Quin replacement

[bkohler]

I might be the last person on this island but I’m actually a little surprised we didn’t kick the tires on Exum this season. Seems like he could be had for the min and his defense would have been very helpful.

[bkohler]

Also Johnnie Bryant is the name I would expect if we keep Don.

[Denizfeital]

One name I’d be curious about over the long term - is there a Brad Stevens / Danny Ainge reunion in the future? Brad seems pretty set as the GM now but things change quick in the NBA.

Wow. I would not mind Brad Stevens at all.

No. New Celtic coach Ime Udoka has the Celtics ranked the number one defense in the NBA --- something Coach Stevens never did, albeit the youngish Celtic players are all a year older with another year of development. Moreover, I can't imagine why Stevens would want to leave his sweet position as GM of the contending Celtics, who have a talented young core and multiple years to contend, for the struggling Jazz with their older core. Many people are picking the Celtics to come out of the East this season, including both the computer programs at 538 and Basketball Reference, who have the Celtics winning the NBA title.

On a Jazz related note, Celtic starters DPOY Smart, Tatum, Brown and Robert Williams are all top 52 DRAPM players and were draft picks by Danny Ainge. Ainge may well have been involved in the re-acquistion of Horford as well. Ainge gave notice of retirement on June 2, but still worked with Stevens during a subsequent transition period. The team traded for Horford on June 18th.

The Celtics are up 2-0 on Brooklyn playing without starting Center/PF Robert Williams, who is ranked #11 in the NBA for DRAPM, ranked #4 in blocks and ranked #4 in OREBs. Williams is green GTD today and will likely begin his return to action after having been out with meniscus surgery since March 27th. Of course there is also a chance that Ben Simmons comes back as an impact player and defender for Brooklyn before first round is over, but I am a little skeptical that Simmons can step back in to the first round as a really effective player after having taken an entire year off and never played a single game with the Nets.

I just said I would not mind. That was it. I didn't say he would come to the Jazz or this was achievable.

Regards.

[ChiroMike]

I disagree with most of the comments posted. I think Quin has been able to maximize the talent on this team, whose ceiling is the second round of the playoffs.

I think Quin’s faults lie on the motivational side. I think he is as skilled a tactician as any NBA coach. This season was the most frustrating year of fandom for me because of the lack of effort in most games. It seemed like they played just hard enough. Maybe that is the result of having a older team.

[zero24gravity]

I disagree with most of the comments posted. I think Quin has been able to maximize the talent on this team, whose ceiling is the second round of the playoffs.

I think Quin’s faults lie on the motivational side. I think he is as skilled a tactician as any NBA coach. This season was the most frustrating year of fandom for me because of the lack of effort in most games. It seemed like they played just hard enough. Maybe that is the result of having a older team.

I'm with you. I don't think Q is the issue with this team. Do we really think that there's another top5 NBA coach out there that is coming to Utah in his place? No coach is perfect. Sloan was complained about by fans constantly, but may be a top10 coach of all time. With that said, the talent on the Jazz is that of a title contender, and on paper seem to always be better than the other team. It's confusing.

If the Jazz have an off-season of significant player change, then I hope to see Q stay. I don't think we need a coaching change AND a major player change. One or the other, and I think the players are the better bet to help right the ship. Too much change all at once isn't helpful.

[Rauxcee]

See I don't think Snyder is a top 5 coach. When you get out coached 3 post seasons in a row, that's a coaching problem. When you blow a 3-1 lead to the nuggets, lose to a Kawhi-less clipper team after also blowing a series lead, and when you are down 2-1 to a Luka-less Mavs team- that's coaching. When your opponent makes adjustments and you don't, that's coaching. When you realize you have bad defenders, but can't at least try to come up with a plan to compensate for that when other coaches have- that's a bad coach. When you can't get your players to buy in on either end of the floor- that's a bad coach.

