The Jazz have a problem: They're not that bad.

[FJS]

Well... yes, we are that bad.

[Inigo Montoya]

Yeah, we can lock this thread

[TNJazz]

Only winless team in the league, I think we are that bad...

[WinterSoldier]

We're bad, but also I think the Wolves might also be worse this year than they were last year.

[FJS]

After Stockton and Malone we were able to sign Boozer & Okur and Draft Williams.
After Sloan left and traded Williams, (With Hayward already drafted) we were able to take Favors, draft Kanter, Burks and later Gobert. Those young guys were much more promising than those one. We already had Milsap and we traded for Jefferson.
Once Hayward left, we have an instant star in Mitchell.
We traded Gobert & Mitchell, and although the team looked poor, they were good enough to make playoffs... but we destroyed them.
Last year more or less the same.
I hope it's worthy, because Hendricks, Keyonte, Williams, Sensabaugh don't look worthy at all. Flip and Collier I'm not sure. We had some young guys (or at least not too old) like Fontecchio, Vanderbilt, Agbaji to name a few playing better than those guys. Plus we gifted some veterans like Olynyk, Conley or Beasley who were much better than those youngs.
Only time will tell, but our own picks (Hendricks and Williams) doesn't look great. Hendricks (injury aside) looks like vanderbilt, and Williams right now doesn't look an nba player.
Only time will tell.

[MalonesElbows]

After Stockton and Malone we were able to sign Boozer & Okur and Draft Williams.
After Sloan left and traded Williams, (With Hayward already drafted) we were able to take Favors, draft Kanter, Burks and later Gobert. Those young guys were much more promising than those one. We already had Milsap and we traded for Jefferson.
Once Hayward left, we have an instant star in Mitchell.
We traded Gobert & Mitchell, and although the team looked poor, they were good enough to make playoffs... but we destroyed them.
Last year more or less the same.
I hope it's worthy, because Hendricks, Keyonte, Williams, Sensabaugh don't look worthy at all. Flip and Collier I'm not sure. We had some young guys (or at least not too old) like Fontecchio, Vanderbilt, Agbaji to name a few playing better than those guys. Plus we gifted some veterans like Olynyk, Conley or Beasley who were much better than those youngs.
Only time will tell, but our own picks (Hendricks and Williams) doesn't look great. Hendricks (injury aside) looks like vanderbilt, and Williams right now doesn't look an nba player.
Only time will tell.

I know the draft is a crap shoot, but if Hendricks, Williams, and George all bust it doesn't speak well for management and our scouts.

[WinterSoldier]

After Stockton and Malone we were able to sign Boozer & Okur and Draft Williams.
After Sloan left and traded Williams, (With Hayward already drafted) we were able to take Favors, draft Kanter, Burks and later Gobert. Those young guys were much more promising than those one. We already had Milsap and we traded for Jefferson.
Once Hayward left, we have an instant star in Mitchell.
We traded Gobert & Mitchell, and although the team looked poor, they were good enough to make playoffs... but we destroyed them.
Last year more or less the same.
I hope it's worthy, because Hendricks, Keyonte, Williams, Sensabaugh don't look worthy at all. Flip and Collier I'm not sure. We had some young guys (or at least not too old) like Fontecchio, Vanderbilt, Agbaji to name a few playing better than those guys. Plus we gifted some veterans like Olynyk, Conley or Beasley who were much better than those youngs.
Only time will tell, but our own picks (Hendricks and Williams) doesn't look great. Hendricks (injury aside) looks like vanderbilt, and Williams right now doesn't look an nba player.
Only time will tell.

I know the draft is a crap shoot, but if Hendricks, Williams, and George all bust it doesn't speak well for management and our scouts.

They really aren't meant to be stars they were drafted in the supplemental range of the draft. This year and next year drafts is where we need to draft stars. If Hendricks, Williams, and George can become useful role players or added value in a trade then they've been useful assets IMO.

[Daddy 801]

Everything looks on tract to me. Hendricks going down really blows. But the rooks will get even more playing time. So that’s a positive out a giant negative. We need to be this bad for two years to fully tank correctly.

