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Post#201 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:31 am

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GobertReport wrote:Julius Randle had some stellar stats and shot well from 3, me thinks he could be an underrated pick up.


If this year's shooting isn't a fluke, and he can improve on it, I'd be intrigued. Prior to this year though he's been about as good at the 3 as Favors.


He's been a bad defender in New Orleans, but I think he'd be perfect for us.
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Post#202 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:32 am

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Rauxcee wrote:
GobertReport wrote:Julius Randle had some stellar stats and shot well from 3, me thinks he could be an underrated pick up.


If this year's shooting isn't a fluke, and he can improve on it, I'd be intrigued. Prior to this year though he's been about as good at the 3 as Favors.


He's been a bad defender in New Orleans, but I think he'd be perfect for us.



He would be a great fit and allow us to spend money on other FA’s.
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Post#203 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:36 am

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Rauxcee wrote:
If this year's shooting isn't a fluke, and he can improve on it, I'd be intrigued. Prior to this year though he's been about as good at the 3 as Favors.


He's been a bad defender in New Orleans, but I think he'd be perfect for us.



He would be a great fit and allow us to spend money on other FA’s.


Maybe, maybe not. Everyone has cap space, as a second-tier free agent, he might get quite a bit of interest. My bet would be $20 million a year?
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Post#204 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:40 am

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
He's been a bad defender in New Orleans, but I think he'd be perfect for us.



He would be a great fit and allow us to spend money on other FA’s.


Maybe, maybe not. Everyone has cap space, as a second-tier free agent, he might get quite a bit of interest. My bet would be $20 million a year?


I think that amount as well but that would leave Utah with another 20 to spend right?
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Post#205 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:41 am

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:

He would be a great fit and allow us to spend money on other FA’s.


Maybe, maybe not. Everyone has cap space, as a second-tier free agent, he might get quite a bit of interest. My bet would be $20 million a year?


I think that amount as well but that would leave Utah with another 20 to spend right?


With renouncing Favors and all our capholds (Rubio, etc.) we'd have $13.7 million left.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#206 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:44 am

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. Everyone has cap space, as a second-tier free agent, he might get quite a bit of interest. My bet would be $20 million a year?


I think that amount as well but that would leave Utah with another 20 to spend right?


With renouncing Favors and all our capholds (Rubio, etc.) we'd have $13.7 million left.


Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.
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Post#207 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:47 am

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
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I think that amount as well but that would leave Utah with another 20 to spend right?


With renouncing Favors and all our capholds (Rubio, etc.) we'd have $13.7 million left.


Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.


Just to clarify, that's after signing Randle, too. But that's correct. I wouldn't want to trade Dante, though. Perhaps I'm crazy.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#208 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:48 am

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
With renouncing Favors and all our capholds (Rubio, etc.) we'd have $13.7 million left.


Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.


Just to clarify, that's after signing Randle, too. But that's correct. I wouldn't want to trade Dante, though. Perhaps I'm crazy.


Me either, could Jeremy Lamb be had for 13.7 mill? Sign Dedmon to the MLE and trade for Joe Harris.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#209 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:53 am

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.


Just to clarify, that's after signing Randle, too. But that's correct. I wouldn't want to trade Dante, though. Perhaps I'm crazy.


Me either, could Jeremy Lamb be had for 13.7 mill? Sign Dedmon to the MLE and trade for Joe Harris.


I can't imagine why Brooklyn would trade Harris. I'd assume that Lamb would be had for that. I'd love Dedmon, but he's either a) getting more than the MLE, or b) he'll be the top player on the MLE market (my bet, Golden State).
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#210 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:40 am

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
I think that amount as well but that would leave Utah with another 20 to spend right?


With renouncing Favors and all our capholds (Rubio, etc.) we'd have $13.7 million left.


Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.


Forgot that Neto and Niang are ung. That gets us up to $37.5 million in cap space.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#211 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:44 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Just to clarify, that's after signing Randle, too. But that's correct. I wouldn't want to trade Dante, though. Perhaps I'm crazy.


Me either, could Jeremy Lamb be had for 13.7 mill? Sign Dedmon to the MLE and trade for Joe Harris.


I can't imagine why Brooklyn would trade Harris. I'd assume that Lamb would be had for that. I'd love Dedmon, but he's either a) getting more than the MLE, or b) he'll be the top player on the MLE market (my bet, Golden State).


