Trade Ideas for This Season

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Jazz linked to Barnes, Covington and Josh Richardson. Personally, I think Josh Richardson makes a lot of sense.

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[SoCalJazzFan]

Please help me understand all of the love for Harrison Barnes.

He is getting paid $20.3M this year and $18.3M next. His offensive ratings are slightly below Bogey's and his defense is nearly as bad.

We would have to give up at least Bogey or the combo of Clarkson and Gay, and it is reported that they want a FRP. Why would the Kings want these players over Barnes? Why would we want Barnes over these players? Giving up a FRP in addition to these players makes zero sense to me. Convince me otherwise.

[bkohler]

At this point I don't think Clarkson or Gay have positive value (for the team or in trades) so it really boils down to is Barnes worth a first round pick? I think it depends on what first and what the protections are. Barnes may not be as good as Bogey but that doesn't mean he wouldn't increase the ceiling on the team and address some of our most glaring weaknesses . I'm not advocating for him by any means but I think that's the thought process.


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It definitely doesn't feel like this is the way Angie and company are leaning but one of the things that made the Deron Williams trade such a good one was that teams were all fighting for Carmelo. I wonder if the same principle could be applied to the Jermai Grant situation right now with Bogey.

If teams are willing to overpay for Grant and miss out would they use those same assets to over pay for Bogey and help reset the team a bit for the future? Just a thought.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Jazz linked to Barnes, Covington and Josh Richardson. Personally, I think Josh Richardson makes a lot of sense.

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If we could work out a trade where Clarkson goes out and either Josh Richardson or Covington come in, without a FRP, I'm game.

Richardson is appealing as he improves the defense (albeit not tremendously) while not negatively impacting outside shooting. He would be limited to being a wing player, though.

I think I actually prefer Covington as while his outside shot isn't great, it is enough of a threat that you can't just leave him open. He is also big enough to play against larger forwards and even be a small ball center. The defense should improve significantly with him. The thought of a balanced lineup of Gobert/Covington/Bogey/DM/MC, moving Royce to 2nd unit and using Covington in small ball situations is appealling to me.

In either case, we would either need Jared Butler to step up or trade for a reliable backup PG, though.

As mentioned in my prior post, I don't get the fascination with Barnes.

[bkohler]

My gut reaction to a Richardson for Clarkson swap is that it would hurt our shooting but looking at the stats Clarkson has been awful this year from 3 (I didn't really need to look at the stats to know that) and Richardson has been nearly a 40% three pointer shooter.

If Clarkson is all it takes to get Richardson it would be a no brainer for me.

[red4hf]

Please help me understand all of the love for Harrison Barnes.

He is getting paid $20.3M this year and $18.3M next. His offensive ratings are slightly below Bogey's and his defense is nearly as bad.

We would have to give up at least Bogey or the combo of Clarkson and Gay, and it is reported that they want a FRP. Why would the Kings want these players over Barnes? Why would we want Barnes over these players? Giving up a FRP in addition to these players makes zero sense to me. Convince me otherwise.

It's just based on his reputation (his one good year of playoffs) and nothing else.......

[Catchall]

Please help me understand all of the love for Harrison Barnes.

He is getting paid $20.3M this year and $18.3M next. His offensive ratings are slightly below Bogey's and his defense is nearly as bad.

We would have to give up at least Bogey or the combo of Clarkson and Gay, and it is reported that they want a FRP. Why would the Kings want these players over Barnes? Why would we want Barnes over these players? Giving up a FRP in addition to these players makes zero sense to me. Convince me otherwise.

Barnes is an upgrade over Royce O'Neale, which I think is the goal. Barnes has more size/length, has more offense, and he rebounds. What the Jazz are looking for is a player like Rudy Gay, except that he can still play at a solid starter level.

Ingles, Royce and picks would probably be the deal. Maybe we throw in a young player. I don't see the Kings wanting Bogdanovic.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya8v6rkw

Keep in mind, I think Barnes would look like a different and better player when he's on a properly spaced floor with Conley, Mitchell and Rudy. He would get the open looks and open drives that Royce has been getting. Right now, he's playing with a bunch of guys who can't shoot--Fox, Mitchell, Harkless, Bagley, Metu, Len, Holmes, etc.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Jazz linked to Barnes, Covington and Josh Richardson. Personally, I think Josh Richardson makes a lot of sense.

