2023 Trade Rumors

mg · Post #241 » by mg » Thu Jun 1, 2023 2:39 pm

bkohler wrote:I think the under current from a bunch of the conversations about trading Lauri is due to the fear of him not resigning in two years. As a fan base I think we’re a little bit shell shocked by both GH and Donovan pushing their way out.

The fear Lauri could walk for absolutely nothing in two years is what makes the 3rd pick and potentially 7 years of team control appealing. Also I love Lauri, but I’m not certain he’s worth the super max that it will take to keep him, which is another input to the conversation.

I completely get the opposing argument which is why I think it would come down to the conversations the Jazz are having behind the scenes. If they have a hint that he’ll walk I could see them making a trade while his value is highest.

Probably.

Actually any draftee could technically be under 8-9 years of team control depending on the type of contract extension they get at the end of their rookie deal.

With that said I don't think any of this year's draft prospects is worth Lauri (with the exception of Wemby but that isn't happening)

I think Ainge can potentially move up to the 5-6 range but it's going to cost picks from his warchest and maybe a young player like Agbaji to do so. I really like Ochai as a 10 year roleplayer in this league but I'd reluctantly include him in a trade up if it means they can potentially draft Whitmore. Ofc that would depend on the FO's evaluation of Whitmore (or Walker, Ausur,etc) that could be available at that slot.

Post #242 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:00 pm

I think some players may be just as good as Markkanen but you never know. Even if they do, trading him to get such a prospect would be a lateral move even if that prospect ends up being as good. It only moves the timeline backwards.

I wouldn't trade Markkanen, makes no sense to me unless the Jazz are going for a really long rebuild. What I'm more concerned about is Locke keeps talking about Cason Wallace for more than a month now. I don't like that pick at #9, it feels like a low upside pick to me. I really hope the Jazz can move up to the 3-5 range. I'd give up Agbaji if that's what it takes.

mg · Post #243 » by mg » Thu Jun 1, 2023 4:52 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I think some players may be just as good as Markkanen but you never know. Even if they do, trading him to get such a prospect would be a lateral move even if that prospect ends up being as good. It only moves the timeline backwards.

I wouldn't trade Markkanen, makes no sense to me unless the Jazz are going for a really long rebuild. What I'm more concerned about is Locke keeps talking about Cason Wallace for more than a month now. I don't like that pick at #9, it feels like a low upside pick to me. I really hope the Jazz can move up to the 3-5 range. I'd give up Agbaji if that's what it takes.

Same.

I had to stop listening to Locke as he's pushing Wallace every single podcast and then goes on to compare him to Marcus Smart. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Boston ends up dealing Smart due to their cap issues. If Ainge wants Smart just make a deal and don't use a #9 pick on that guy. Danny certainly should have a good relationship with the Celtics if he wanted to go that route.

AingesBurner · Post #244 » by **AingesBurner** » Thu Jun 1, 2023 7:05 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I think some players may be just as good as Markkanen but you never know. Even if they do, trading him to get such a prospect would be a lateral move even if that prospect ends up being as good. It only moves the timeline backwards.

I wouldn't trade Markkanen, makes no sense to me unless the Jazz are going for a really long rebuild. What I'm more concerned about is Locke keeps talking about Cason Wallace for more than a month now. I don't like that pick at #9, it feels like a low upside pick to me. I really hope the Jazz can move up to the 3-5 range. I'd give up Agbaji if that's what it takes.

Tony has said if he hits his ceiling then watch out but this pick is all about being a really good rookie to get Luka.

Post #245 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jun 1, 2023 8:08 pm

mg wrote:Same.

I had to stop listening to Locke as he's pushing Wallace every single podcast and then goes on to compare him to Marcus Smart. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Boston ends up dealing Smart due to their cap issues. If Ainge wants Smart just make a deal and don't use a #9 pick on that guy. Danny certainly should have a good relationship with the Celtics if he wanted to go that route.

I'm not really complaining that he keeps mentioning him, I'm just worried because he's known to leak the Jazz's pick every draft and if he's talking about Wallace so much it may mean that's who the Jazz are targeting. So it's not that I'm annoyed he keeps bringing him up, it's just that I worry that he's leaking the Jazz's pick like he does every season and I wouldn't like this pick.

mg · Post #246 » by mg » Fri Jun 2, 2023 3:57 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
mg wrote:Same.

