Future Free Agent Thread

[Calhamid94]

Another dream/Championship contender imo

Randle, Portis, Satoransky and Bryant!

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I really hope I'm reading too much into this, but... Enjoy Mitchell while he's here. It might not last long. Kemba "going home" to the Knicks. Re-drafting himself to the Lakers...

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In my dream world we can do the Rubio trade so we can have the MLE. Then we waive Neto. Then we waive or trade Favs for space. That gives us close to 20 million for the space Favs and Neto cleared and we offer Bojan a 3/60 deal that’s really 3/54 with incentives. Then we sign Rudy Gay with the MLE. Then we use all our other money to sign the best backup big man we can.

Ingles, Bojan, and Rudy Gay could easily fill up all the PF mins plus a ton of wing mins with the the some of the best 3 point shooters in the league. Hell, I’d trade Exum in a heartbeat to make this happen.

Conley, Donovan, Royce, Ingles, Bojan, Gay, Gobert....with one decent backup bigman is a championship caliber team.

This is not how it works, I don't think. You cannot both have capspace and have the full MLE. The moment you drop under the cap your full MLE is gone. You can use the MLE only if you structure all the free agency signings as SnTs that keep you over the cap.

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Danny Green: 'This is the time where I need to maximize the dollars on the longest amount of years that I can do'

[Daddy 801]

In my dream world we can do the Rubio trade so we can have the MLE. Then we waive Neto. Then we waive or trade Favs for space. That gives us close to 20 million for the space Favs and Neto cleared and we offer Bojan a 3/60 deal that’s really 3/54 with incentives. Then we sign Rudy Gay with the MLE. Then we use all our other money to sign the best backup big man we can.

Ingles, Bojan, and Rudy Gay could easily fill up all the PF mins plus a ton of wing mins with the the some of the best 3 point shooters in the league. Hell, I’d trade Exum in a heartbeat to make this happen.

Conley, Donovan, Royce, Ingles, Bojan, Gay, Gobert....with one decent backup bigman is a championship caliber team.

This is not how it works, I don't think. You cannot both have capspace and have the full MLE. The moment you drop under the cap your full MLE is gone. You can use the MLE only if you structure all the free agency signings as SnTs that keep you over the cap.

Well that would blow.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't remember who said it when we did the Conley trade, I think it might have been sipclip... but he will turn out right - by the time FA is done we will be where we started - in the 4-5 range in the West.

We're not going to even make the WCF. What's likely to happen is that the rest of the teams who have yet to make their moves, will make them during the draft and free agency, and get better. In the end, we'll still end up as the 4-5 seed again, and will again have a 1st-2nd round exit.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=76459599#p76459599

The draft and free agency haven't even started yet, while we made most of our moves. Now it's the rest of the league's time to get better. By the time it's all over, the Jazz will likely be at the same position they were in the past 2-3 seasons.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=76464114#p76464114

[AingesBurner]

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I really hope I'm reading too much into this, but... Enjoy Mitchell while he's here. It might not last long. Kemba "going home" to the Knicks. Re-drafting himself to the Lakers...

I think you’re reading into it.

[KqWIN]

In my dream world we can do the Rubio trade so we can have the MLE. Then we waive Neto. Then we waive or trade Favs for space. That gives us close to 20 million for the space Favs and Neto cleared and we offer Bojan a 3/60 deal that’s really 3/54 with incentives. Then we sign Rudy Gay with the MLE. Then we use all our other money to sign the best backup big man we can.

Ingles, Bojan, and Rudy Gay could easily fill up all the PF mins plus a ton of wing mins with the the some of the best 3 point shooters in the league. Hell, I’d trade Exum in a heartbeat to make this happen.

Conley, Donovan, Royce, Ingles, Bojan, Gay, Gobert....with one decent backup bigman is a championship caliber team.

This is not how it works, I don't think. You cannot both have capspace and have the full MLE. The moment you drop under the cap your full MLE is gone. You can use the MLE only if you structure all the free agency signings as SnTs that keep you over the cap.

This is correct. Gotta keep Favs if you want to do the Rubio maneuver. In terms of opportunity cost, it makes Favors an ~$8.2 M dollar player and makes you go from room exception ($4.7) to BAE ($3.6).