Wishful thinking they might for a 1st.
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Post#212 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:50 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
With renouncing Favors and all our capholds (Rubio, etc.) we'd have $13.7 million left.


Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.


Forgot that Neto and Niang are ung. That gets us up to $37.5 million in cap space.


17.5 might get us Bogdan? Try to send a 1st for Joe Harris.

Mitchell-Exum-Bogdan-Randall-Gobert with Crowder, Ingles, and Harris off the bench.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#213 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:32 pm

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Me either, could Jeremy Lamb be had for 13.7 mill? Sign Dedmon to the MLE and trade for Joe Harris.


I can't imagine why Brooklyn would trade Harris. I'd assume that Lamb would be had for that. I'd love Dedmon, but he's either a) getting more than the MLE, or b) he'll be the top player on the MLE market (my bet, Golden State).


Wishful thinking they might for a 1st.


I think it's wishful thinking. They are good, and he's one of the main reasons.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#214 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:33 pm

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
Not a whole lot unless we include Exum in a sign and trade.


Forgot that Neto and Niang are ung. That gets us up to $37.5 million in cap space.


17.5 might get us Bogdan? Try to send a 1st for Joe Harris.

Mitchell-Exum-Bogdan-Randall-Gobert with Crowder, Ingles, and Harris off the bench.


Bogdan isn't a free agent, Bojan is, though :wink:
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Post#215 » by AingesBurner » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:42 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Forgot that Neto and Niang are ung. That gets us up to $37.5 million in cap space.


17.5 might get us Bogdan? Try to send a 1st for Joe Harris.

Mitchell-Exum-Bogdan-Randall-Gobert with Crowder, Ingles, and Harris off the bench.


Bogdan isn't a free agent, Bojan is, though :wink:


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Post#216 » by babyjax13 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:46 pm

GobertReport wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
17.5 might get us Bogdan? Try to send a 1st for Joe Harris.

Mitchell-Exum-Bogdan-Randall-Gobert with Crowder, Ingles, and Harris off the bench.


Bogdan isn't a free agent, Bojan is, though :wink:


One of those two needs to change names to Bob.


I like Bojan a lot, and I think he'd be a great fit for us off the bench. I think that a starting lineup with him and Randle likely makes Rudy a bit less effective defensively. I also think Indiana is going to pay as much as any sane offer, and he has fit so amazingly there, that he won't leave. If we did guarantee Korver and he was willing to come back on the minimum, we *might* be able to steal Bledsoe, but I think it would take more than $23 million unless it is a long term deal.
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Post#217 » by stitches » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:36 am

@KqWIN Julius Randle is worse record scratch than the worst version hesitant Rubio. If you truly hate players refusing to take WIDE OPEN 3s(like... noone 10-15 feet around him), I don't see why you think he's the solution for this team. Hell... even Favors doesn't hesitate and refuse to shoot those 3s as much as Randle.
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Post#218 » by KqWIN » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:10 am

stitches wrote:@KqWIN Julius Randle is worse record scratch than the worst version hesitant Rubio. If you truly hate players refusing to take WIDE OPEN 3s(like... noone 10-15 feet around him), I don't see why you think he's the solution for this team. Hell... even Favors doesn't hesitate and refuse to shoot those 3s as much as Randle.


:lol: I guess you're watching the game too. Yeah, that one at the end of the corner was bad. But he's also shot seven 3's this game, and he has 35 points and counting. Favors is literally the worst 3 point shooter in the league, so anything is an improvement anyways. Favors also has no ability to pass or put the ball on the floor, which is a big difference from Randle. You back off 15 feet, Randle can still score. Favors can do a dribble hand off.

I never said that Randle is the solution...but he is by far the best shot creator/scorer we can feasibly get. (Harris and Middleton are not obtainable in my opinion). Scoring is a bigger issue than shooting. We have three above average usage players, and they are all very inefficient. He would instantly be the best scorer on the team and he has so much room for improvement. I would much rather take a flier on him than overpaying our own players who we know for sure don't work.

Seriously, what else are we using that money on? Mirotic is probably a better fit and a better player as of now, but he does not have upside. Randle has upside. If you have better alternatives, I am all ears. The last time I asked for plans for the off season, Dellavadova got brought up!
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Post#219 » by stitches » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:22 am

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stitches wrote:@KqWIN Julius Randle is worse record scratch than the worst version hesitant Rubio. If you truly hate players refusing to take WIDE OPEN 3s(like... noone 10-15 feet around him), I don't see why you think he's the solution for this team. Hell... even Favors doesn't hesitate and refuse to shoot those 3s as much as Randle.


