2023 Trade Rumors

[babyjax13]

Black already has better form than Rubio, and it looks improved in workouts. With his touch, I think he'll improve just like Lonzo did. I'm not sure how much I'd give to move up to get him, but I'd trust our FO if they made that choice.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Apparently the Jazz keep offering 9, 16, and Sexton to the Pistons who are considering it as the Pistons want to trade down for Hendricks.

https://sports.yahoo.com/portland-is-determined-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-and-holds-interest-in-bam-adebayo-145358329.html

This is why everyone keeps doing the "well, the Jazz might trade up" thing.

People don't seem to know if the Jazz are trading up for Ausar, Whitmore, Jarace, or Black though.

I didn't read the article as saying that the Jazz are offering #9, #16 and Sexton for the #5, but rather the Jazz are looking to move up from #9 and #16 and dangling Sexton not just to Detroit, but around the league (perhaps to move up?).

I like Jerace Walker a lot, and could easily see him playing next to Markkanen. I wonder if the Jazz are targeting him with Detroit's pick. If they could move up from #16 to 10-12, they would then have a chance at a decent pg (Wallace or Bufkin). If they move up from #28, they could target Dariq Whitehead or Leonard Miller. That would be a very solid draft, IMO.

[Catchall]

Givony thinks the Jazz would trade up with Detroit for Jarace Walker.
Fischer thinks the Jazz would trade up with Detroit or Indiana for Anthony Black.
Woj thinks the Jazz have the pieces to trade up for "their guy" who might not get to #9, but it's not clear who their guy is.
Givony thinks Cam Whitmore could naturally fall to #9, and the Jazz could get either Whitmore or Ausar by staying put.

I could see the Jazz trading up for a Thompson, Jarace or Cam. I didn't think the target was Anthony Black, but maybe he blew them away in his workout last week.

[AGE1207]

U would indeed think Black must have had a really impressive workout…

If I read correctly between the lines we are looking to try and somehow switch our “9+16+Sexton” into “5+10 + Bertrans”?

Now I’m actually intrigued

[SoCalJazzFan]

Givony thinks the Jazz would trade up with Detroit for Jarace Walker.
Fischer thinks the Jazz would trade up with Detroit or Indiana for Anthony Black.
Woj thinks the Jazz have the pieces to trade up for "their guy" who might not get to #9, but it's not clear who their guy is.
Givony thinks Cam Whitmore could naturally fall to #9, and the Jazz could get either Whitmore or Ausar by staying put.

I could see the Jazz trading up for a Thompson, Jarace or Cam. I didn't think the target was Anthony Black, but maybe he blew them away in his workout last week.

Kevin O'Conner of the Ringer also has heard, supposedly, that Cam Whitmore's workouts haven't gone great and that he is sliding, perhaps to #9.

However, two days before the draft, there is going to be a lot of smoke. Some of it from real fires, but some of it from smokescreens of deceit, exaggerations and even lies. Buckle up!

[Inigo Montoya]

It's a hefty price to pay to move up four spots but I'd probably do it. What's concerning to me is that the article essentially says the Jazz are trying to move up for Anthony Black, and to me, that would be a very bad outcome. So in essence, I don't mind the trade itself, but who the Jazz pick at that spot.

AB I would love, Jarace I would hate. Jarace is Paul Millsap in talent, Ayton in motor and that guy flames out of the league pretty fast.

AB has Harden-like potential if he learns how to shoot. Will he learn? Probably not, but it's worth a shot.

He's more like more athletic Rubio than Harden. IMO his shooting and self-creation is nowhere near what would require Harden-type of game.

Athletic Greivis Vásquez.

[Inigo Montoya]

Kevin O'Conner of the Ringer also has heard, supposedly, that Cam Whitmore's workouts haven't gone great and that he is sliding, perhaps to #9.

Weird. Just about a week ago I read in several places he had really impressed in workouts, climbing up the board. A lot of smoke is out there indeed.

If we trade up to #5, Whitmore is my target, or Amen Thompson if he's still there (alas, Scoot won't fall to that spot). I'm not infatuated with either Black or Amen Thompson but if the Jazz trade up to draft a tall, athletic PG, I'd rather they'd go for Thompson if they're already there. Higher upside.

[Catchall]

U would indeed think Black must have had a really impressive workout…

If I read correctly between the lines we are looking to try and somehow switch our “9+16+Sexton” into “5+10 + Bertrans”?

Now I’m actually intrigued

I think the Jazz would try to trade up to 5 with Detroit, their target being Walker or one of the Thompsons.

In parallel, I think the Jazz would try to trade up to 7 with Indiana, with their target being one of the Thompsons or Anthony Black. If they can't get the Detroit deal, they'd fall back and take the Indiana deal.

Then I think the Jazz would offer Dallas a deal for #10 + Bertans. Colin Sexton is a salary match for Bertans if Dallas wants to take back his contract.

So the Jazz would draft at 5 and 10.

[Wolverine]

If Sexton goes it’s likely we resign Clarkson

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm not super concerned about giving up a couple of future picks to draft players we want now. Realistically, we can't draft and incorporate all of those players into the team over the next 5 years anyway.

Giving up unprotected picks would be a big mistake. Those picks can turn into gold, not just in terms of drafting high, but their trade value goes up a great deal if Minny/Cleveland stumbles even a little. The value they'd get for those picks now is not worth giving up on them turning into something much more valuable.