This is the best plan by far IMO. Keep Favors and Neto while also nailing down 2-3 reliable rotation players with the exceptions. Resign Thabo to the min and suddenly you've got decent depth.

1. Gobert
2. Favors
3. Niang
4. Thabo
5. Ingles
6. O'Neale
7. Mitchell
8. Exum
9. Conley
10. Neto
11. MLE
12. BAE

13. Tony Bradley
14. 2nd rounder/Min
15. 2nd rounder/Min

[Daddy 801]

In my dream world we can do the Rubio trade so we can have the MLE. Then we waive Neto. Then we waive or trade Favs for space. That gives us close to 20 million for the space Favs and Neto cleared and we offer Bojan a 3/60 deal that’s really 3/54 with incentives. Then we sign Rudy Gay with the MLE. Then we use all our other money to sign the best backup big man we can.

Ingles, Bojan, and Rudy Gay could easily fill up all the PF mins plus a ton of wing mins with the the some of the best 3 point shooters in the league. Hell, I’d trade Exum in a heartbeat to make this happen.

Conley, Donovan, Royce, Ingles, Bojan, Gay, Gobert....with one decent backup bigman is a championship caliber team.

This is not how it works, I don't think. You cannot both have capspace and have the full MLE. The moment you drop under the cap your full MLE is gone. You can use the MLE only if you structure all the free agency signings as SnTs that keep you over the cap.

This is correct. Gotta keep Favs if you want to do the Rubio maneuver. In terms of opportunity cost, it makes Favors an ~$8.2 M dollar player and makes you go from room exception ($4.7) to BAE ($3.6).

This is the best plan by far IMO. Keep Favors and Neto while also nailing down 2-3 reliable rotation players with the exceptions. Resign Thabo to the min and suddenly you've got decent depth.

1. Gobert
2. Favors
3. Niang
4. Thabo
5. Ingles
6. O'Neale
7. Mitchell
8. Exum
9. Conley
10. Neto
11. MLE
12. BAE

13. Tony Bradley
14. 2nd rounder/Min
15. 2nd rounder/Min

If that’s the case what I’m hearing is keeping Favs, do the Rubio thing, and then moving Favs at the trade deadline is the best way to get another player that is in the 20-32 million dollar range IF there is a player we want.

Would you agree with that?

Not saying this is my dream scenario but if the Jazz like the idea of Love they wait until the trade deadline and move Favs, Exum, & asset for Love. Is that possible?

[KqWIN]

This is not how it works, I don't think. You cannot both have capspace and have the full MLE. The moment you drop under the cap your full MLE is gone. You can use the MLE only if you structure all the free agency signings as SnTs that keep you over the cap.

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This is correct. Gotta keep Favs if you want to do the Rubio maneuver. In terms of opportunity cost, it makes Favors an ~$8.2 M dollar player and makes you go from room exception ($4.7) to BAE ($3.6).

This is the best plan by far IMO. Keep Favors and Neto while also nailing down 2-3 reliable rotation players with the exceptions. Resign Thabo to the min and suddenly you've got decent depth.

1. Gobert
2. Favors
3. Niang
4. Thabo
5. Ingles
6. O'Neale
7. Mitchell
8. Exum
9. Conley
10. Neto
11. MLE
12. BAE

13. Tony Bradley
14. 2nd rounder/Min
15. 2nd rounder/Min

If that’s the case what I’m hearing is keeping Favs, do the Rubio thing, and then moving Favs at the trade deadline is the best way to get another player that is in the 20-32 million dollar range IF there is a player we want.

Would you agree with that?

Not saying this is my dream scenario but if the Jazz like the idea of Love they wait until the trade deadline and move Favs, Exum, & asset for Love. Is that possible?

Yes, potentially. Keeping Favors at his high salary definitely makes a trade more possible down the line for a high salary player. When you're operating as an over the cap team, which the Rubio thing would do, it's best to have a higher team salary. I really hope we can pull this off. We get to keep Favors at a reasonable opportunity cost while still being able to fill out the team. We also get to keep Favors the asset which could come in handy later on.

[Daddy 801]

Spoiler:

This is correct. Gotta keep Favs if you want to do the Rubio maneuver. In terms of opportunity cost, it makes Favors an ~$8.2 M dollar player and makes you go from room exception ($4.7) to BAE ($3.6).

