NBA Draft - 2021 Draft Prospects

[AingesBurner]

Roko is one of the players I would love us to have, but I doubt he falls to us.

I have seen mocks with us getting him or falling in the 2nd.

I just checked some mocks and it seems like you are correct. I just thought that skillset usually doesn't drop to the second.

For sure but I think the Euro part is why he’s dropping which is crazy.

[AingesBurner]

I have seen mocks with us getting him or falling in the 2nd.

I just checked some mocks and it seems like you are correct. I just thought that skillset usually doesn't drop to the second.

This draft is stupid deep. There are about 50 players that could be drafted in the first round, so who knows how it shakes out. I wouldn't be surprised if Roko goes 15th, and I would not be surprised if he goes 45th. I'd love him for us, he makes a ton of sense.

For sure, it will be interesting if he’s brought in for a workout.

[dr0welf]

OKC has picks 34,36, and 55. I'd offer them our 2025 and 2026 2nds to pick up 36, or one of them to pick up 55.

NOP has picks 35, 40, 43, and 53. I think getting two of those picks (probably 40 and 43) for cash should be pretty easy.

Great ideas. Maybe we could get a 2nd for Matt Thomas..... heard that's the going rate.

[Catchall]

Roko is one of the players I would love us to have, but I doubt he falls to us.

I have seen mocks with us getting him or falling in the 2nd.

I just checked some mocks and it seems like you are correct. I just thought that skillset usually doesn't drop to the second.

I don't see what makes Franz Wagner a better prospect than Roko, but Roko has been all over the place in mocks.

[Catchall]

I'm starting to think that #30 is going to come down to Ayo Dosunmu, Vrenz Bleijenberg and Greg Brown.
Assuming that Roko, Thor and Murphy are gone.

[babyjax13]

I'm starting to think that #30 is going to come down to Ayo Dosunmu, Vrenz Bleijenberg and Greg Brown.
Assuming that Roko, Thor and Murphy are gone.

I'd pass on Thor. He's too raw to make me think that he will be much of anything, and I don't think he is the kind of outlier athlete that you roll the dice on turning him into a long-term project. Would like Ayo or Vrenz.

[CAE15]

If someone wants Gobert 2.0 Neemias Queta is similar to a young Gobert with better hands and better post moves. Wonder if he will be drafted and if he develops his defensive prowess as much as Gobert has or if he focuses more on the offensive side

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really you could take a chance and move Gobert for the cheaper untrained version hoping he can fill those holes quickly. Or move Favors and Azubuike and buy a 2nd to draft Queta as a future Gobert replacement.

This isn't a move to inspire confidence in Mitchell wanting to stay. Azubuike has at least been in the system and has a similar wingspan to Gobert. Queta only has a 7'4 despite being about 7'1. Azubuike set a record for vertical jump for centers. If he learns how to use his body in the nba he is going to be a problem.

[Catchall]

The Jazz need to decide once and for all if Marcus Bagley is going to be good. There isn't really an excuse for Bagley to coast during his freshman year, but there was something wrong with that ASU program.

[AingesBurner]

The Jazz need to decide once and for all if Marcus Bagley is going to be good. There isn't really an excuse for Bagley to coast during his freshman year, but there was something wrong with that ASU program.

My biggest worry with Bagley is his dad, if he doesn’t like Sacramento, how is he going to like Utah?

[KqWIN]

Yeah...lets get another Gobert 2.0 it worked out really well last time. It's a huge advantage when we can play the same system defensively even when Gobert is out...because it's the system that makes the defense work, not Gobert being an all time great defensive talent.

[Inigo Montoya]

Let's say we do find a Gobert 2.0. But what would be the point? Gobert 1.0 was exposed in the playoffs and over the years was shown to be unplayable against certain lineups. Getting another player like Gobert isn't the answer, we'll just get the same results we've been getting so far. It's not like when we played the Clippers we were saying that we really need another player like Gobert so we could play the same way when OG Gobert was on the bench.

Just looking for another player like Gobert is lazy (from a FO\coaching perspective). You can build a good defensive team without Gobert--other teams in the league are doing it every year. It's just that Snyder is too lazy or inept to implement a good defensive system that isn't reliant on Gobert. He's been riding Gobert's inhuman defensive abilities for years.

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Let's say we do find a Gobert 2.0. But what would be the point? Gobert 1.0 was exposed in the playoffs and over the years was shown to be unplayable against certain lineups. Getting another player like Gobert isn't the answer, we'll just get the same results we've been getting so far. It's not like when we played the Clippers we were saying that we really need another player like Gobert so we could play the same way when OG Gobert was on the bench.

Just looking for another player like Gobert is lazy (from a FO\coaching perspective). You can build a good defensive team without Gobert--other teams in the league are doing it every year. It's just that Snyder is too lazy or inept to implement a good defensive system that isn't reliant on Gobert. He's been riding Gobert's inhuman defensive abilities for years.

I wouldn't say Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs. I would say our system gets exposed in the playoffs because the opponents target pretty much anybody but Gobert to initiate their offense... and Quin has a ton to answer for for that. Gobert still can be a great defensive player in the playoffs... as long as he has any modicum of support from the rest of the roster.

