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Post#21 » by winforlose » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:13 pm

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zero24gravity wrote:The TWolves RealGM board is not happy.

KAT + Rudy makes no sense to me, unless they are thinking they are the West's version of Cleveland, with a huge lineup.

Minny fans will quickly learn how amazing Gobert's impact is, but I get why giving up so many picks/assets is hard to swallow.


I am the Wolves fan who has been banging the Rudy drum the loudest. I told everyone that Rudy will defend the paint like no one’s business and our defense will get a lot better for it. But the picks are killers. I would have given 2 unprotected in 23 and 25, but no way is 27 unprotected. The pick swap in 26 shouldn’t matter, but I would have top 8 protected it anyway, and the 29 would never have happened.

Bolmaro needs a lot of work. Kessler is a natural Rudy replacement eventually, but will take you guys time to groom him. Beasley is a nice sharpshooter but does nothing else (and I literally mean nothing.) He is bad at rebounding, passing, dribbling, driving, defending, and defending without fouling. Pat Bev is a ton of fun to have on your team. He will surprise you guys and you will believe in him. V8 is your gem. His hands are bad and he has no jump shot. But he is a rebounding machine, an absolute Energizer Bunny, and a defensive force to be reckoned with.


Thanks for the insight. Funny thing is, if it was only for a couple 1st rounders, I don't see the Jazz biting, and if they did, Jazz fans would likely be the upset fanbase. I like Vanderbilt, and think he brings a lot of what the Jazz needed last year, with his energy & athleticism. He may even end up being the starting center, if the Jazz don't make a big move (I'm hearing Ayton rumors). I also think Bev is one of those players that you love if he's on your team, and hate on any other team. I question if he'll ever suite up for the team, though. Intrigued by Kessler. Possibly a boom-or-bust? Time will tell.

You're going to love Rudy, as long as you appreciate impact that can't always be gauged by simple numbers. He's as impactful as anyone the T-Wolves have had since KG.

Still trying to wrap my head around the KAT + Gobert pairing.


KAT was never a 5. I have been saying this since seeing him as rookie. He has always been a 4. Last year in the offseason he dropped a ton of weight to increase speed. Even with the weight he couldn’t play post defense and avoid foul trouble. Since losing it he cannot play post defense at all against bigs. Rudy will secure the paint and allow KAT to defend in space. He has proven surprisingly good at it. The pairing will keep KAT out of foul trouble and increase our win rate. On offense nobody can guard KAT straight on. The doubles will let Rudy feast in the dunkers spot and with put backs. It will be scary good. Add Ant and Dlo to that mix with guys like McDaniels and Nowell and we will win games.

I still think we overpaid in picks but I see your point. One interesting question will be whether the Wolves move East in the expansion. Playing you guys twice a year vs four times a year is a big difference maker in assessing this trade. I think the whole NBA is in shock right now. You guys have the assets to get anyone you want to replace Rudy.

P.S V8 is not a center. I was often advocating for him to play the SF. His defense is elite but his size is not. He is skinny and a terrible rim protector. Where he shines is using his length to disrupt passing lanes and his speed to stay in front of wings and guards. He is great at switching and a real first or second team all NBA defender. I want him to do well, I just hope he learns to use his hands better.
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Post#22 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:13 pm

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Yeah, no one gets bought out super cheap.....


Pat Bev will likely be bought out cheap, Beasley might be more and all it takes is one of those firsts to send Conley for a contract that is a lot less.


Why buy him out when you can probably trade him and get back something?

IMO, we need a guy like Pat Beverly.
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Post#23 » by eLo » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:14 pm

Its sad day to be a JazzFan, trading Gob its like braking totally with past, return may be ok but it sucks any way :(
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Post#24 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:14 pm

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Inigo Montoya wrote:Hearing the Jazz might send Bev and the 23 pick we got from minny to the Suns for Ayton in s&t.


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Post#25 » by AingesBurner » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:14 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Hearing the Jazz might send Bev and the 23 pick we got from minny to the Suns for Ayton in s&t.


Also, it would hilarious if this happened and Phoenix sent that pick to Brooklyn for KD.
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Post#26 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:14 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Hearing the Jazz might send Bev and the 23 pick we got from minny to the Suns for Ayton in s&t.

If that happens I'll be pretty okay with this.
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Post#27 » by AingesBurner » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:15 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
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Inigo Montoya wrote:Hearing the Jazz might send Bev and the 23 pick we got from minny to the Suns for Ayton in s&t.


Link?

Watching the Monty Show live on youtube


Ohhh, that guy has some sources, I listened to him at the beginning of the month and he said watch out for Gobert to Minny.
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Post#28 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:19 pm

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Inigo Montoya wrote:Hearing the Jazz might send Bev and the 23 pick we got from minny to the Suns for Ayton in s&t.

WE WANT ALL OF THE CENTERS Blah ha hah!!
(Edit: Ayton would be a good get, but seriously, do we need 5 centers?)

