Having Korver makes the Jazz a significantly better team.
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Korver isnt' afraid to shoot. In fact, he's rather fearless. You can't say that about Giri, being afraid to shoot was the primary reason he got all those traveling calls.
"Thibs called back and wanted more picks," said Jorge Sedano. "And Pat Riley, literally, I was told, called him a mother-bleeper and hung up the phone."
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Batronuj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That is seriously amazing. 1 free throw, and yes red4hf, that was pwnage.
Not necessarily...I feel Sloan shattered Giri's confidence in doing the things he was naturally good at. I noticed it when we first got Giri and he would light it up from outside and was a very fiery player. Then Sloan started yanking him and chewing him out and going to the media and complaining about him and the next thing you knew we didnt have a basketball player rather Sloan had a dog he liked to kick around....
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Malone Strong wrote:Not necessarily...I feel Sloan shattered Giri's confidence in doing the things he was naturally good at. I noticed it when we first got Giri and he would light it up from outside and was a very fiery player. Then Sloan started yanking him and chewing him out and going to the media and complaining about him and the next thing you knew we didnt have a basketball player rather Sloan had a dog he liked to kick around....
Oh, come on. One free throw attempt in 279 minutes. For a guy who had the ball in his hands plenty when he was on the court. There's just no way that's all Sloan's fault. (At least his percentage was 100%.)
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Batronuj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That is seriously amazing. 1 free throw, and yes red4hf, that was pwnage.
Are you stupid? Giricek would get instantly yanked out of a game if he took more than 1 dribble before taking a shot....... Exactly, how many free throws are you going to be able to shoot in those situations?
Look at their careers, Giricek attempted about 1.4 times the number of free throws per minute than Korver......
And, by the way, to back up my point, when Giri was first in Utah, the 03-04 season, when he was at his most effective, he had the highest free-throw-per-minute-played average of his career....... And then Jerry started playing his little mind games.......
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track86 wrote:Yeah, It must have been all Sloan's fault, because since he's been in Pliadelphia he's been lighting it up.
I don't think Sloan was the one that taught him to move his pivot foot back when he was about to drive. It seemed like he got called for for traveling at least twice per game.
Why would Philadelphia be playing Giri? They are not going to make the playoffs, they traded for him to free up cap and they want to develop their young guys.......
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I don't think you can judge Giricek's slashing ability on the basis of the number of free throws he has attempted this year and I don't think you can judge him as a player based on what he has done this year, or even the last two or three years. He is a better player than Sloan ever allowed him to be after his first half season with the team and Philadelphia has no reason to play him; they're not going anywhere right now and they have young players to develop. That is a fact.
However, Korver is a better shooter with a much quicker release and better range and a much better fit for this team. We certainly are a better team now than we were early on in the season now that he's on the team. That is also a fact.
However, Korver is a better shooter with a much quicker release and better range and a much better fit for this team. We certainly are a better team now than we were early on in the season now that he's on the team. That is also a fact.
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d-will8 wrote: He is a better player than Sloan ever allowed him to be after his first half season with the team
The person most responsible for his cut in playing time was Giricek.
2003-04 -his contract year.
At Orlando 30 minutes 10.2 points
At Utah 24 minutes 13.5 points.
2004-05
After getting a fat contract his minutes went down by 4 per game and his production suffered as his cutting plays short became worse. In the other thread there is an article I posted from 2005 where Sloan and Gordie talked about this. There is also Giricek himself admitting he cut the plays short.
His competition those two years was Raja Bell who played more in the offense. If Giricek wanted it, he should of stepped up his game like Bell did.
Korver is a better fit here.
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In the other thread there is an article I posted from 2005 where Sloan and Gordie talked about this. There is also Giricek himself admitting he cut the plays short.
yeah, you also posted the article about Giricek saying he was disrispected by Sloan constantly, but somehow, no one believes that part.......
His competition those two years was Raja Bell who played more in the offense. If Giricek wanted it, he should of stepped up his game like Bell did.
Yeah, the problem is Giricek was a much better defender than Bell (and the numbers support this), and yet somehow both Sloan and the media made it seem as though Bell was an all world defender and Giri sucked......
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http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/0,5223,600117855,00.html
What Sloan said he'd like to see more from Giricek, though, is not talk but execution.
"He can get shots off," Sloan said. "His biggest problem is he doesn't really understand what we're doing at times."
Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiesa explained: "What Jerry means by that is the ability to stay mentally with the execution-part of the play. That's very common."
Chiesa said some players
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sodapop wrote:http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/0,5223,600117855,00.html
What Sloan said he'd like to see more from Giricek, though, is not talk but execution.
"He can get shots off," Sloan said. "His biggest problem is he doesn't really understand what we're doing at times."
Jazz assistant coach Gordon Chiesa explained: "What Jerry means by that is the ability to stay mentally with the execution-part of the play. That's very common."
Chiesa said some players
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red4hf wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Huh? I don't think Giricek really cares what Tyrone Cobin thinks about him....... Obviously he was talking about Sloan.......
Bell was bad in Utah, per minute played he averaged less assists than Giri and yet somehow gets the reputation of "playing within the system", pure nonsense........
During the 2003-05 years Gordie coached the guards, not Corbin. Gordie, Sloan, and Miller all called out Giricek for the same thing. You can't put words in Giriceks mouth that were not in the quote. It's opinion who he was asking to treat him like a man. Whatever that means.
During the two years Giricek and Bell shared the shooting guard spot, Bell had 198 assists, and Giricek had 179. Assists are not the only measure to use when a fan is determining if a player is running the offense. The word of the coaches should carry the bulk of the weight.
Does anyone really think that we were better off with Giricek instead of Korver?