I had to stop listening to Locke as he's pushing Wallace every single podcast and then goes on to compare him to Marcus Smart. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Boston ends up dealing Smart due to their cap issues. If Ainge wants Smart just make a deal and don't use a #9 pick on that guy. Danny certainly should have a good relationship with the Celtics if he wanted to go that route.

I'm not really complaining that he keeps mentioning him, I'm just worried because he's known to leak the Jazz's pick every draft and if he's talking about Wallace so much it may mean that's who the Jazz are targeting. So it's not that I'm annoyed he keeps bringing him up, it's just that I worry that he's leaking the Jazz's pick like he does every season and I wouldn't like this pick.

Wallace would be ok but his ceiling is not as high as Whitmore, Walker, etc types. I think they can get an equally talented kid in the teens. At #9 they are sitting so close to the highly coveted wing prospects and now we know they are bringing Cam in for a personal workout. Maybe Locke had some inside info in the past but I refuse to believe Ainge is tipping his hand here. Maybe I'm wrong but it almost seems Tony Jones has more insight than Locke in regards to any potential future moves by this FO.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #247 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 8:07 pm

I keep wondering if there is a way to get #10 from the Mavs, such as being the dumping ground for Bertans in a multi-team deal. Having 9, 10 and 16 would give the Jazz all kinds of options.

Gert42 · Post #248 » by **Gert42** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 8:49 pm

I don't really want to have Bertans on the books, but I do love the idea of having another pick before OKC at 12 and Toronto at 13 as I see both teams taking a raw prospect the Jazz would like at 16.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #249 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Jun 2, 2023 10:33 pm

Gert42 wrote:I don't really want to have Bertans on the books, but I do love the idea of having another pick before OKC at 12 and Toronto at 13 as I see both teams taking a raw prospect the Jazz would like at 16.

I like the idea of being able to draft a Walker/Hendricks/? forward at #9 and a Wallace/Black/? PG at #10, and then either use #16 for a high risk/reward prospect or to package with #9 or #10 and move up.

Cappy_Smurf · Post #250 » by **Cappy_Smurf** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 7:39 am

bkohler wrote:I think the under current from a bunch of the conversations about trading Lauri is due to the fear of him not resigning in two years. As a fan base I think we’re a little bit shell shocked by both GH and Donovan pushing their way out.

The fear Lauri could walk for absolutely nothing in two years is what makes the 3rd pick and potentially 7 years of team control appealing. Also I love Lauri, but I’m not certain he’s worth the super max that it will take to keep him, which is another input to the conversation.

I completely get the opposing argument which is why I think it would come down to the conversations the Jazz are having behind the scenes. If they have a hint that he’ll walk I could see them making a trade while his value is highest.

1- The concern about being able to re-sign Lauri was one that needed to be addressed while Wemby was in play. By holding on to him and hindering their chance to draft Wemby, they've already made the decision on trying to keep him in Utah. That's why fans should fully expect Utah not to tank this next season. It makes no sense to hold on to Lauri in hopes of re-signing him if the plan is to tank for multiple years. Utah didn't really tank last year. The trade they made at the deadline was somewhat of a tank move, but had more to do with not losing assets for nothing when there was a chance at picking up another lottery pick.

2-Lauri is not supermax eligible by my understanding. I believe he would have to be playing for the team who drafted him or a team that traded for him on his rookie contract.

zero24gravity · Post #251 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 8:00 pm

Saw a Bleacher Report trade idea saying the Jazz should trade the #16 pick (+ Rudy Gay) to the Magic for Cole Anthony. He's a young PG, which is needed. He lost the starting job to Fultz, so I suppose the Magic may be willing to move him. At 6'3" and 23 years old, he's not a terrible fit, but to me he's a low-end starter. Personally, I don't see him being a PG of the future, so I have a hard time getting behind this idea. ... however, if it were for the 28th pick, I'd be much more interested.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #252 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jun 5, 2023 11:32 pm

zero24gravity wrote:Saw a Bleacher Report trade idea saying the Jazz should trade the #16 pick (+ Rudy Gay) to the Magic for Cole Anthony. He's a young PG, which is needed. He lost the starting job to Fultz, so I suppose the Magic may be willing to move him. At 6'3" and 23 years old, he's not a terrible fit, but to me he's a low-end starter. Personally, I don't see him being a PG of the future, so I have a hard time getting behind this idea. ... however, if it were for the 28th pick, I'd be much more interested.

Sounds like a Magic fan wanting a redo of their 2020 15th pick for a 2023 16th pick to me.