We could move some of them. Maybe move on from Doke. Cockburn is signed only as a 10 day iirc.
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Post#29 » by red4hf » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:20 pm

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Pat Bev will likely be bought out cheap, Beasley might be more and all it takes is one of those firsts to send Conley for a contract that is a lot less.


Why buy him out when you can probably trade him and get back something?

IMO, we need a guy like Pat Beverly.


If we're going to try to compete (even for playoffs), sure..... If not, get something for him......
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Post#30 » by zero24gravity » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:20 pm

winforlose wrote:KAT was never a 5. I have been saying this since seeing him as rookie. He has always been a 4. Last year in the offseason he dropped a ton of weight to increase speed. Even with the weight he couldn’t play post defense and avoid foul trouble. Since losing it he cannot play post defense at all against bigs. Rudy will secure the paint and allow KAT to defend in space. He has proven surprisingly good at it. The pairing will keep KAT out of foul trouble and increase our win rate. On offense nobody can guard KAT straight on. The doubles will let Rudy feast in the dunkers spot and with put backs. It will be scary good. Add Ant and Dlo to that mix with guys like McDaniels and Nowell and we will win games.

I still think we overpaid in picks but I see your point. One interesting question will be whether the Wolves move East in the expansion. Playing you guys twice a year vs four times a year is a big difference maker in assessing this trade. I think the whole NBA is in shock right now. You guys have the assets to get anyone you want to replace Rudy.

P.S V8 is not a center. I was often advocating for him to play the SF. His defense is elite but his size is not. He is skinny and a terrible rim protector. Where he shines is using his length to disrupt passing lanes and his speed to stay in front of wings and guards. He is great at switching and a real first or second team all NBA defender. I want him to do well, I just hope he learns to use his hands better.


You'd know better than me if KAT can guard forwards in space, so I'll take your word for it.

Expansion point is a good one. I'd like to see Gobert more times on TV (not getting many Wolves games around here), but not really against the Jazz.

Agree on Vanderbilt, regarding his position. Just was saying that with the current Jazz roster, he's about all they've got for quality big guys. (Kessler isn't starting, and Doke is just a "no".)
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Post#31 » by wco81 » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:21 pm

Is Donovan happy or unhappy about this trade?
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Post#32 » by winforlose » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:23 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
winforlose wrote:KAT was never a 5. I have been saying this since seeing him as rookie. He has always been a 4. Last year in the offseason he dropped a ton of weight to increase speed. Even with the weight he couldn’t play post defense and avoid foul trouble. Since losing it he cannot play post defense at all against bigs. Rudy will secure the paint and allow KAT to defend in space. He has proven surprisingly good at it. The pairing will keep KAT out of foul trouble and increase our win rate. On offense nobody can guard KAT straight on. The doubles will let Rudy feast in the dunkers spot and with put backs. It will be scary good. Add Ant and Dlo to that mix with guys like McDaniels and Nowell and we will win games.

I still think we overpaid in picks but I see your point. One interesting question will be whether the Wolves move East in the expansion. Playing you guys twice a year vs four times a year is a big difference maker in assessing this trade. I think the whole NBA is in shock right now. You guys have the assets to get anyone you want to replace Rudy.

P.S V8 is not a center. I was often advocating for him to play the SF. His defense is elite but his size is not. He is skinny and a terrible rim protector. Where he shines is using his length to disrupt passing lanes and his speed to stay in front of wings and guards. He is great at switching and a real first or second team all NBA defender. I want him to do well, I just hope he learns to use his hands better.


You'd know better than me if KAT can guard forwards in space, so I'll take your word for it.

Expansion point is a good one. I'd like to see Gobert more times on TV (not getting many Wolves games around here), but not really against the Jazz.

Agree on Vanderbilt, regarding his position. Just was saying that with the current Jazz roster, he's about all they've got for quality big guys. (Kessler isn't starting, and Doke is just a "no".)


I am wondering what’s next for you guys. Do you sell DM and MC and full rebuild? Do you flip the picks for talent and try to retool? Do you run with what you have and see how it goes? I ask because if you are going to rebuild then why not start Kessler. Fastest way too develop him and let’s him get comfortable with your scheme. I know he is a late first but he was a force of nature in college. You might want to go look up the Dane Moore podcast where they talk about him and his game tape. He could turn into a stiff, or he could the next Rudy. He is certainly built for it.
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Post#33 » by zero24gravity » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:31 pm

winforlose wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
winforlose wrote:KAT was never a 5. I have been saying this since seeing him as rookie. He has always been a 4. Last year in the offseason he dropped a ton of weight to increase speed. Even with the weight he couldn’t play post defense and avoid foul trouble. Since losing it he cannot play post defense at all against bigs. Rudy will secure the paint and allow KAT to defend in space. He has proven surprisingly good at it. The pairing will keep KAT out of foul trouble and increase our win rate. On offense nobody can guard KAT straight on. The doubles will let Rudy feast in the dunkers spot and with put backs. It will be scary good. Add Ant and Dlo to that mix with guys like McDaniels and Nowell and we will win games.