You don't pull a 180 from season to the next like Jazz have unless the players realized the coach isn't taking them anywhere.

3 strikes and you're out, and Snyder needs to be one of the first moves. He has failed to improve or show that he can compete with other coachesin the playoffs.

[NYG]

Are the Jazz going full tear down if they lose?

[bkohler]

I assume it depends on the offers but I think they’ll listen to any and all ideas. It would highly unlikely the same core returns.

I basically see four options:
A) keep Don/Rudy/Quin and rebuild around them
B) trade Don and attempt one more short term build around Rudy
C) trade Rudy and build around Don
D) trade both and go hard rebuild

[SoCalJazzFan]

I am not on board with the fire Quin movement, but I think the way things are trending, it's extremely doubtful that Quin is the coach next year.

So the question is if Quin goes elsewhere who are the candidates to replace him?

Someone internal? College coach? Borrego? Vogel?

Terry Stotts spent a fair amount of time with the Jazz this season. It almost looked like he's waiting in the wings.

The main thing is that the front office and the coaches need to be on the same page regarding how the team is supposed to be built and played. There was a real rift between Quin and Dennis Lindsey related to personnel decisions.

Interesting point on Stotts.

DL wanted Quinn to play two centers and have smothering defense. Quinn knew this was anti-modern bball and that it would be a disaster. Quinn won.

[Catchall]

Are the Jazz going full tear down if they lose?

No. I think they'll shift their strategy away from a Spurs-system model and more towards a Danny Ainge positionless model. I could see Conley, O'Neale and Bogdanovic moved in the offseason. I don't think the Jazz would move a star player before Ainge gets his hands on the roster.

[vryadli]

I am not on board with the fire Quin movement, but I think the way things are trending, it's extremely doubtful that Quin is the coach next year.

So the question is if Quin goes elsewhere who are the candidates to replace him?

Someone internal? College coach? Borrego? Vogel?

Terry Stotts spent a fair amount of time with the Jazz this season. It almost looked like he's waiting in the wings.

The main thing is that the front office and the coaches need to be on the same page regarding how the team is supposed to be built and played. There was a real rift between Quin and Dennis Lindsey related to personnel decisions.

Interesting point on Stotts.

DL wanted Quinn to play two centers and have smothering defense. Quinn knew this was anti-modern bball and that it would be a disaster. Quinn won.

So, you don't think that Jazz performance after All-Star break is a disaster? I feel that even last days of Corbin wasn't on that level of "non-disaster".

[bkohler]

Idk Danny’s history with the Celtics shows he wasted no time trading his stars once taking over. If he didn’t think they were good enough they were gone.

His history makes me think he’ll lean towards keeping Don as he loves scoring point guards (Kyrie, IT, rozier) and has traditionally moved away from non-shooting bigs (moved perk, signed horford, thies, Robert Williams, etc).

I do agree that the 2-4 on Angie teams seems to be ran by a committee of switchable athletes.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Terry Stotts spent a fair amount of time with the Jazz this season. It almost looked like he's waiting in the wings.

The main thing is that the front office and the coaches need to be on the same page regarding how the team is supposed to be built and played. There was a real rift between Quin and Dennis Lindsey related to personnel decisions.

Interesting point on Stotts.

DL wanted Quinn to play two centers and have smothering defense. Quinn knew this was anti-modern bball and that it would be a disaster. Quinn won.

So, you don't think that Jazz performance after All-Star break is a disaster? I feel that even last days of Corbin wasn't on that level of "non-disaster".

I'm not defending Quinn. I think we could possibly do better, and we could do worse. He has been resistant/unable to change his gameplan on the fly and has been outcoached in the playoffs, IMO. I doubt, however, that the Jazz fire him this offseason. The fact that DL and Quinn were butting heads and DL was fired says a lot about how the Jazz value Quinn.

[AingesBurner]

Interesting point on Stotts.