This is the best plan by far IMO. Keep Favors and Neto while also nailing down 2-3 reliable rotation players with the exceptions. Resign Thabo to the min and suddenly you've got decent depth.

1. Gobert
2. Favors
3. Niang
4. Thabo
5. Ingles
6. O'Neale
7. Mitchell
8. Exum
9. Conley
10. Neto
11. MLE
12. BAE

13. Tony Bradley
14. 2nd rounder/Min
15. 2nd rounder/Min

If that’s the case what I’m hearing is keeping Favs, do the Rubio thing, and then moving Favs at the trade deadline is the best way to get another player that is in the 20-32 million dollar range IF there is a player we want.

Would you agree with that?

Not saying this is my dream scenario but if the Jazz like the idea of Love they wait until the trade deadline and move Favs, Exum, & asset for Love. Is that possible?

Yes, potentially. Keeping Favors at his high salary definitely makes a trade more possible down the line for a high salary player. When you're operating as an over the cap team, which the Rubio thing would do, it's best to have a higher team salary. I really hope we can pull this off. We get to keep Favors at a reasonable opportunity cost while still being able to fill out the team. We also get to keep Favors the asset which could come in handy later on.

That means my bipolar Favs love is back on. We’re keeping Favs!!!

[CAE15]

Has anyone actually confirmed we can do this Rubio thing? Anyone posed it to any of the Twitter cap specialists?

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[KqWIN]

Has anyone actually confirmed we can do this Rubio thing? Anyone posed it to any of the Twitter cap specialists?

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It wasn't us, but on Nate Duncan's Mock Off-Season the Lakers pulled off this maneuver by doing a S&T with Alex Caruso. I'm confident it's legal, we just have to incentivize Rubio's new team to play ball.

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I don't remember who said it when we did the Conley trade, I think it might have been sipclip... but he will turn out right - by the time FA is done we will be where we started - in the 4-5 range in the West.

Yep. When it is all said and done we may not even be in that 4-5 range. I didn't even have the warriors listed when I said that but I wouldn't put it past them to pull something off. This is how I could see it shaking out.

1.Nugs- made huge strides last year and they are young as hell. Jokic proved in the playoffs that he is a top 5 player in the nba and I look for Murray to take that next step to becoming an all star caliber guard this year. Those 2 alone makes them extremely formidable then they have a ton of other solid young roleplayers to compliment them.
2.Lakers- Lebron and Davis is the best duo in the nba without a doubt add another star and they are definitely in that top 2 in the west conversation.
3. Blazers- so damn impressed with Olsheys ability to add talent to a cap strapped team. Kanter was solid for them but bringing back Nurkic is a massive upgrade. He is just as good offensively while being one of the best defensive bigs in the nba. Trading Turner for Bazemore is a huge upgrade for them. He fits in extremely well with Lillard and McCollum and I think he ends up being their starting sf. I'm not sure if they bring back Aminu but I think Zach Collins is ready to step up and play a huge role for them on both ends of the court. Then of course there is my favorite young player Anfernee Simons. I think he steps up to be a solid bench scorer for them. There overall depth is very impressive with a mix of vets and young players.
4. The rockets look to be in chaos but they are still a damn good team and they have the most dominant scorer in the league that can carry a team. Their big 3 is still better than our big in my opinion because Harden is so damn dominant. Not sure how Butler works if they are able to make that happen.
5.Clippers- This is a clear reach right now but I really like their young talent and they have 2 really good vets in Gallo and Williams. With all there caproom I expect them to be significantly improved. If they are able to add Kawhi I would put them right there at the top of west. If not then I think they probably end up in that 6-8 range depending on who they are able to add.
6. Mavs- Doncic is a legit superstar in my opinion. Add a healthy Porzingis and they are scary. Those 2 have the highest upside of any duo in the league. They have the capspace to round out the roster as well.

I'm sure you all get the point. That isn't even mentioning the warriors, thunder and spurs who all have the potential to be pretty damn good. I'm interested to see how Dejounte Murray looks coming back from a torn acl because he was 1st team all nba defense 2 years ago and pairing him with Derrick White might be the best defensive backcourt in the nba. Those are 9 teams right there with legitimate playoff talent. The local radio guys had a field day with an article that had the jazz as a possible 7 seed next year but it is a very really possibility. Especially if we have any injury issues.

