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Re: Utah Jazz roster business 

Post#21 » by FJS » Wed Jul 3, 2024 3:22 pm

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FJS wrote:If this is our final roster, I'm going to be depressed for a while.
I'm getting old, and I don't have patience to wait 2-3 years sucking waiting for a rise.


FJS - I am probably as old or older than you. I have been following the Jazz since I was 20 (1987). It has been rough following this team since Stockton & Malone. I have bad news for you, it is probably going to be longer than "2-3 years sucking waiting for a rise".

Nobody has commented on DM signing an extension with the Cavs which won't help our 2025 Cavs pick.

Final comment, not sure where to put this but Ainge is now in the middle of his 3rd summer with the Jazz. I don't see Ainge getting 1 or 2 key players to play next to Markkanen this summer and I think most of us are just waiting to see what the Jazz get in return for trading him. The lack of clear direction the past couple of years (not tanking and not making the playoffs) would get a lot of GMs / Presidents fired in this league. I am curious how long of a leash he has with ownership.


:-) you are older than me. I am 44.

But last time Jazz were contending I were 18 (98) so those years are simply too much. 26 years ago!
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Re: Utah Jazz roster business 

Post#22 » by Lava Rock Kid » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:13 am

I believe the jazz have to spend around 25 mil in salary to hit the min. Rather surprised they have done nothing. But it is Danny Ainge
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Post#23 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Jul 4, 2024 12:08 pm

Lava Rock Kid wrote:I believe the jazz have to spend around 25 mil in salary to hit the min. Rather surprised they have done nothing. But it is Danny Ainge

There is plenty of time for that. Ainge tried to land Bridges, Murray and PG13 according to the rumors so it's not like he's done nothing. And frankly, I'd rather the Jazz do almost nothing and roll with what they have. Try to unload Collins and Clarkson but that's about it.
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Re: Utah Jazz roster business 

Post#24 » by Fido » Fri Jul 5, 2024 2:01 pm

G Taevion Kinsey has landed a 2-way deal with the Jazz. He played on the SLC Stars last year and appeared on a 10-day deal late in the previous season.
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Post#25 » by Jampod » Fri Jul 5, 2024 7:31 pm

August 6th is a big deadline for the Jazz and Markkannen. If we sign him on August 6th, Lauri is eligible to be trade sixth months following. However, the trade deadline is February 6th 2025. So, if we do sign him on the sixth of August, he’s eligible to traded for one day only. If we R & E Lauri any time after August 6th, he will ineligible for a trade until next offseason.
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Post#26 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jul 5, 2024 8:05 pm

Jampod wrote:August 6th is a big deadline for the Jazz and Markkannen. If we sign him on August 6th, Lauri is eligible to be trade sixth months following. However, the trade deadline is February 6th 2025. So, if we do sign him on the sixth of August, he’s eligible to traded for one day only. If we R & E Lauri any time after August 6th, he will ineligible for a trade until next offseason.

I thought August 6th isn't a deadline but a starting point - that's the earliest the Jazz can re-negotiate Markkanen's contract (I think it's August 7th actually).

Heat Interested In Trading For Lauri Markkanen
The Jazz are listening to trade offers on Markkanen ahead of a possible renegotiate-and-extend deal with him when they are allowed to do so in August.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276552/Heat-Interested-In-Trading-For-Lauri-Markkanen

Check the 25:00 mark.

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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?

The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Re: Utah Jazz roster business 

Post#27 » by Jampod » Fri Jul 5, 2024 10:45 pm

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Jampod wrote:August 6th is a big deadline for the Jazz and Markkannen. If we sign him on August 6th, Lauri is eligible to be trade sixth months following. However, the trade deadline is February 6th 2025. So, if we do sign him on the sixth of August, he’s eligible to traded for one day only. If we R & E Lauri any time after August 6th, he will ineligible for a trade until next offseason.

I thought August 6th isn't a deadline but a starting point - that's the earliest the Jazz can re-negotiate Markkanen's contract (I think it's August 7th actually).

Heat Interested In Trading For Lauri Markkanen
The Jazz are listening to trade offers on Markkanen ahead of a possible renegotiate-and-extend deal with him when they are allowed to do so in August.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276552/Heat-Interested-In-Trading-For-Lauri-Markkanen

Check the 25:00 mark.



I’ve heard August 6 and August 7th from two different nba voices. One was probably Locke and the other was Fischer. You’re probably right about it being a starting point though.
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Post#28 » by vtime » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:31 pm

Paul Reed is available again and this time likely cheaper than the offer last summer.
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Post#29 » by Inigo Montoya » Sat Jul 6, 2024 7:40 pm

vtime wrote:Paul Reed is available again and this time likely cheaper than the offer last summer.

The Sixers matched the Jazz's offer last summer so the cost would be exactly the same. But since acquiring him will require a trade, if the Jazz give anything in return then he'd actually be more expensive overall (original contract+additional assets).

Didn't see he was waved.
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The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Post#30 » by AingesBurner » Sun Jul 7, 2024 4:18 pm

vtime wrote:Paul Reed is available again and this time likely cheaper than the offer last summer.