I still think we overpaid in picks but I see your point. One interesting question will be whether the Wolves move East in the expansion. Playing you guys twice a year vs four times a year is a big difference maker in assessing this trade. I think the whole NBA is in shock right now. You guys have the assets to get anyone you want to replace Rudy.

P.S V8 is not a center. I was often advocating for him to play the SF. His defense is elite but his size is not. He is skinny and a terrible rim protector. Where he shines is using his length to disrupt passing lanes and his speed to stay in front of wings and guards. He is great at switching and a real first or second team all NBA defender. I want him to do well, I just hope he learns to use his hands better.


You'd know better than me if KAT can guard forwards in space, so I'll take your word for it.

Expansion point is a good one. I'd like to see Gobert more times on TV (not getting many Wolves games around here), but not really against the Jazz.

Agree on Vanderbilt, regarding his position. Just was saying that with the current Jazz roster, he's about all they've got for quality big guys. (Kessler isn't starting, and Doke is just a "no".)


I am wondering what’s next for you guys. Do you sell DM and MC and full rebuild? Do you flip the picks for talent and try to retool? Do you run with what you have and see how it goes? I ask because if you are going to rebuild then why not start Kessler. Fastest way too develop him and let’s him get comfortable with your scheme. I know he is a late first but he was a force of nature in college. You might want to go look up the Dane Moore podcast where they talk about him and his game tape. He could turn into a stiff, or he could the next Rudy. He is certainly built for it.


I'd be shocked if the team moved Mitchell. I think they are re-tooling around him, and while they may take a step back this year, are looking forward a couple years out. If they grab a player like Ayton somehow, who knows ... they may be right back in the mix for top 4 playoff seed this season. DM is under contract 3 more years, so they aren't in jeopardy of losing him for nothing anytime soon. Not to mention, Utah hosts the All Star game, and there have been stories about the team not wanting to be without representation.
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Post#34 » by zero24gravity » Fri Jul 1, 2022 9:35 pm

wco81 wrote:Is Donovan happy or unhappy about this trade?


He's likely "monitoring the situation" lol

To be blunt ... who cares at this point? They traded Royce & didn't resign his childhood friend, Paschall. Yes, they move Rudy, who DM reportedly clashed with, but the FO seems set on re-tooling, not kissing DM's backside. You need to keep your stars happy, I understand... but the players don't get to run the team, or they run it into the ground.

He's under contract for 3 years, and has his own defensive issues to work on. I hope he's happy, and I really like him as a Jazzman, but his happiness with the Jazz's moves are not that high on my list, when it comes to being a Jazzfan, and wanting a title contender.
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Post#35 » by Hoops Addict » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:51 pm

DAMN- we blew it up. Good luck to Rudy.

We get 5 picks and players...good enough haul?

More deal soon to increase the yield?
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Post#36 » by Hoops Addict » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:52 pm

DAMN- we blew it up. Good luck to Rudy.

We get 5 picks and players...good enough haul?

More deal soon to increase the yield?
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Post#37 » by Rauxcee » Fri Jul 1, 2022 10:54 pm

The time to trade Mitchell is now. His value is at it highest. Ayton and Mitchell are a 9 seed at best, and no matter what Mitchell will ask for a trade 2 years from now. Especially as he has made the playoffs every year of his career and now he likely won't. He is not wasting his prime on a team that is rebuilding or retooling.

Hanging on to Mitchell for more than this season is one of the dumbest moves the FO could do.

Also I'm salty right now, so.
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Post#38 » by bkohler » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:10 pm

I do wonder if there’s a argument to be made for holding on to Mitchell, letting him put up video game numbers on a losing team next year and then trying to move him for a top 3 pick post lottery when you know who’s got those picks?

The right team (Houston maybe) that has a market that can keep him might be willing to do the #1 for Mitchell trade to guarantee you Vic without the variability of it?
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Post#39 » by Rauxcee » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:13 pm

bkohler wrote:I do wonder if there’s a argument to be made for holding on to Mitchell, letting him put up video game numbers on a losing team next year and then trying to move him for a top 3 pick post lottery when you know who’s got those picks?

The right team (Houston maybe) that has a market that can keep him might be willing to do the #1 for Mitchell trade to guarantee you Vic without the variability of it?


There is definitely an argument for that. Parade Mitchell around. Potentially increase value, and then trade while value is high and before he lowers ot by asking for a trade. Mitchell plus all those picks we now have can fetch some nice things.
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Post#40 » by Hoops Addict » Fri Jul 1, 2022 11:17 pm

Kessler nbadraft.net evaluation.....9 for size, 9 for defense. Averaged 4.7 blocks a game last year....that is a lot.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/walker-kessler/

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