Buckle up for a couple terrible years.

[tugs]

Collier debut incoming?

[Inigo Montoya]

Collier debut incoming?

Could be. Until now he was injured but now he's listed as GTD. I'm curious to see if he's a good floor general who can run a team.

[bkohler]

Buckle up for a couple terrible years.

I'd be wiling to bet we're in the bottom 5 for the next three years, two of them on purpose and the third by accident.

[Daddy 801]

Buckle up for a couple terrible years.

I'd be wiling to bet we're in the bottom 5 for the next three years, two of them on purpose and the third by accident.

Could happen. That’s the potential price we pay to take the risk to really tank and get good picks. Or we could be like OKC where we jump to a great team with a ton of youth. But the only path to a potential championship team is tanking and I am all for it.

[tugs]

Man Jazz is too good to tank, and not too competitive to make some noise.

Just play the youth, Coach Hardy. Washington is doing it right

[Cappy_Smurf]

Buckle up for a couple terrible years.

I'd be wiling to bet we're in the bottom 5 for the next three years, two of them on purpose and the third by accident.

These are best case scenarios. It's more likely we'll be bad for 5+ years. Even if you draft future all-stars in the next 2 drafts, most players take a few years to develop. Wemby is the most hyped player in years, and he is nowhere close to dominating in his 2nd year. It's also just as easy to draft the next Ayton, Wiseman, Scoot, etc. The draft is ABSOLUTELY a crap shoot. Assuming we will draft 2 MVPs who will immediately be taking us to the playoffs in their 1st, 2nd year is a pipe dream.

Nothing wrong with dreaming I guess. My dream is that we draft Flagg and then trade picks for a star level player to make a big 3 of Lauri/Flagg/3rd star. Is this scenario we are back to competing next year.

[babyjax13]

wish we'd have drafted Kyshawn George like I was desperate for lol. Other than Keyonte who I liked a lot (and has been abysmal interspersed with short, great stretches) the team has drafted guys that I just really don't love as prospects. But then, I've always hated Danny's drafting and he has multiple championships. Hopefully the trust is justified. I don't mind losing a ton and collecting picks, at least we have a direction, but we should have picked it a year and a half ago when we could have gotten 3-4 1sts for Lauri and started tanking.

[Catchall]

wish we'd have drafted Kyshawn George like I was desperate for lol. Other than Keyonte who I liked a lot (and has been abysmal interspersed with short, great stretches) the team has drafted guys that I just really don't love as prospects. But then, I've always hated Danny's drafting and he has multiple championships. Hopefully the trust is justified. I don't mind losing a ton and collecting picks, at least we have a direction, but we should have picked it a year and a half ago when we could have gotten 3-4 1sts for Lauri and started tanking.

There were players in the mid-1st round, like George, Ware, Carrington, etc., that were going to be nice picks. The Jazz didn't have a pick in that range. I still like the Cody Williams pick, but he needs a lot of development to fulfill his potential. If the Jazz weren't tanking, Cody likely wouldn't be getting minutes and would be sent to the Gleague.

[babyjax13]

wish we'd have drafted Kyshawn George like I was desperate for lol. Other than Keyonte who I liked a lot (and has been abysmal interspersed with short, great stretches) the team has drafted guys that I just really don't love as prospects. But then, I've always hated Danny's drafting and he has multiple championships. Hopefully the trust is justified. I don't mind losing a ton and collecting picks, at least we have a direction, but we should have picked it a year and a half ago when we could have gotten 3-4 1sts for Lauri and started tanking.

There were players in the mid-1st round, like George, Ware, Carrington, etc., that were going to be nice picks. The Jazz didn't have a pick in that range. I still like the Cody Williams pick, but he needs a lot of development to fulfill his potential. If the Jazz weren't tanking, Cody likely wouldn't be getting minutes and would be sent to the Gleague.

I had Kyshawn George #2 on my board, so I would have picked him over Williams - don't mind Cody, though, just not completely enamored.

[Inigo Montoya]

So far it's been a really bad draft as a whole. Not a lot of players to be excited about. It looks like Flip might actually turn out to be one of the better players in this draft.