After what he said about Utah, let him burn.
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Post#31 » by ForeverRDjazz » Sun Jul 7, 2024 5:25 pm

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vtime wrote:Paul Reed is available again and this time likely cheaper than the offer last summer.


After what he said about Utah, let him burn.

I think he said it more to be welcomed back to 76ers after they matched jazz offer. Sure he was thankful for the contract Utah offered him. But it now looks like he lost out of the last two years of that deal for 6ers not getting far enough to keep him, saving them 28 million plus fines/penalty for money on the books. Sure he's now wishing the 76ers had NOT matched the offer.
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Re: Utah Jazz roster business 

Post#32 » by Inigo Montoya » Sun Jul 7, 2024 5:52 pm

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vtime wrote:Paul Reed is available again and this time likely cheaper than the offer last summer.


After what he said about Utah, let him burn.

What did he say?

Regardless, he's not needed. Eubanks was already signed as the 3rd (4th? 5th?) center, and we have Collins (Hardy plays him as a C), Kessler, Eubanks and now Flip. Other than Kessler, all of them can also play PF so things aren't much better at PF with Lauri, Hendricks, Lofton, and even Bazely.

The fit isn't there anymore, if it ever was.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?

The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Post#33 » by AingesBurner » Sun Jul 7, 2024 6:10 pm

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AingesBurner wrote:
vtime wrote:Paul Reed is available again and this time likely cheaper than the offer last summer.


After what he said about Utah, let him burn.

What did he say?

Regardless, he's not needed. Eubanks was already signed as the 3rd (4th? 5th?) center, and we have Collins (Hardy plays him as a C), Kessler, Eubanks and now Flip. Other than Kessler, all of them can also play PF so things aren't much better at PF with Lauri, Hendricks, Lofton, and even Bazely.

The fit isn't there anymore, if it ever was.


Basically that Utah is a boring dump. Utah is laughing now.
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Re: Utah Jazz roster business 

Post#34 » by Lava Rock Kid » Mon Jul 8, 2024 8:06 pm

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Lava Rock Kid wrote:I believe the jazz have to spend around 25 mil in salary to hit the min. Rather surprised they have done nothing. But it is Danny Ainge

There is plenty of time for that. Ainge tried to land Bridges, Murray and PG13 according to the rumors so it's not like he's done nothing. And frankly, I'd rather the Jazz do almost nothing and roll with what they have. Try to unload Collins and Clarkson but that's about it.


Plenty of time? So we are going to pay big money for leftover players? Ainge has failed again in “big game hunting” and it looks like he is now looking to trade mark so the last two years were a waste.
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Post#35 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:58 am

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Lava Rock Kid wrote:I believe the jazz have to spend around 25 mil in salary to hit the min. Rather surprised they have done nothing. But it is Danny Ainge

There is plenty of time for that. Ainge tried to land Bridges, Murray and PG13 according to the rumors so it's not like he's done nothing. And frankly, I'd rather the Jazz do almost nothing and roll with what they have. Try to unload Collins and Clarkson but that's about it.


Plenty of time? So we are going to pay big money for leftover players? Ainge has failed again in “big game hunting” and it looks like he is now looking to trade mark so the last two years were a waste.

Ainge tried to get some big name players. It didn't work. Because of that, there is plenty of time to round up the roster of a team that is likely to be intentionally bad next season. What would help preventing the Jazz from paying big money for meh players is if they manage to re-negotiate Markkanen's contract, which would help reach the required 90% of the cap. If that happens, there will be no need to dole out money to mediocre players and to get those there is plenty of time. And if the Jazz will have to give big money to leftover player then hopefully it would be for a one or two season deal with a team option on the second year.

And while I would have liked some things to be different, I wouldn't say the last two years were a waste if the Jazz trade Markkanen. In that time they got Kessler, George, Sensei, Williams, Colliers, Flip, and Hendricks, while increasing the value of Sexton and especially Markkanen, whose value has appreciated greatly.
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Post#36 » by Inigo Montoya » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:07 pm

AingesBurner wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
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After what he said about Utah, let him burn.

What did he say?

Regardless, he's not needed. Eubanks was already signed as the 3rd (4th? 5th?) center, and we have Collins (Hardy plays him as a C), Kessler, Eubanks and now Flip. Other than Kessler, all of them can also play PF so things aren't much better at PF with Lauri, Hendricks, Lofton, and even Bazely.

The fit isn't there anymore, if it ever was.


Basically that Utah is a boring dump. Utah is laughing now.

Detroit just claimed him off wavers so he is duly punished.
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The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Post#37 » by Fido » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:19 pm

Utah may end up using a chunk of their cap space to renegotiate/extend Markkanen come August 6. If he is not signed by August 6, he won't be eligible to be traded by the trading deadline, making him not available until the 2025 offseason.
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Post#39 » by vryadli » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:46 pm

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Ainge tried to get some big name players. It didn't work.



It would be more specific, if you tell "it couldn't work". I don't remember bona fide winn-type star to go to the bottom feeder with weakest defense and no future. Thoug. some "big name" of a aged primadonna type did kind of that, but even those went rather to middle-tier teams.
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