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If we could work out a trade where Clarkson goes out and either Josh Richardson or Covington come in, without a FRP, I'm game.

Richardson is appealing as he improves the defense (albeit not tremendously) while not negatively impacting outside shooting. He would be limited to being a wing player, though.

I think I actually prefer Covington as while his outside shot isn't great, it is enough of a threat that you can't just leave him open. He is also big enough to play against larger forwards and even be a small ball center. The defense should improve significantly with him. The thought of a balanced lineup of Gobert/Covington/Bogey/DM/MC, moving Royce to 2nd unit and using Covington in small ball situations is appealling to me.

In either case, we would either need Jared Butler to step up or trade for a reliable backup PG, though.

As mentioned in my prior post, I don't get the fascination with Barnes.

Richardson is a nice player, shooting so well this season he's a great 3&D role-player. Can score for himself once in awhile. Does Utah have a 1st-round pick to give up? Josh for Clarkson, plus Schroder into your TPE for a 1st would get the Celtics under the tax by a few million.. but Clarkson's money isn't doing them any favors when he's regressed as a shooter..

[zero24gravity]

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So the team's plan to improve the D is to get rid of the team's most willing & versatile defender for a scorer that's only a mediocre defender? It's a talent upgrade, don't get me wrong, but this would signal an "F the D, just outscore them" mentality. Barnes also won't be manning-up PG's, which Royce is often tasked with (unfairly), so Conley better be ready to be our new defensive stopper. Ugh.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Please help me understand all of the love for Harrison Barnes.

He is getting paid $20.3M this year and $18.3M next. His offensive ratings are slightly below Bogey's and his defense is nearly as bad.

We would have to give up at least Bogey or the combo of Clarkson and Gay, and it is reported that they want a FRP. Why would the Kings want these players over Barnes? Why would we want Barnes over these players? Giving up a FRP in addition to these players makes zero sense to me. Convince me otherwise.

Barnes is an upgrade over Royce O'Neale, which I think is the goal. Barnes has more size/length, has more offense, and he rebounds. What the Jazz are looking for is a player like Rudy Gay, except that he can still play at a solid starter level.

Ingles, Royce and picks would probably be the deal. Maybe we throw in a young player. I don't see the Kings wanting Bogdanovic.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya8v6rkw

Keep in mind, I think Barnes would look like a different and better player when he's on a properly spaced floor with Conley, Mitchell and Rudy. He would get the open looks and open drives that Royce has been getting. Right now, he's playing with a bunch of guys who can't shoot--Fox, Mitchell, Harkless, Bagley, Metu, Len, Holmes, etc.

As mentioned by Zerogravity below, this would be giving up on defense on doubling down on offense. Opposing guards could go off on the Jazz.

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So the team's plan to improve the D is to get rid of the team's most willing & versatile defender for a scorer that's only a mediocre defender? It's a talent upgrade, don't get me wrong, but this would signal an "F the D, just outscore them" mentality. Barnes also won't be manning-up PG's, which Royce is often tasked with (unfairly), so Conley better be ready to be our new defensive stopper. Ugh.

If the Jazz move Royce O'Neale, I think the plan would be to bring in someone like Josh Richardson take his role. Jazz also have House, Paschall and Gay to take his minutes, depending on the matchup.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Jazz linked to Barnes, Covington and Josh Richardson. Personally, I think Josh Richardson makes a lot of sense.

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If we could work out a trade where Clarkson goes out and either Josh Richardson or Covington come in, without a FRP, I'm game.

Richardson is appealing as he improves the defense (albeit not tremendously) while not negatively impacting outside shooting. He would be limited to being a wing player, though.

I think I actually prefer Covington as while his outside shot isn't great, it is enough of a threat that you can't just leave him open. He is also big enough to play against larger forwards and even be a small ball center. The defense should improve significantly with him. The thought of a balanced lineup of Gobert/Covington/Bogey/DM/MC, moving Royce to 2nd unit and using Covington in small ball situations is appealling to me.

In either case, we would either need Jared Butler to step up or trade for a reliable backup PG, though.

As mentioned in my prior post, I don't get the fascination with Barnes.

Richardson is a nice player, shooting so well this season he's a great 3&D role-player. Can score for himself once in awhile. Does Utah have a 1st-round pick to give up? Josh for Clarkson, plus Schroder into your TPE for a 1st would get the Celtics under the tax by a few million.. but Clarkson's money isn't doing them any favors when he's regressed as a shooter..

