Reclaimed projects

zero24gravity · Post #21 » by **zero24gravity** » Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:20 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Can't we "reclaim" 23-24 year old players instead of 28-29?

Frank Jackson is 24. Does he count?

Post #22 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:54 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Can't we "reclaim" 23-24 year old players instead of 28-29?

Frank Jackson is 24. Does he count?

I thought he was 25 but yes, either way he counts.

Crunch 99 · Post #23 » by **Crunch 99** » Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:48 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
Crunch 99 wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
Good call on him being a reclamation project. He's got NBA skills. If his shot is respectable, he goes from Trent Forrest 2.0 to becoming a legit NBA rotation player. I haven't heard anything about Sexton's injury situation, but with him not missing the Skills Contest during the weekend, it leads me to think his injury is pretty minor. Even if Sexton is ok, I still hope coach gives the two 10 day guys a real look.

Thanks. I didn't realize Sexton was a participant in All Star weekend.

JC, Sexton & Kessler won the Skills Contest

So Sexton is listed out with a hammy for tonight's game against OKC. He will be out for the Spurs game too, and possibly longer. I would guess he was able to play in the Skills Challenge because he didn't have to hit the gas pedal like he has to in a NBA game.

We may see Dunn play as early as tonight, and at the latest, Saturday.

Collin Sexton update at Rotowire:

Out at Least Two Games
https://www.rotowire.com/basketball/player/collin-sexton-4412
Sexton (hamstring) didn't practice Wednesday and won't play Thursday against the Thunder or Sunday against the Spurs before being re-evaluated Monday.

TNJazz · Post #24 » by **TNJazz** » Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Dunn played well, his defense was solid and he made some timely shots bth off the dribble and a Catch & shoot 3! Could be a nice pickup for the remainder of the season. At least he'll get some burn with the Sexton Hammy problem.

TNJazz · Post #25 » by **TNJazz** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:51 am

The Jazz might have just found one in Dunn. 2 games in, he's looking terrific!

Crunch 99 · Post #26 » by **Crunch 99** » Thu Mar 2, 2023 3:21 pm

The Lottery Pick Gleam Still On Kris Dunn
https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/270650/The-Lottery-Pick-Gleam-Still-On-Kris-Dunn

babyjax13 · Post #27 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:11 am

With how Okogie has been playing in Phoenix, I'd love us to give him a shot in the offseason.

Averaged 16/5/2 in February, maybe there is something there, maybe not. I also like the Dunn signing, we'll see if there is something there.

Crunch 99 · Post #28 » by **Crunch 99** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 1:50 pm

Jazz to sign Kris Dunn to second 10-day contract
https://www.deseret.com/2023/3/4/23624839/utah-jazz-to-sign-kris-dunn-to-second-10-day-contract

bkohler · Post #29 » by **bkohler** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 10:05 pm

What about Jonathan Isaac?

Post #30 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 10:38 pm

bkohler wrote:What about Jonathan Isaac?

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him but the question is what the Jazz would have to give up for him.

Post #31 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Mar 4, 2023 10:38 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:Jazz to sign Kris Dunn to second 10-day contract
https://www.deseret.com/2023/3/4/23624839/utah-jazz-to-sign-kris-dunn-to-second-10-day-contract

Well-deserved. He's been good.

Wolverine · Post #32 » by **Wolverine** » Mon Mar 6, 2023 10:14 am

Thybulle doing well as expected. Seems to be a them with 6ers players like Fultz

SoCalJazzFan · Post #33 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:27 am

Does Obi Toppin count as a reclamation project?

Knicks have their starting PF, and aren't playing Toppin many minutes. It also seems that players could do better once out from under the organaziation (see e.g. Reddish).

Would Toppin be worth the #27 pick, and would the Knicks agree to that? Knicks might need the cap space to resign EQ and avoid tax.
(Edit: Taking on Fournier and giving up Gay and Simone instead or in addition could also be considered. I think Toppin might be ripe for the picking.)

Post #34 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:10 pm

Toppin would count count as a reclamation project but I'm not high on him and wouldn't give up anything of value for him. At most, I'd agree to take him off the Knicks' hands but I would certainly not give any picks, especially FRPs, not to mention attaching other assets to them in the process.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #35 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:17 pm

I think that Toppin has been buried behind Julius and has either been misused, lacked opportunity and/or is losing motivation due to the circumstances. He also had a leg injury this year that kept him out for a little over a month, and which could still be affecting him.

