Just let CJ go..

[ColdBlue]

CJ was a horrible 6th man and cost us more games than he won us.

I still think it would be smart to keep him, just take away the green light as 6th man.

[The59Sound]

I don't know, maybe it was just me, but I generally I didn't really think he was that bad this year as a lot of people are making him out to be, his percentages from three are a lot lower than those other goes too, because they didn't take near as many at all.

That's priceless logic right there.

[Jampod]

Don't love or hate him. Keep him as an asset for a trade down the road. The sad thing is Miles has so much more talent than shooting the three. When he exercises his right into the lane, he's an adequate scorer. He fends of the ball very well from defenders and has the length to get to the rim easily. I wish he'd do that more.

[MeestR]

i'm thinking for 3 million dollars, you know what you're going to get. i'de rather it not be at least a few weeks, if not a few months down the road before (insert random $3mil player) even reaches THAT potential. cj is already here. 3 million dollar players aren't supposed to impact the team. they are supposed to provide some glue and a roster spot.

let him go if the jazz have some salary to burn and not enough roster spots. (except the jazz have the opposite problem with respect to the roster, so i really don't see cj leaving)

[jozef]

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA1.HTM

[Reckless]

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA1.HTM

who is 2nd and 3rd on that list. +/- means nothing

[StocktonShorts]

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011UTA1.HTM

I'm a big believer in advanced stats like those offered at 82 games, but you have to be very careful in interpreting them. The guy who founded 82games.com is on the Mavs staff now, and a lot of people attribute much of the Mavs' success to him. With that in mind, look at the same stats for the Mavs:
http://www.82games.com/1011/1011DAL1.HTM

After looking at that chart, a lot of the +/- numbers for the Jazz just look like statistical noise. But for the Mavs the numbers match up almost perfectly with how I'd rank the Mavs players after watching this year's playoffs.

I'm not sure how to interpret the Jazz data after a losing season: do you judge Al harshly for having a terrible +/- while being on the court 73% of the time? Or do you figure that there really wasn't a better alternative? Bell's horrible numbers seem to match what our eyes told us, but what about Hayward's similarly bad numbers?

[StocktonShorts]

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910UTA1.HTM

Here's the same chart for the prior Jazz season. Looks like the right group of guys at the top, right? I think teams are foolish if they ignore this data altogether, but I'm still not quite sure how a team in the Jazz's situation, faced with questions like "who is more valuable, Millsap or Jefferson?", should interpret it. Can the data really be useful when looking at a turbulent season like the Jazz just had?

[BarneyGumble]

If we can pick him up and dump him off for a 2nd round pick, do it. Otherwise, let the bum walk.

[Jazzfan12]

Rookies always have terrible +/- numbers because they have a poor understanding of the game and make a ton of mistakes because they have no previous NBA experience.

[StocktonShorts]

Rookies always have terrible +/- numbers because they have a poor understanding of the game and make a ton of mistakes because they have no previous NBA experience.

A) I'm not sure what this has to do with C.J.

B) If you look at the 2009-2010 Jazz chart you'll see that Wes Matthews (rookie) posted a very nice +/-

[Getjazz]

I'm not sure that most of the CJ haters are true Jazz fans that watch every game and every play. If so then you would see and know that for 3.7 mil your not getting a better player. Maybe not even close. You need guys like CJ on your team. Talented shooters like him go for around 5-6 mil Korver isn't as good as CJ and makes nearly twice as much. Mathews is better but makes nearly 3 times as much.
Come on man see him for what he is. He isn't Kobe, he's a 3 mil dollar player and plays like it.

He knows the system and is a good team guy. He has a ton of potential still ( may never reach it) but for 3 mil thats what you get. Plus he didn't loose us anymore games than anyome else. CJ is going to be extended and be here for a while.

I just hate Jazz fans who go off of what everyone else says and don't know how much players are worth and say 3 mill seems like a lot of cash. In the NBA its NOT!!!!

I'm not a CJ fan, but he is worth evey penny of that deal and is as good or better than ANYONE who you could sign for the same money.. Think Bell and your there...

[franklin]

You lost me at "Talented shooters like him". Not only does CJ have terrible shooting %'s, but he clanks WIDE OPEN SHOTS, where he is not rushed, has plenty of time to square his shoulders, and is shooting in CJ rhythm. D-Will set him up time and again with shots that were every bit as easy to make as a practice shot, and what does CJ do with the opportunity? Clank the rim over and over and over.

Only reason I would sign him is if I couldn't pick up or trade for another shooting guard. I'd offer Millsap for Matthews or Tyreke Evans (a dream, I know), try to trade for Marcus Thornton, and offer the MLE to Afflalo's agent all before picking up CJ's option as a last resort only. I'd rather add his money to AK's contract and resign Evans than waste it on another year of yelling STOP SHOOTING AND LEARN TO DRIVE YOU SON OF A BITCH!

[StocktonShorts]

In CJ's defense:

- After D-Will was traded he ran the best pick-and-roll on the team.
- He has a nice variety of shots he can make when he attacks the basket

I just wish he would attack more instead of settling for jumpers.

[franklin]

In CJ's defense:

- After D-Will was traded he ran the best pick-and-roll on the team.
- He has a nice variety of shots he can make when he attacks the basket

I just wish he would attack more instead of settling for jumpers.

That's what most people said until he started doing it a lot more under Corbin. Driving more didn't take away how terrible he is at drawing fouls and finishing with contact. He can't do either, but I would love to see him get better and then drive more. There is potential, and, to his credit, CJ improved a ton last off season. If he can draw contact and still finish then he will turn into a decent offensive player. But the outside shot is not getting much better or any more consistent. His stroke is too unorthodox to become good.

[The59Sound]

Well, considering how much time us "CJ haters" waste posting on a message board about the Utah Jazz, the odds are pretty good that we "watch every game and every play."

Kyle Korver is a proven commodity. CJ Miles is the complete opposite. Why do people keep glossing over the fact that our "deadly three-point threat" shot 32% from there this year, and 33% for his career?

[Getjazz]

Thats the problem, CJ is a role player and not our "Deadly three-point threat".

I see your point of using his money on someone like Matthews, Tyreke Evans or even Afflalo. But do your really think that is even close to happening?

Me neither...

[The59Sound]

Thats the problem, CJ is a role player and not our "Deadly three-point threat".

I see your point of using his money on someone Matthews, Tyreke Evans or even Afflalo. But do your really think that is even close to happening?

Me neither...

Role players, like Kyle Korver, usually have a specific talent (i.e. their "role"). What is CJ's? You called him a "talented shooter," but the numbers [and the naked eye] show he isn't.

[BarneyGumble]

Korver isn't as good as CJ

Lost me there....

[Getjazz]

I think he can be a good shooter. Like you said he need a "role" not a green light. That would help his % quite a bit.