Jiipee84 · Post #253 » by **Jiipee84** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:33 pm

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-news-trade-rumors-hawks-dejounte-murray
Should Jazz trade for Dejounte Murray?

D Rog · Post #254 » by **D Rog** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:30 pm

Jiipee84 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-news-trade-rumors-hawks-dejounte-murray
Should Jazz trade for Dejounte Murray?

I brought up the idea in another section.

To answer your question, I have always liked him and would say ABSOLUTELY... But, how much are you giving up to get him?
He can walk after next season. Not sure if the CBA allows Atlanta to extend the contract then trade him.

AingesBurner · Post #255 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:56 pm

D Rog wrote:
Jiipee84 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-news-trade-rumors-hawks-dejounte-murray
Should Jazz trade for Dejounte Murray?

I brought up the idea in another section.

To answer your question, I have always liked him and would say ABSOLUTELY... But, how much are you giving up to get him?
He can walk after next season. Not sure if the CBA allows Atlanta to extend the contract then trade him.

Can’t extend and trade. I’d probably send Atlanta our #28 pick, 2025 CLE pick, and worst of the 2027 Utah picks. Anything more and it’s a bad deal.

babyjax13 · Post #256 » by **babyjax13** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:26 am

I would rather just see who is there at 9 & 16. If I can get Black at 9 I prefer that, or one of Wallace/Schifino/Bufkin at 16. Murray is a flight risk and trading multiple firsts to watch a guy walk again would be really frustrating.

Post #257 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:05 pm

I wish I could find the comment I saw on the General Board but it was by a Spurs fan who said at the time that essentially Murray is not really a PG and is overrated. I can't remember exactly what he said but his post was well-reasoned.

I think we need to ask ourselves what kind of PG are we looking for. Do we want a floor general like CP3/Conley, a big defensive player who probably isn't a very good offensively and has a bad shot like Black, a scoring guard like FVV/Sexton, or any other combination. In other words, do we really need what would be considered a 'traditional' PG, or do we just need a good guard in that spot who doesn't necessarily have that skill but can score and/or defend well.

mg · Post #258 » by mg » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:34 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I wish I could find the comment I saw on the General Board but it was by a Spurs fan who said at the time that essentially Murray is not really a PG and is overrated. I can't remember exactly what he said but his post was well-reasoned.

I think we need to ask ourselves what kind of PG are we looking for. Do we want a floor general like CP3/Conley, a big defensive player who probably isn't a very good offensively and has a bad shot like Black, a scoring guard like FVV/Sexton, or any other combination. In other words, do we really need what would be considered a 'traditional' PG, or do we just need a good guard in that spot who doesn't necessarily have that skill but can score and/or defend well.

Looking at the teams that advanced far in the playoffs really none of them had that #1 lead ballhandler/pure floor general archetype. It might be better to have 2-3 guys on the floor who can handle the ball. Denver's best distributor is Jokic. It's Lebron in LA with a few combo guards such as DLo and Schroeder sprinkled in. It's probably Butler or old man Lowry in Miami. The Celtics have 3 combo guards in Smart, Brogdon, and White. The Warriors have had Draymond doing a chunk of the playmaking for years now.

mg · Post #259 » by mg » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:04 pm

D Rog wrote:
Jiipee84 wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/jazz-news-trade-rumors-hawks-dejounte-murray
Should Jazz trade for Dejounte Murray?

I brought up the idea in another section.

To answer your question, I have always liked him and would say ABSOLUTELY... But, how much are you giving up to get him?
He can walk after next season. Not sure if the CBA allows Atlanta to extend the contract then trade him.

I'm in the minority but prefer the other combo guard who played with Murray in San Antonio, Derrick White. I have no idea if he's even on the trade block but the Celtics will probably need to cut costs somewhere esp if they give Brown his super max extension.

AingesBurner · Post #260 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:57 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I wish I could find the comment I saw on the General Board but it was by a Spurs fan who said at the time that essentially Murray is not really a PG and is overrated. I can't remember exactly what he said but his post was well-reasoned.

I think we need to ask ourselves what kind of PG are we looking for. Do we want a floor general like CP3/Conley, a big defensive player who probably isn't a very good offensively and has a bad shot like Black, a scoring guard like FVV/Sexton, or any other combination. In other words, do we really need what would be considered a 'traditional' PG, or do we just need a good guard in that spot who doesn't necessarily have that skill but can score and/or defend well.

*cough* Luka * cough* *cough* Ainge, don’t be a bitch *cough* *cough*