Not only was he the 8th pick in 2020, but his college stats were better than most forwards being considered in the lottery this draft.

As a starter for 10 games in 2021-22 season for the Knicks, he averaged 20.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 3.0 assists, with 43.6% 3pt. His Lebron stats for the 2021-22 season were OLebron +0.95, DLebron +0.29 for an overall +1.24 Lebron. Very good stats, which would place him just below Markk and Kessler on the Jazz this season and way ahead of any other player. It is uncommon that both O and D Lebron stats for a player are positive. He is down this year, but see above statement on his situation.

I think it is well worth the risk of giving up the 27th pick (do we really want 3 rookies at once?) and/or taking on Fournier's expiring contract (which potentially could be flipped and used with the remaining cap space if an opportunity arises next season).

TNJazz · Post #36 » by **TNJazz** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:53 pm

I am not familiar with any of Toppin's recent productive stats, but I do agree, his college stats are stronger than many of the forwards being considered as top level rookies from this year's class. Hardy has been terrific at getting the most out of players, so maybe Toppin would be another successful reclamation/significant improvement project. His 2021-22 Lebron stats are very interesting and if he is able to get back on that track, could be a very successful addition to the team. As far as 3 rookies, recurrently have that with Vontecchio, Kessler and Agbaji, but there comes a time when having too many rookies or young players without significant NBA experience can make ti so the team doesn't improve. 6 first and second year players is a lot for any one team. That's a ton of development and a steep learning curve that is most likely too much. The upside of Toppin seems worth the 27th pick. He's still young but isn't a rookie.

Post #37 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:50 pm

I don't think we are going to draft and then have on the roster 3 rookies next season, but I'd rather try and package some picks and assets and try to move up in the draft rather than spend draft capital on a 25 year old player who can't get minutes on the Knicks.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #38 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:26 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I don't think we are going to draft and then have on the roster 3 rookies next season, but I'd rather try and package some picks and assets and try to move up in the draft rather than spend draft capital on a 25 year old player who can't get minutes on the Knicks.

To be fair, Toppin was drafted into a situation where he has been the backup to Randle, who has won the Most Improved Player award and been an All Star twice in the last 3 years. He also plays for Thibs, who is well known to favor playing vets.

There were rumors that the Pacers were interested in Toppin before the trade deadline, so there might be some competition to acquire him.

Plans for trading up don't always pan out. You can ask Danny Ainge about his past multiple later first round draft picks that he had horded with the Celtics and was unable to trade for a higher draft pick or for future picks.

Post #39 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:47 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:To be fair, Toppin was drafted into a situation where he has been the backup to Randle, who has won the Most Improved Player award and been an All Star twice in the last 3 years. He also plays for Thibs, who is well known to favor playing vets.

That's a fair point.

SoCalJazzFan wrote:There were rumors that the Pacers were interested in Toppin before the trade deadline, so there might be some competition to acquire him.

Maybe. But he's not a player I'd be upset if another team got him instead of the Jazz and he's not someone I'd go into a bidding war over, or feel pressure to obtain just because there might be another suitor.

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Plans for trading up don't always pan out. You can ask Danny Ainge about his past multiple later first round draft picks that he had horded with the Celtics and was unable to trade for a higher draft pick or for future picks.

That's very true. But I'd rather keep my options open rather than diminishing them for a player of his caliber. I guess I'm just not a fan, is the long and short of it. Not that I dislike him or think he sucks but I think there are a lot of players to be had in his position every offseason so I don't feel the pressure to give up anything for him. I'd much rather focus on finding a shot creator at the SF and of SG position, or see what are our options at PG, and see what we can do in free agency. I'll worry about rounding out the roster with complementary bench players later.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #40 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:12 pm

^^ I agree that PG and wing are priorities, but I think that those players come from the draft, particularly the PG, and possibly Clarkson resigned as the SG, or a future trade for a wing if one become available (2 way wings are hard to come by).
Why don't you think Toppin would be a starter?