My wild card team is the kings though. I love the trio of Hield, Fox and Bagley. They also have a couple solid role players in Bogdonovic and Bjelica to compliment them. With about 65mil in capspace I'm interested to see how they round out the roster.

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Then of course there is my favorite young player Anfernee Simons. I think he steps up to be a solid bench scorer for them. There overall depth is very impressive with a mix of vets and young players.

I was listening to Ryen Russillo on a podcast somewhere... I don't remember where and he said his sources from Portland are telling him Anfernee Simons is doing wild stuff in practice. It seems like Portland legit think he can be all-NBA player when it's said and done. He said the same guy that told him about Simons' development is the guy that told him about McCollum before he blew up. This is one that will continue to sting if this turns out to be right...

[KqWIN]

I don't remember who said it when we did the Conley trade, I think it might have been sipclip... but he will turn out right - by the time FA is done we will be where we started - in the 4-5 range in the West.

Yep. When it is all said and done we may not even be in that 4-5 range. I didn't even have the warriors listed when I said that but I wouldn't put it past them to pull something off. This is how I could see it shaking out.

1.Nugs- made huge strides last year and they are young as hell. Jokic proved in the playoffs that he is a top 5 player in the nba and I look for Murray to take that next step to becoming an all star caliber guard this year. Those 2 alone makes them extremely formidable then they have a ton of other solid young roleplayers to compliment them.
2.Lakers- Lebron and Davis is the best duo in the nba without a doubt add another star and they are definitely in that top 2 in the west conversation.
3. Blazers- so damn impressed with Olsheys ability to add talent to a cap strapped team. Kanter was solid for them but bringing back Nurkic is a massive upgrade. He is just as good offensively while being one of the best defensive bigs in the nba. Trading Turner for Bazemore is a huge upgrade for them. He fits in extremely well with Lillard and McCollum and I think he ends up being their starting sf. I'm not sure if they bring back Aminu but I think Zach Collins is ready to step up and play a huge role for them on both ends of the court. Then of course there is my favorite young player Anfernee Simons. I think he steps up to be a solid bench scorer for them. There overall depth is very impressive with a mix of vets and young players.
4. The rockets look to be in chaos but they are still a damn good team and they have the most dominant scorer in the league that can carry a team. Their big 3 is still better than our big in my opinion because Harden is so damn dominant. Not sure how Butler works if they are able to make that happen.
5.Clippers- This is a clear reach right now but I really like their young talent and they have 2 really good vets in Gallo and Williams. With all there caproom I expect them to be significantly improved. If they are able to add Kawhi I would put them right there at the top of west. If not then I think they probably end up in that 6-8 range depending on who they are able to add.
6. Mavs- Doncic is a legit superstar in my opinion. Add a healthy Porzingis and they are scary. Those 2 have the highest upside of any duo in the league. They have the capspace to round out the roster as well.

I'm sure you all get the point. That isn't even mentioning the warriors, thunder and spurs who all have the potential to be pretty damn good. I'm interested to see how Dejounte Murray looks coming back from a torn acl because he was 1st team all nba defense 2 years ago and pairing him with Derrick White might be the best defensive backcourt in the nba. Those are 9 teams right there with legitimate playoff talent. The local radio guys had a field day with an article that had the jazz as a possible 7 seed next year but it is a very really possibility. Especially if we have any injury issues.

My wild card team is the kings though. I love the trio of Hield, Fox and Bagley. They also have a couple solid role players in Bogdonovic and Bjelica to compliment them. With about 65mil in capspace I'm interested to see how they round out the roster.

And despite all of this, the Jazz are much closer to the top. Seeding doesn't really matter to me. Last year it would have been much more beneficial had we lost more games anyways. We had multiple teams trying to lose on purpose by the end of the year when it got really tight. What matters to me is how likely it is to get to finals, and unless Kawhi joins the Lakers, I don't see a team we can't beat. Even if Kawhi joins the Lakers, they won't be the team that the Warriors were.