:lol: I guess you're watching the game too. Yeah, that one at the end of the corner was bad. But he's also shot seven 3's this game, and he has 35 points and counting. Favors is literally the worst 3 point shooter in the league, so anything is an improvement anyways. Favors also has no ability to pass or put the ball on the floor, which is a big difference from Randle. You back off 15 feet, Randle can still score. Favors can do a dribble hand off.

I never said that Randle is the solution...but he is by far the best shot creator/scorer we can feasibly get. (Harris and Middleton are not obtainable in my opinion). Scoring is a bigger issue than shooting. We have three above average usage players, and they are all very inefficient. He would instantly be the best scorer on the team and he has so much room for improvement. I would much rather take a flier on him than overpaying our own players who we know for sure don't work.

Seriously, what else are we using that money on? Mirotic is probably a better fit and a better player as of now, but he does not have upside. Randle has upside. If you have better alternatives, I am all ears. The last time I asked for plans for the off season, Dellavadova got brought up!

max Russell? pry away Brogdon. I don't love maxing Russell, but I think I prefer it over giving 20+ to Randle. I'm just not sold. Randle's biggest strengths will be muted in our system and when playing with Gobert. There will ALWAYS be an additional body in the paint on his bull in china shop escapades. ALWAYS! Gobert doesn't pull defenders away from the rim like... ever. This gets especially problematic if Rubio and/or Exum are playing with him and Gobert. I don't think Randle will be anywhere as efficient scoring the ball playing next to Gobert.
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Post#220 » by KqWIN » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:31 am

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:@KqWIN Julius Randle is worse record scratch than the worst version hesitant Rubio. If you truly hate players refusing to take WIDE OPEN 3s(like... noone 10-15 feet around him), I don't see why you think he's the solution for this team. Hell... even Favors doesn't hesitate and refuse to shoot those 3s as much as Randle.


:lol: I guess you're watching the game too. Yeah, that one at the end of the corner was bad. But he's also shot seven 3's this game, and he has 35 points and counting. Favors is literally the worst 3 point shooter in the league, so anything is an improvement anyways. Favors also has no ability to pass or put the ball on the floor, which is a big difference from Randle. You back off 15 feet, Randle can still score. Favors can do a dribble hand off.

I never said that Randle is the solution...but he is by far the best shot creator/scorer we can feasibly get. (Harris and Middleton are not obtainable in my opinion). Scoring is a bigger issue than shooting. We have three above average usage players, and they are all very inefficient. He would instantly be the best scorer on the team and he has so much room for improvement. I would much rather take a flier on him than overpaying our own players who we know for sure don't work.

Seriously, what else are we using that money on? Mirotic is probably a better fit and a better player as of now, but he does not have upside. Randle has upside. If you have better alternatives, I am all ears. The last time I asked for plans for the off season, Dellavadova got brought up!

max Russell? pry away Brogdon. I don't love maxing Russell, but I think I prefer it over giving 20+ to Randle. I'm just not sold. Randle's biggest strengths will be muted in our system and when playing with Gobert. There will ALWAYS be an additional body in the paint on his bull in china shop escapades. ALWAYS! Gobert doesn't pull defenders away from the rim like... ever. This gets especially problematic if Rubio and/or Exum are playing with him and Gobert. I don't think Randle will be anywhere as efficient scoring the ball playing next to Gobert.


I've watched like 20 games of Randle and the bull in the china shop is working just fine playing guys like Diallo, Okafor, and the garbage perimeter players on Pelicans. Randle can flat out get buckets. I worry more about him holding the ball too long than being able to score with Gobert on the court. Rubio and Exum aren't good enough to prevent you from signing Randle. Plus, if you're signing Randle, Rubio is likely gone anyways and I think it's pretty absurd to make roster decisions based around Exum considering his health and current ability.

I don't consider Russell obtainable either. Even if we max him, BKN will match. Brogdon...maybe. It might take something weird like a 2 year max. Hell, I'd give Bledsoe and Brogdon 2 year max contracts the first day of FA and try to put the squeeze on MIL...but that's a championship level team. If they cheap out, they might as well start taking offers for Giannis.

Even if we wanted Randle, getting him might be a long shot. There isn't any half decent FA I'd feel confident about signing.

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