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Jampod wrote:Posting this trade idea from the jackpotting around podcast:

Houston trades: Brooklyn’s 2024 FRP
2026 FRP Brooklyn pick
Jabari Smith or Green
2027 Swaps or Tari Eason

Jazz Trade: Lauri Markkannen.

I mean Ainge is a master but this is too much from Houston to trade their cornerstone guard, maybe Jabari. And Tari can be their defensive anchor

What would Ainge require picks-wise from the Knicks if they used Bojan Bogdanovic as the matching salary in a Lauri deal?

Markkanen+Clarkson for Rui+ Reaves+ M.Lewis+ '24 FRP(#17)+ '29 FRP+ '31 FRP+ protection removed from '27 FRP?

Jazz can always send them the Denver '24 if that helps sweeten the deal?

NYG wrote:What would Ainge require picks-wise from the Knicks if they used Bojan Bogdanovic as the matching salary in a Lauri deal?

I don't think there is a deal to be had with the Knicks, to be honest. None of the picks they own is attractive enough because the picks they own from other teams have too many protections to be enticing, and the Knicks are too good for their own picks to be valuable enough. And the Jazz don't need Bojan, he'd basically be an expiring contract. That's not good value for Markkanen. Don't see the Jazz and Knicks as ideal trade partners on Markkanen.

Tony Jones and Andy Larsen talked about potential trade ideas.

Brandon Ingram was the main guy discussed. Larsen and Jones don't see many guys available that are feasible for the Jazz other than Trae and Brandon Ingram.

Ugh I did not want to do this after last years team (22-23)was competitive for a few months, but I really don’t want the Jazz to trade for Trae or Brandon Ingram because with the future assets they would have to give up I still don’t think the Jazz are a Top 6 team in the West in the next 2-3 years, not even sure they would be a lock for Top 8.

Gert42 wrote:Ugh I did not want to do this after last years team (22-23)was competitive for a few months, but I really don’t want the Jazz to trade for Trae or Brandon Ingram because with the future assets they would have to give up I still don’t think the Jazz are a Top 6 team in the West in the next 2-3 years, not even sure they would be a lock for Top 8.

Trading for Ingram basically locks in the Jazz's front court with Kessler-Markkanen-Ingram and allows them to focus on PG and SG and depth. I actually think this front line will make the Jazz pretty good. The Jazz are at a point where they need to start converting their assets, otherwise they'll be forced to give them away for nothing. You can only have so many draft picks, can't use them all.

The big issue with adding Ingram is that

1. Ingram is not very good
2. Ingram and Markkanen combined will make 60% of the cap and you're still nowhere close to being a 50 win team. The second apron is set at 134.4% of the cap and the luxury tax is set at 122.2% of the cap and the Jazz won't go over the tax, so Ingram+Markkanen will make up essentially half of the Jazz's entire max team payroll.

We just need to tank next year and hope that Will Hardy doesn’t get so frustrated that he looks for a different job. The fans can use our new nhl team as a healthy distraction. I hope the new name is Golden Eagles btw

HadAnEffectHere wrote:The big issue with adding Ingram is that

1. Ingram is not very good
2. Ingram and Markkanen combined will make 60% of the cap and you're still nowhere close to being a 50 win team. The second apron is set at 134.4% of the cap and the luxury tax is set at 122.2% of the cap and the Jazz won't go over the tax, so Ingram+Markkanen will make up essentially half of the Jazz's entire max team payroll.

Putting aside the issue of how good Ingram is, the cap problem you're describing will happen anyway. With Markkanen's new contract and any player of stature the Jazz will get in a trade (Ingram, Young, Murray, etc.), Markkanen+star player X will take up at least half the team's payroll. Unless the Jazz happen to get a star player who is still on his rookie deal, this is bound to happen. Unfortunately, unless Ainge pulls something crazy, this is the caliber of players the Jazz can maybe get. It's either that or the Jazz trade Markkanen sooner rather than later (they'll still sign him to a new contract and then trade him when they can) and build completely through the draft. The more time passes, the more I'm suspecting this is what will happen, unless Ainge manages a big trade this offseason.

Inigo Montoya wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:The big issue with adding Ingram is that

1. Ingram is not very good
2. Ingram and Markkanen combined will make 60% of the cap and you're still nowhere close to being a 50 win team. The second apron is set at 134.4% of the cap and the luxury tax is set at 122.2% of the cap and the Jazz won't go over the tax, so Ingram+Markkanen will make up essentially half of the Jazz's entire max team payroll.