[sipclip]

I don't remember who said it when we did the Conley trade, I think it might have been sipclip... but he will turn out right - by the time FA is done we will be where we started - in the 4-5 range in the West.

Yep. When it is all said and done we may not even be in that 4-5 range. I didn't even have the warriors listed when I said that but I wouldn't put it past them to pull something off. This is how I could see it shaking out.

1.Nugs- made huge strides last year and they are young as hell. Jokic proved in the playoffs that he is a top 5 player in the nba and I look for Murray to take that next step to becoming an all star caliber guard this year. Those 2 alone makes them extremely formidable then they have a ton of other solid young roleplayers to compliment them.
2.Lakers- Lebron and Davis is the best duo in the nba without a doubt add another star and they are definitely in that top 2 in the west conversation.
3. Blazers- so damn impressed with Olsheys ability to add talent to a cap strapped team. Kanter was solid for them but bringing back Nurkic is a massive upgrade. He is just as good offensively while being one of the best defensive bigs in the nba. Trading Turner for Bazemore is a huge upgrade for them. He fits in extremely well with Lillard and McCollum and I think he ends up being their starting sf. I'm not sure if they bring back Aminu but I think Zach Collins is ready to step up and play a huge role for them on both ends of the court. Then of course there is my favorite young player Anfernee Simons. I think he steps up to be a solid bench scorer for them. There overall depth is very impressive with a mix of vets and young players.
4. The rockets look to be in chaos but they are still a damn good team and they have the most dominant scorer in the league that can carry a team. Their big 3 is still better than our big in my opinion because Harden is so damn dominant. Not sure how Butler works if they are able to make that happen.
5.Clippers- This is a clear reach right now but I really like their young talent and they have 2 really good vets in Gallo and Williams. With all there caproom I expect them to be significantly improved. If they are able to add Kawhi I would put them right there at the top of west. If not then I think they probably end up in that 6-8 range depending on who they are able to add.
6. Mavs- Doncic is a legit superstar in my opinion. Add a healthy Porzingis and they are scary. Those 2 have the highest upside of any duo in the league. They have the capspace to round out the roster as well.

I'm sure you all get the point. That isn't even mentioning the warriors, thunder and spurs who all have the potential to be pretty damn good. I'm interested to see how Dejounte Murray looks coming back from a torn acl because he was 1st team all nba defense 2 years ago and pairing him with Derrick White might be the best defensive backcourt in the nba. Those are 9 teams right there with legitimate playoff talent. The local radio guys had a field day with an article that had the jazz as a possible 7 seed next year but it is a very really possibility. Especially if we have any injury issues.

My wild card team is the kings though. I love the trio of Hield, Fox and Bagley. They also have a couple solid role players in Bogdonovic and Bjelica to compliment them. With about 65mil in capspace I'm interested to see how they round out the roster.

And despite all of this, the Jazz are much closer to the top. Seeding doesn't really matter to me. Last year it would have been much more beneficial had we lost more games anyways. We had multiple teams trying to lose on purpose by the end of the year when it got really tight. What matters to me is how likely it is to get to finals, and unless Kawhi joins the Lakers, I don't see a team we can't beat. Even if Kawhi joins the Lakers, they won't be the team that the Warriors were.

I'm not sure how you come away from that thinking they are closer to the top. I have them closer to the bottom.

[KqWIN]

Spoiler:

Yep. When it is all said and done we may not even be in that 4-5 range. I didn't even have the warriors listed when I said that but I wouldn't put it past them to pull something off. This is how I could see it shaking out.

