less I’m sold on him.

I can understand the reservations, which I also share, but this is an upside play and of the top-5 VJ has the least star potential imho. So If the Jazz can't get Flagg or Harper, I'd much rather they go for Bailey or Johnson if one of them is still on the board at 5.

None of these guys have star potential. It's just a different flavor of role player.

babyjax13 · Post #134 » by **babyjax13** » Thu May 15, 2025 5:52 pm

I've had Tre 3rd almost all year. I agree with Locke, he isn't getting to 5, unfortunately. His combine measurements make that even less likely.

Broadly, I also agree with HadAnEffect if we are defining 'star' as "best player on a contender." That's probably Flagg's potential, and Harper has some outside potential to get there but I don't think realistically that is his ceiling. But if we are a bit looser and it is "second best player on a contender" --- I'd probably put Tre in that group (as his hypothetical ceiling). Of course, many drafts have players who are just better than we thought or have outlier development curves ... so someone will surprise. If I had to search for outlier development I'd be looking at guys with really good work ethics and/or that have shown skill acquisition at a fast pace. VJ developed a ton last summer in international play, and Tre/Flagg have long-running reputations for work ethic. There will be someone deeper, too (Drake Powell's physical tools are really interesting at 21), but there are, IMO, a lot of reasons to bet on Tre.

Post #135 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 15, 2025 8:00 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
bkohler wrote:The more Locke loves Tre the less I’m sold on him.

I can understand the reservations, which I also share, but this is an upside play and of the top-5 VJ has the least star potential imho. So If the Jazz can't get Flagg or Harper, I'd much rather they go for Bailey or Johnson if one of them is still on the board at 5.

None of these guys have star potential. It's just a different flavor of role player.

Possible. Who would you say has higher upside, or are their ceilings the same, even if they don't have star potential?

Assuming Flagg, Harper and Bailey are off the board, who has the highest upside in the draft?

bkohler · Post #136 » by **bkohler** » Thu May 15, 2025 8:55 pm

I frankly don't have much of a gap between Tre and VJ. There measurements were very similar, obviously Tre is a much better shooter but VJ has a much better defensive profile. I also put a lot of stock into VJ's play during olympic qualifiers when he was the best player on his team with a bunch of NBA players. I get why you might like Tre more or like VJ more but I wouldn't be upset with either.

bkohler · Post #137 » by **bkohler** » Thu May 15, 2025 8:59 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
bkohler wrote:The more Locke loves Tre the less I’m sold on him.

I can understand the reservations, which I also share, but this is an upside play and of the top-5 VJ has the least star potential imho. So If the Jazz can't get Flagg or Harper, I'd much rather they go for Bailey or Johnson if one of them is still on the board at 5.

Curious why you feel VJ has the least upside? I'm not arguing, just curious. I had VJ lower because I assumed he was really 6'2, the fact that he's a half inch shorter than I'm most afraid of Bailey, especially when he's just 2 inches taller than Tre and VJ. I think his floor is the lowest of the top 5 personally.

Post #138 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 15, 2025 9:10 pm

bkohler wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
bkohler wrote:The more Locke loves Tre the less I’m sold on him.

I can understand the reservations, which I also share, but this is an upside play and of the top-5 VJ has the least star potential imho. So If the Jazz can't get Flagg or Harper, I'd much rather they go for Bailey or Johnson if one of them is still on the board at 5.

Curious why you feel VJ has the least upside? I'm not arguing, just curious. I had VJ lower because I assumed he was really 6'2, the fact that he's a half inch shorter than I'm most afraid of Bailey, especially when he's just 2 inches taller than Tre and VJ. I think his floor is the lowest of the top 5 personally.

Because he's kind of a tweener with no clear position and no great size. He's not really a PG and he's not a great scorer either. He reminds me of Gary Harris.

babyjax13 · Post #139 » by **babyjax13** » Fri May 16, 2025 1:24 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
bkohler wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:I can understand the reservations, which I also share, but this is an upside play and of the top-5 VJ has the least star potential imho. So If the Jazz can't get Flagg or Harper, I'd much rather they go for Bailey or Johnson if one of them is still on the board at 5.

Curious why you feel VJ has the least upside? I'm not arguing, just curious. I had VJ lower because I assumed he was really 6'2, the fact that he's a half inch shorter than I'm most afraid of Bailey, especially when he's just 2 inches taller than Tre and VJ. I think his floor is the lowest of the top 5 personally.

Because he's kind of a tweener with no clear position and no great size. He's not really a PG and he's not a great scorer either. He reminds me of Gary Harris.

I don't think he is a tweener. He measured 6-4 with a 6-7.5 wingspan. That size is okay for shooting guard, he's not particularly undersized.

bkohler · Post #140 » by **bkohler** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:20 am

The more I look into both Tre and VJ the more I see flaws that scare me. Tres lack of FTs and crappy rim finishing and bad defense, VJs shaky shot makes me wonder if there’s really that big of a gap between them and the players picked 7-10. Maybe trading down would make some sense?