But overall I agree. We don't need more of the same since other teams have shown that they can exploit the same we already have. We need versatility and we need different ways to defend and attack. We need to be able to actually counter what other teams are planning against us, rather than hoping Gobert 1.0 and Gobert 2.0 will be good enough to cover the corner 3, then help at the rim, then recover to the 3, then go get the rebound... because noone else on the team is supposed to play any defense.

[Catchall]

Let's say we do find a Gobert 2.0. But what would be the point? Gobert 1.0 was exposed in the playoffs and over the years was shown to be unplayable against certain lineups. Getting another player like Gobert isn't the answer, we'll just get the same results we've been getting so far. It's not like when we played the Clippers we were saying that we really need another player like Gobert so we could play the same way when OG Gobert was on the bench.

Just looking for another player like Gobert is lazy (from a FO\coaching perspective). You can build a good defensive team without Gobert--other teams in the league are doing it every year. It's just that Snyder is too lazy or inept to implement a good defensive system that isn't reliant on Gobert. He's been riding Gobert's inhuman defensive abilities for years.

I wouldn't say Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs. I would say our system gets exposed in the playoffs because the opponents target pretty much anybody but Gobert to initiate their offense... and Quin has a ton to answer for for that. Gobert still can be a great defensive player in the playoffs... as long as he has any modicum of support from the rest of the roster.

But overall I agree. We don't need more of the same since other teams have shown that they can exploit the same we already have. We need versatility and we need different ways to defend and attack. We need to be able to actually counter what other teams are planning against us, rather than hoping Gobert 1.0 and Gobert 2.0 will be good enough to cover the corner 3, then help at the rim, then recover to the 3, then go get the rebound... because noone else on the team is supposed to play any defense.

The Conley and Mitchell backcourt is small. Bigger guards can just go by them or shoot over them. Jazz can add a player with size and length at the 4 (like a JT Thor or Moses Wright) to be a secondary rim and paint protector, but that's not going to stop a guy like Jamal Murray taking a side dribble and shooting over our guards, and it won't stop a bigger guard like Paul George or Lu Dort from getting into the paint.

[sip]

I don't understand why Joe Wieskamp isn't being viewed as a better prospect. In most mocks they don't even have him being drafted which is crazy. I don't see a difference between he and Corey Kispert who is being mocked as a lottery pick. He is the steal of the draft in my mind if you can get him in the 2nd rd. In a league that puts such a huge emphasis on shooting he should be viewed highly by every team and I have a feeling that is probably the case and the mocks don't have a clue.

[AingesBurner]

Can we draft a 17 year old?

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[SoCalJazzFan]

I'm starting to think that #30 is going to come down to Ayo Dosunmu, Vrenz Bleijenberg and Greg Brown.
Assuming that Roko, Thor and Murphy are gone.

I've finally gotten around to watching vids on Roko, and if he is there at #30, I am sold. It would be amazing to get a player like him at the end of the first round.

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Let's say we do find a Gobert 2.0. But what would be the point? Gobert 1.0 was exposed in the playoffs and over the years was shown to be unplayable against certain lineups. Getting another player like Gobert isn't the answer, we'll just get the same results we've been getting so far. It's not like when we played the Clippers we were saying that we really need another player like Gobert so we could play the same way when OG Gobert was on the bench.

Just looking for another player like Gobert is lazy (from a FO\coaching perspective). You can build a good defensive team without Gobert--other teams in the league are doing it every year. It's just that Snyder is too lazy or inept to implement a good defensive system that isn't reliant on Gobert. He's been riding Gobert's inhuman defensive abilities for years.

I wouldn't say Gobert gets exposed in the playoffs. I would say our system gets exposed in the playoffs because the opponents target pretty much anybody but Gobert to initiate their offense... and Quin has a ton to answer for for that. Gobert still can be a great defensive player in the playoffs... as long as he has any modicum of support from the rest of the roster.

But overall I agree. We don't need more of the same since other teams have shown that they can exploit the same we already have. We need versatility and we need different ways to defend and attack. We need to be able to actually counter what other teams are planning against us, rather than hoping Gobert 1.0 and Gobert 2.0 will be good enough to cover the corner 3, then help at the rim, then recover to the 3, then go get the rebound... because noone else on the team is supposed to play any defense.

The Conley and Mitchell backcourt is small. Bigger guards can just go by them or shoot over them. Jazz can add a player with size and length at the 4 (like a JT Thor or Moses Wright) to be a secondary rim and paint protector, but that's not going to stop a guy like Jamal Murray taking a side dribble and shooting over our guards, and it won't stop a bigger guard like Paul George or Lu Dort from getting into the paint.

IMO in the long run it's probably better that Mitchell assumes the PG(smallest player on the floor for us) role. We need bigger guards, bigger wings. Look at what PHX can do with huge wings like Bridges and Cam Johnson. We need to add players that will allow us to switch things up and play different styles. Conley is probably our best bet short-term because we cannot replace him with anything better, but in the meantime we need to start adding talent that adds things to this team rather than replicate what we are already doing.

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Can we draft a 17 year old?

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[AingesBurner]

Can we draft a 17 year old?

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Is he too young to draft?

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Can we draft a 17 year old?

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Is he too young to draft?

Yes. For a player to be drafted he needs to turn 19 by the end of the calendar year when they are drafted. The bad thing is... he's born in January 2004. So he won't be eligible to be drafted until 2023.