1.Nugs- made huge strides last year and they are young as hell. Jokic proved in the playoffs that he is a top 5 player in the nba and I look for Murray to take that next step to becoming an all star caliber guard this year. Those 2 alone makes them extremely formidable then they have a ton of other solid young roleplayers to compliment them.
2.Lakers- Lebron and Davis is the best duo in the nba without a doubt add another star and they are definitely in that top 2 in the west conversation.
3. Blazers- so damn impressed with Olsheys ability to add talent to a cap strapped team. Kanter was solid for them but bringing back Nurkic is a massive upgrade. He is just as good offensively while being one of the best defensive bigs in the nba. Trading Turner for Bazemore is a huge upgrade for them. He fits in extremely well with Lillard and McCollum and I think he ends up being their starting sf. I'm not sure if they bring back Aminu but I think Zach Collins is ready to step up and play a huge role for them on both ends of the court. Then of course there is my favorite young player Anfernee Simons. I think he steps up to be a solid bench scorer for them. There overall depth is very impressive with a mix of vets and young players.
4. The rockets look to be in chaos but they are still a damn good team and they have the most dominant scorer in the league that can carry a team. Their big 3 is still better than our big in my opinion because Harden is so damn dominant. Not sure how Butler works if they are able to make that happen.
5.Clippers- This is a clear reach right now but I really like their young talent and they have 2 really good vets in Gallo and Williams. With all there caproom I expect them to be significantly improved. If they are able to add Kawhi I would put them right there at the top of west. If not then I think they probably end up in that 6-8 range depending on who they are able to add.
6. Mavs- Doncic is a legit superstar in my opinion. Add a healthy Porzingis and they are scary. Those 2 have the highest upside of any duo in the league. They have the capspace to round out the roster as well.

I'm sure you all get the point. That isn't even mentioning the warriors, thunder and spurs who all have the potential to be pretty damn good. I'm interested to see how Dejounte Murray looks coming back from a torn acl because he was 1st team all nba defense 2 years ago and pairing him with Derrick White might be the best defensive backcourt in the nba. Those are 9 teams right there with legitimate playoff talent. The local radio guys had a field day with an article that had the jazz as a possible 7 seed next year but it is a very really possibility. Especially if we have any injury issues.

My wild card team is the kings though. I love the trio of Hield, Fox and Bagley. They also have a couple solid role players in Bogdonovic and Bjelica to compliment them. With about 65mil in capspace I'm interested to see how they round out the roster.

And despite all of this, the Jazz are much closer to the top. Seeding doesn't really matter to me. Last year it would have been much more beneficial had we lost more games anyways. We had multiple teams trying to lose on purpose by the end of the year when it got really tight. What matters to me is how likely it is to get to finals, and unless Kawhi joins the Lakers, I don't see a team we can't beat. Even if Kawhi joins the Lakers, they won't be the team that the Warriors were.

I'm not sure how you come away from that thinking they are closer to the top. I have them closer to the bottom.

Simple. The Jazz are better, the best team in the West is significantly worse. Like I said, the seeding doesn't really matter. Things could break wrong and we end up with a low seed. Our chances of getting out of the West are still higher because there isn't a team we can't beat. That's what matters.

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Then of course there is my favorite young player Anfernee Simons. I think he steps up to be a solid bench scorer for them. There overall depth is very impressive with a mix of vets and young players.

I was listening to Ryen Russillo on a podcast somewhere... I don't remember where and he said his sources from Portland are telling him Anfernee Simons is doing wild stuff in practice. It seems like Portland legit think he can be all-NBA player when it's said and done. He said the same guy that told him about Simons' development is the guy that told him about McCollum before he blew up. This is one that will continue to sting if this turns out to be right...

This is going to be the pick that haunts us for years. I actually asked Lindsey about it at the Nevada game against the utes this year and the only thing he would say is that they really like Grayson's upside.

[sipclip]

Spoiler:

And despite all of this, the Jazz are much closer to the top. Seeding doesn't really matter to me. Last year it would have been much more beneficial had we lost more games anyways. We had multiple teams trying to lose on purpose by the end of the year when it got really tight. What matters to me is how likely it is to get to finals, and unless Kawhi joins the Lakers, I don't see a team we can't beat. Even if Kawhi joins the Lakers, they won't be the team that the Warriors were.

I'm not sure how you come away from that thinking they are closer to the top. I have them closer to the bottom.

Simple. The Jazz are better, the best team in the West is significantly worse. Like I said, the seeding doesn't really matter. Things could break wrong and we end up with a low seed. Our chances of getting out of the West are still higher because there isn't a team we can't beat. That's what matters.

If things break even a little bit wrong with minimal injuries and we won't even being talking about seeding because we won't be a playoff team. There is that little margin for error when there are 11 playoff caliber teams in the west. Almost every other team with the exception of the lakers and warriors will be pretty damn deep in the west while we may not have bench. I can't wait till free agency gets started so that we can see how things start to shake out.