Keep an eye on the Philly pick.

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Post#21 » by outerspacefella » Wed May 19, 2010 8:10 pm

Well... interesting... but I really don't see the Sixers buying into it. I think you can't really trade dudes like Evan Turner. Kobe Bryant was right when he said Turner is the complete package.

If Philadelphia accept it (they won't of course) the Jazz would have to make a good hard decision between Turner, Cousins, Favors. I'd have huge inclination to takeTurner to set probably the top NBA backcourt for years to come, but Cousins or Favors are just as complete and rare players, and Jazz coaching staff would make darn great players out off any of them.

I think KOC should make a huge effort to trade up and get the big fella they desperately need; They have good enough guards and wings in Matthews, Miles, Kirilenko and (hopefully staying in Utah) Korver; none of them is Evan Turner, but they are good enough.

If they don't trade up the most likely scenario would have the Jazz having to take their pick out off players like Udoh, Whiteside, Motiejunas, Davis, Patterson... I like a couple of them but I don't know if that's good enough because we just can“t expect Okur to contribute next season. We are without a starting center right now unless Fesenko quickly evolves... and the backup is Koufos whom clearly regresssed IMHO...
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Post#22 » by Ming Kong! » Thu May 20, 2010 1:08 am

How about sign-and-trade Boozer + 9th pick for Brand + 2nd pick? They get to drop a bad contract, and get a player who's ready to make an impact in Boozer. It's a deep draft so they could get a very good player at #9 since it's a deep draft.

For the Jazz I think this is a no brainer

Okur/Fes/Koufos
Millsap/Brand
Kirilenko/Miles
Turner/Mathews/Korver
Williams/Price/Gaines

Sixers it's really not a bad move, they already have a swing man in Iggy and would probably prefer to improve their frontcourt. Perhaps they may benefit more from a Turner, but I can always dream right?
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Post#23 » by DelaneyRudd » Thu May 20, 2010 1:47 am

You can't negotiate sign and trades until a week after the draft. So no, they should draft hoping a player will agree to a sign and trade agreed to with out his input.
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Post#24 » by blackham9258 » Thu May 20, 2010 7:06 am

Teams that pay big dollars in this off season will rue the day! The contract lengths and dollars are coming down, maybe as much as 30-40. The smart move is to get cap space for a year or two down the road. Don't do a Brand deal.
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Post#25 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu May 20, 2010 2:24 pm

The only Philly trade I would take a look at is bringing Iggy over.

With Philly grabbing Turner I have to believe that they want to dump Iggy asap. There have been rumors of the Jazz wanting to try and make a move for him in the past and I'm sure both sides would be interested in making it work.

Iggy would be an awesome fit for the Jazz, especially if they let KK walk. Could you imagine a lineup of...

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Millsap or Boozer
Draft pick (Aldrich, Udoh, Monroe)

You could even get away with playing Iggy at the 3 and starting either Miles or Matthews at the 2 with the other coming off of the bench. That would be a killer lineup to have every night...
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Post#26 » by spoonhoops » Thu May 20, 2010 5:21 pm

I don't see it happening, but stranger things have happened. I do hope the Jazz are able to move into the top 3 though to take Favors. Turner would be sweet, but time and time again the Jazz get dominated because of their size issues.
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Post#27 » by ITK9 » Thu May 20, 2010 7:50 pm

keep dreaming.i had a dream where we were trading brand for deron williams but then i woke up...
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Post#28 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu May 20, 2010 11:52 pm

ITK9 wrote:keep dreaming.i had a dream where we were trading brand for deron williams but then i woke up...
How open would you guys be to trading Iggy for AK?
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Post#29 » by Bullet » Fri May 21, 2010 1:28 am

If the picks (2 and 9) are included, I'll be all for it. I'm just not keen on taking AI's contract at this point because of the CBA coming next season. AK for AI straight up puts us in a disadvantage, IMO.

Also, I think the reason the FO has confidence in handing over the starting PF to Millsap is because the team showed promise last season (when Boozer was out) with Millsap and AK as forwards, with AK assuming the PF role when Paul sits. So if the picks aren't in the deal, the Jazz become smaller and inexperienced at the forward spots (assuming they don't re-sign Boozer). AK can play the 3 and the 4, AI plays the wing. That leaves a huge deficiency at the 4 spot.
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Post#30 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Fri May 21, 2010 2:44 pm

I was figuring if you swapped AK and Iggy that you would S&T Boozer for another 4 (Beasley, Haslem, or whoever) to fill the AK hole at the forward spot.

I love AK and would love to see him stay and play more minutes at the 4 if Boozer is gone but I would still have to take a long and serious look at making a move for Iggy if the option is there.

I don't like the idea of planning for the CBA lockout. We don't even know if it's going to happen and I don't think you can try and build a championship caliber team if you are playing things safe.
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Post#31 » by Bullet » Sat May 22, 2010 2:07 am

If Boozer can be signed and traded for another 4, then that would be alright. But putting into consideration the FO's tendencies, that would only happen with a team with cap space so Utah doesn't have to absorb salary. So who's in that list?

WAS - Blatche?
NJ - Boone? Humphries?
MIN - Love?
SAC - Landry? Thompson?
LAC - Griffin?
CHI - Noah? Gibson?
MIA - Beasley?
OKC - Collison? Ibaka? White?

I'd love Thompson, Noah and Ibaka. But I doubt Boozer agrees to go to OKC and OKC too might not be interested in an offense-minded PF. Would SAC do it with a small Landry already there (or if Landry is the one included in the trade, would UTA do it with a small Millsap already here)? So will it be Chicago? Hopefully, yes.
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Post#32 » by freakazoid » Sat May 22, 2010 2:45 am

Bat wrote:I would not be surprised to see the Jazz in talks for a trade centered around Andrei Kirilenko, the #9 pick, and maybe the Memphis first for Elton Brand and the #2 pick.