They aren't worth a FRP. Jazz would be doing the Celtics a favor in saving them the $10-$13M in tax. However, Josh Richardson plus Schroder for Clarkson doesn't work salary-wise, so it doesn't matter regardless.

The thought would be Clarkson plus 2nd for Richardson. Maybe Clarkson plus Azubuike for Richardson and Schroder and the Celtics give the Jazz a 2nd for saving them the tax bill.

[bkohler]

At this point I just expect Ingles goes to OKC and Clarkson to New Orleans into their TPE to get the Jazz under the tax. Then we sign House and move along with our lives hoping for addition by subtraction.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we could work out a trade where Clarkson goes out and either Josh Richardson or Covington come in, without a FRP, I'm game.

Richardson is appealing as he improves the defense (albeit not tremendously) while not negatively impacting outside shooting. He would be limited to being a wing player, though.

I think I actually prefer Covington as while his outside shot isn't great, it is enough of a threat that you can't just leave him open. He is also big enough to play against larger forwards and even be a small ball center. The defense should improve significantly with him. The thought of a balanced lineup of Gobert/Covington/Bogey/DM/MC, moving Royce to 2nd unit and using Covington in small ball situations is appealling to me.

In either case, we would either need Jared Butler to step up or trade for a reliable backup PG, though.

As mentioned in my prior post, I don't get the fascination with Barnes.

Richardson is a nice player, shooting so well this season he's a great 3&D role-player. Can score for himself once in awhile. Does Utah have a 1st-round pick to give up? Josh for Clarkson, plus Schroder into your TPE for a 1st would get the Celtics under the tax by a few million.. but Clarkson's money isn't doing them any favors when he's regressed as a shooter..

They aren't worth a FRP. Jazz would be doing the Celtics a favor in saving them the $10-$13M in tax. However, Josh Richardson plus Schroder for Clarkson doesn't work salary-wise, so it doesn't matter regardless.

The thought would be Clarkson plus 2nd for Richardson. Maybe Clarkson plus Azubuike for Richardson and Schroder and the Celtics give the Jazz a 2nd for saving them the tax bill.

Doesn’t Utah have a TPE for 7 million?

[zero24gravity]

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So the team's plan to improve the D is to get rid of the team's most willing & versatile defender for a scorer that's only a mediocre defender? It's a talent upgrade, don't get me wrong, but this would signal an "F the D, just outscore them" mentality. Barnes also won't be manning-up PG's, which Royce is often tasked with (unfairly), so Conley better be ready to be our new defensive stopper. Ugh.

If the Jazz move Royce O'Neale, I think the plan would be to bring in someone like Josh Richardson take his role. Jazz also have House, Paschall and Gay to take his minutes, depending on the matchup.

If so, they still have nobody who can guard actual guards. The 3 you mentioned are all less-equipped than Royce (who does his best, but still struggles). If there's a second trade for Richardson, so you have Barnes & Richardson, losing Royce, Ingles and ____, then things may look a bit better.

[Catchall]

So the team's plan to improve the D is to get rid of the team's most willing & versatile defender for a scorer that's only a mediocre defender? It's a talent upgrade, don't get me wrong, but this would signal an "F the D, just outscore them" mentality. Barnes also won't be manning-up PG's, which Royce is often tasked with (unfairly), so Conley better be ready to be our new defensive stopper. Ugh.

If the Jazz move Royce O'Neale, I think the plan would be to bring in someone like Josh Richardson take his role. Jazz also have House, Paschall and Gay to take his minutes, depending on the matchup.

If so, they still have nobody who can guard actual guards. The 3 you mentioned are all less-equipped than Royce (who does his best, but still struggles). If there's a second trade for Richardson, so you have Barnes & Richardson, losing Royce, Ingles and ____, then things may look a bit better.

I think the Jazz view House and Forrest as their guard defenders, at least off the bench.

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Would be pricey but Covington playing that small ball C role while can also complement as a three ball threat would be nice

Barnes I can't see how his game is different with Bogey's

Richardson can be a more defensively capable version of a point forward Ingles with less shooting, but his driving game makes up for it. As much as it pains me, JC can be replaced by Butler and Hughes. Maybe not this season but definitely in the future

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Barnes I can't see how his game is different with Bogey's

He defends in space and rebounds better than Bogey. He's also better creating with the ball in his hands.