DL wanted Quinn to play two centers and have smothering defense. Quinn knew this was anti-modern bball and that it would be a disaster. Quinn won.

So, you don't think that Jazz performance after All-Star break is a disaster? I feel that even last days of Corbin wasn't on that level of "non-disaster".

I'm not defending Quinn. I think we could possibly do better, and we could do worse. He has been resistant/unable to change his gameplan on the fly and has been outcoached in the playoffs, IMO. I doubt, however, that the Jazz fire him this offseason. The fact that DL and Quinn were butting heads and DL was fired says a lot about how the Jazz value Quinn.

Let’s not act like DL was some amazing GM, he was very mediocre, failed to act on trades or trade players that were not 100% committed, Hayward… Overpaid players past their use: Favors, and overpaid for players in trades: Hill, Rubio, and Conley. The guy was a train wreck.

[Catchall]

Idk Danny’s history with the Celtics shows he wasted no time trading his stars once taking over. If he didn’t think they were good enough they were gone.

His history makes me think he’ll lean towards keeping Don as he loves scoring point guards (Kyrie, IT, rozier) and has traditionally moved away from non-shooting bigs (moved perk, signed horford, thies, Robert Williams, etc).

I do agree that the 2-4 on Angie teams seems to be ran by a committee of switchable athletes.

He traded Antoine Walker, who was a fake star. He traded Al Jefferson in a deal that brought back Kevin Garnett. I could see Ainge trading Gobert if he thinks Gobert is the wrong archetype and he gets a solid trade offer in return.

[Catchall]

Terry Stotts spent a fair amount of time with the Jazz this season. It almost looked like he's waiting in the wings.

The main thing is that the front office and the coaches need to be on the same page regarding how the team is supposed to be built and played. There was a real rift between Quin and Dennis Lindsey related to personnel decisions.

Interesting point on Stotts.

DL wanted Quinn to play two centers and have smothering defense. Quinn knew this was anti-modern bball and that it would be a disaster. Quinn won.

So, you don't think that Jazz performance after All-Star break is a disaster? I feel that even last days of Corbin wasn't on that level of "non-disaster".

Ingles, Conley and Gay are aging and declining. That hurt the Jazz this season. Also, the league is moving on from the Spurs system model and more towards the Golden State / Miami / Boston model with big, switchy wings.

[bkohler]

Interestingly Antoine Walker and Donovan Mitchell's 6th seasons weren't too far off of each other: https://stathead.com/tiny/n7YBy

It was also the season before Danny traded him.

One of the most famous Angie stories is his trying to convince the Celtics to trade old larry bird before he had no value, I imagine anyone on the wrong side of thirty should be aware that they have a good chance of playing for another team next year.

[bkohler]

From Amicks article this morning it sounds like Quin might be the one who wants out. Also sounds like maybe he never planned to be in UTA long term.

The article gives the strong impression that it depends on how the roster shake up goes - that he might step away for a year.

It also clarifies that there’s two years left on his contract and that the Jazz FO like him and want him to stay.


All of this plus Gobert’s comments talking about Quin in the past tense makes me wonder if those two don’t see eye to eye this year.

[zero24gravity]

From Amicks article this morning it sounds like Quin might be the one who wants out. Also sounds like maybe he never planned to be in UTA long term.

The article gives the strong impression that it depends on how the roster shake up goes - that he might step away for a year.

It also clarifies that there’s two years left on his contract and that the Jazz FO like him and want him to stay.


All of this plus Gobert’s comments talking about Quin in the past tense makes me wonder if those two don’t see eye to eye this year.

Justin Zanik just had an interview where he was very strong in his conviction about Quinn being the man. It's the only subject he was not dismissive about answering. ... But I do think it's possible Q wants out. If that's the case, then of course the Jazz can't force him to stay and coach. It would be a negative for the franchise, and there's no way they replace him with a better coach. (There simply aren't many out there.) A guy like Jenson may be next up, if Coach is wanting out.