Stop thinking small. We throw in Boozer, and obviously we land Lebron, and possibly Bosh.

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Post#33 » by countrybama24 » Sat May 22, 2010 3:21 pm

While I initially shot this down.... Philly might actually be that stupid.

"A number of teams have already looked into the availability of the Philadelphia 76ers' No. 2 pick in the June 24 draft.

The asking price? Several sources said they were told that the Sixers want their trade partner to take Elton Brand off their hands. Good luck with that. With Brand set to earn $51 million over the course of the next three years, he's virtually impossible to trade.

As much as teams like the Minnesota Timberwolves, for instance, love Evan Turner, I don't think they love him that much."

-Chad Ford (http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... -no-2-pick)


I would be all over this, you don't pass on a chance at a player like Turner. Brand obviously sucks, and people who actually think he'll be as good as Boozer are crazy. I would like to see him ride the bench behind Paul. But turner is a star, and that makes this worth it. We would have to delay our Free Agent plans by one year (not after AK, but after Okur expires in 2012, when Brand expires) but that ONE YEAR only delay is obviously worth evan turner.

Fact of the matter is we're not gonna make a free agent splash next year anyways, as resigning fesenko (a couple mil), matthews (2-3 mil), the pick (3 mil) will eat up our cap even without any other additions. Thanks Okur!
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Post#34 » by write4u » Sat May 22, 2010 4:57 pm

Basically, we're trading one bad contract for a worse one to get Turner ... make sense? I would rather try another team to move down a couple or so slots to get our pick of bigs in the draft. Plus given Brand's injuries, which are also worse than AK's, it's not a good deal.
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Post#35 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Sat May 22, 2010 6:02 pm

I love Turner more than anyone, I have been saying he is the best player in the draft all year long. But I'm with CF on this one, as much as I, the Jazz or any other team may love Turner he is just not worth taking on Eltons' contract to get.
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Post#36 » by Deckard » Sun May 23, 2010 5:23 am

I'd be fine with almost anything (outside of trading Deron) if it gets us Turner. In my opinion, a DWill/Turner combo puts us at the top of the NBA for years to come. The damage we take from taking on a contract like Brand's would be worth it in the long run. Sure, we probably aren't winning anything next year, but I don't mind setting ourselves up for the future. Keeping Millsap and eventually finding a defensive big to go along with that Dwill/Turner combo would be a championship caliber team.

We're gonna lose Boozer anyways, we can survive taking on Brand's contract. We can easily survive it if we find a way to dump Kirilenko or Okur too.
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Re: Keep an eye on the Philly pick. 

Post#37 » by J_Ray » Sun May 23, 2010 6:16 am

The only issue I see here is losing Kirilenko. When he has played, healthy may I add, the guy has been a big time difference maker for Utah. This year when he was playing, the guy made Utah a whole different team.
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Re: Keep an eye on the Philly pick. 

Post#38 » by NUMBERICA » Mon May 24, 2010 7:24 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Frist, it doesn't solve our lack of size.


Frist, it doesn't hurt the Jazz there.

Second, it severly limits our options in the FA market next year where we could pick up someone like Perkins.


That's your argument? That we won't have the money to regretfully blow on Kendrick Perkins? The Jazz won't have more than the MLE any way you dice it unless they try to Darius Miles Memo (which they should try to do).

Third, we don't need Brand if we bring back Boozer or draft a big at 9.


If we bring back Boozer? That will cost the Jazz $30 million next year plus likely additional years to Brand's deal. And I don't know how anyone else can see this, but there will be no big available that we can run an offense through (Monroe would be the closest if he wasn't so unmotivated and a general disappointment vs. His size and talent).

Fourth, AK is proven to be one of the most important pieces on this team, you just don't trade him.


Proven how? When he's good, the Jazz are great but how often has that been? Throw all of the +/- garbage you want, site small sample size where he played well, but the bottom line is the Jazz don't appreciably lose more or win less when he's gone. How does he fit in to a championship team anyway? AK's biggest value is the money he'll save a team at this stage.

Fifth, why does Philly do this? They don't need AK and they need the draft pick.


I hate to be so obvious, but did Memphis need Kwame Brown? Did Washington need Ilgauskas? **** teams buried in salary sometimes try to shed it, Philly is a **** team.
Sixth, if we move into the top 3 we should target Favors unless you let Matthews/Korver walk or trade CJ away.



If AK is gone (and in this scenrio, he would be), the Jazz have ONE WING UNDER CONTRACT for next year. They'll have Matthews' rights as well and that's it. You draft BPA, and Turner is BPA. Favors hasn't proven anything (although he might completely rule at some point) and Cousins will implode the organization.
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Post#39 » by DelaneyRudd » Mon May 24, 2010 7:39 pm

You can't "Darius Miles" someone who will be ready to play by December at the latest.
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Post#40 » by NUMBERICA » Mon May 24, 2010 8:04 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:You can't "Darius Miles" someone who will be ready to play by December at the latest.

You don't know that. It was a pretty terrible injury, especially for someone that plods and weighs as much as he does, in addition to the fact that he was never exactly a good athlete or especially adept at healing. This is the guy that has to sit games when he takes international flights and has one of the worst home/away splits in the NBA, supposedly because of his back and not having his super-specialized bed.

Considering that he isn't superhuman, the nature/severity of the injury, and the total ineptitude of the Jazz medical staff, it seems within the realm of possibility that his injury is in the Darius Miles category.

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