Putting aside the issue of how good Ingram is, the cap problem you're describing will happen anyway. With Markkanen's new contract and any player of stature the Jazz will get in a trade (Ingram, Young, Murray, etc.), Markkanen+star player X will take up at least half the team's payroll. Unless the Jazz happen to get a star player who is still on his rookie deal, this is bound to happen. Unfortunately, unless Ainge pulls something crazy, this is the caliber of players the Jazz can maybe get. It's either that or the Jazz trade Markkanen sooner rather than later (they'll still sign him to a new contract and then trade him when they can) and build completely through the draft. The more time passes, the more I'm suspecting this is what will happen, unless Ainge manages a big trade this offseason.

I mean, yes, any player the Jazz add at a max has to be really really good as the Jazz can't add a third max guy.

Ingram just being ehh means that adding him is not a very good idea.

This Lakers pick in '27 better be pretty sweet the way the Jazz helped the Twolves with the Conley trade.

Jazz trade 10, 29, 32 for 6 and 42......and take Castle at 6.


I would prefer a different trade.

Hoops Addict wrote:Jazz trade 10, 29, 32 for 6 and 42......and take Castle at 6.


I would prefer a different trade.

Is this an actual rumor, or are you just speculating?

Internet rumor.

Utah Jazz News on x.com rumor.

Mock Trade that sends Lauri Markkanen to the Houston Rockets in exchange for; Pick 3 in the NBA Draft, Amen Thompson, Jae'Sean Tate, and 3 future firsts.

Jazz walk away having 2 lottery picks in the draft, more crazy valuable picks, and former top 4 pick.
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As GM I accept this trade for the Jazz.
Houston would not want to give 3 future firsts, they counter 1 future first.....as well as Amen, and the 3rd pick.

I would not do this deal.

1. How many picks do we need in this weak draft? We already have too many. It'd be a different story if the Rockets owned the 3rd pick in next year's draft.

2. The 3 future firsts are only going to be of interest if they are the Brooklyn picks. The Rockets are already decent and on the way up, their own picks aren't going to be very valuable, especially if they get Markkanen.

3. Not sure about Thompson as a prospect. Yes, he's talented and has great measurements but what position does he play? He was billed as a 6-7 point guard coming out of the draft but he's been playing in the NBA as a SF and shot 13% from 3.

4. I'd structure a deal around Green + one of Whitmore, Thompson, Parker, Eason + 3 Brooklyn firsts.

Inigo Montoya wrote:I would not do this deal.

1. How many picks do we need in this weak draft? We already have too many. It'd be a different story if the Rockets owned the 3rd pick in next year's draft.

2. The 3 future firsts are only going to be of interest if they are the Brooklyn picks. The Rockets are already decent and on the way up, their own picks aren't going to be very valuable, especially if they get Markkanen.

3. Not sure about Thompson as a prospect. Yes, he's talented and has great measurements but what position does he play? He was billed as a 6-7 point guard coming out of the draft but he's been playing in the NBA as a SF and shot 13% from 3.

4. I'd structure a deal around Green + one of Whitmore, Thompson, Parker, Eason + 3 Brooklyn firsts.

I'd easily do a deal around 3 + Amen Thompson + additional compensation. Thompson has every skill except a shot and if that is ever acceptable he will be an all-star. If the three future firsts are the Brooklyn picks? That would be highway robbery by us.

babyjax13 wrote:I'd easily do a deal around 3 + Amen Thompson + additional compensation. Thompson has every skill except a shot and if that is ever acceptable he will be an all-star. If the three future firsts are the Brooklyn picks? That would be highway robbery by us.

What position does he play? Is he a SF? A SG who can't shoot, or a PG who averaged 4.2 assists per 36 minutes? He becomes a lot less attractive if he's not a PG, which is what he was touted to be going into the draft. Does he fit with George, or will they be the most inefficient back court in the league? Not saying he isn't talented or doesn't have potential but I'm not sure where he fits. He's the same age as Giddey and they suffer from some of the same issues and we see what Giddey's career trajectory is looking like.

The #3 pick in this year's draft isn't that attractive. Are the prospects expected to be picked there that much better than those expected to be picked at #10?

Three future firsts won't really do much for the Jazz unless they are the Brooklyn picks because the Jazz already have plenty of picks in the 20s. In fact, Ainge already doesn't want to start next season with 3 more rookies (as he said himself) and the Jazz are starting to get into OKC territory of having too many picks which forces them to give some away every draft for very little value back.

Amen is a PF who can't shoot who needs to play next to a center with elite shooting ala Chet.

But Hardy is pretty stupid and only wants five out so he would never play Amen.