[Jiipee84]

https://hoopswire.com/jazz-making-collin-sexton-available-in-trade-talks/?fbclid=IwAR1ISwS6rWeeQ__eFZKDVheT8DSJX6Fjivw_pL2-8kOAbfR5Hkj042El-SM
Sexton is officially available for a trade.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'm not super concerned about giving up a couple of future picks to draft players we want now. Realistically, we can't draft and incorporate all of those players into the team over the next 5 years anyway.

Giving up unprotected picks would be a big mistake. Those picks can turn into gold, not just in terms of drafting high, but their trade value goes up a great deal if Minny/Cleveland stumbles even a little. The value they'd get for those picks now is not worth giving up on them turning into something much more valuable.

There are several ways to look at this.

Those picks might be more valuable now than they end up being due to the uncertainty right now of where they'll actually be. It could be that those picks are in the 20s, and as you get close to that time it becomes more apparent that will likely be the case, reducing their value. Like, how much value would an unprotected Bucks or Nuggets pick for next year be right now?

The pick that is conveyed can always be protected to prevent giving away a top 5 pick, for example.

If the Jazz have found someone they really believe in that requires trading up to get them, that player (e.g. Whitmore, Walker, etc) could end up being an All Star by the time the pick that was included to trade up actually conveys, lessening the sting even if that pick ends up in the lottery.

This draft, by all accounts, is a much better, athletic, deep draft than most and certainly more than next year's. Markkanen will be up for renewal in two years. No need to rush things, but if opportunities arise the Jazz should pounce, whether it be in a draft or free agency, to at least have a team with momentum and promise in two years so that Markkanen will re-sign.

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'm not super concerned about giving up a couple of future picks to draft players we want now. Realistically, we can't draft and incorporate all of those players into the team over the next 5 years anyway.

Giving up unprotected picks would be a big mistake. Those picks can turn into gold, not just in terms of drafting high, but their trade value goes up a great deal if Minny/Cleveland stumbles even a little. The value they'd get for those picks now is not worth giving up on them turning into something much more valuable.

There are several ways to look at this.

Those picks might be more valuable now than they end up being due to the uncertainty right now of where they'll actually be. It could be that those picks are in the 20s, and as you get close to that time it becomes more apparent that will likely be the case, reducing their value. Like, how much value would an unprotected Bucks or Nuggets pick for next year be right now?

The pick that is conveyed can always be protected to prevent giving away a top 5 pick, for example.

If the Jazz have found someone they really believe in that requires trading up to get them, that player (e.g. Whitmore, Walker, etc) could end up being an All Star by the time the pick that was included to trade up actually conveys, lessening the sting even if that pick ends up in the lottery.

This draft, by all accounts, is a much better, athletic, deep draft than most and certainly more than next year's. Markkanen will be up for renewal in two years. No need to rush things, but if opportunities arise the Jazz should pounce, whether it be in a draft or free agency, to at least have a team with momentum and promise in two years so that Markkanen will re-sign.

I can remember back around 2006 - 2009 when there was a segment of Utah's fan base that was adamant about trading the Knicks pick because they didn't want to wait for years for it to convey and they believed there was no way New York would stay bad that long. The value of that pick at the time in trade was a mid-late first. They all wanted to trade it for a role player. I argued for years about keeping the pick because the potential value was too great and that potential was too hard to come by. Of course, Utah eventually drafted a player at #10 that would develop into an all-star. It would have been extremely short-sighted and a huge mistake to have traded that pick for a role player.

Unprotected picks are too hard to come by and the potential for missing out on star player is too great to be using them to move up a few spots in this draft. Utah has enough assets that they can offer to move up. The unprotected picks should be off the table, especially after we just saw Cleveland get bounced in the first round. The potential for Minny and Cleveland to fall apart is very real should not be underestimated like Jazz fans did when they wanted to dump the pick that became Haywood.

And this isn't just about using those unprotected picks to draft someone. If Cleveland or Minny falls apart, just one of those picks could become valuable enough to be the centerpiece of a trade for a star player.

[Inigo Montoya]

Does the Beal trade change anything for the Jazz? I can’t see immediately how it could impact us but then again, I am no expert on these things…

The Wizards just traded for Tyus Jones so they may not need a PG so bad now. The conventional wisdom that they're going for Black may turn out to be wrong, given recent events.

[AGE1207]

Does the Beal trade change anything for the Jazz? I can’t see immediately how it could impact us but then again, I am no expert on these things…

The Wizards just traded for Tyus Jones so they may not need a PG so bad now. The conventional wisdom that they're going for Black may turn out to be wrong, given recent events.

Tx for the info! I think Danny is going to surprise all of us tonight

[TNJazz]

Does the Beal trade change anything for the Jazz? I can’t see immediately how it could impact us but then again, I am no expert on these things…

The Wizards just traded for Tyus Jones so they may not need a PG so bad now. The conventional wisdom that they're going for Black may turn out to be wrong, given recent events.

Tx for the info! I think Danny is going to surprise all of us tonight

Of course he will surprise us, I'm not sure he even knows what he is going to do as there are too many variables at play. I am excited to watch them unwrap this present to see what his final decision is. One thing I am confident with is, it will not be as shaky as previous GM picks have been for this team.

[zero24gravity]

The potential for Minny and Cleveland to fall apart is very real should not be underestimated like Jazz fans did when they wanted to dump the pick that became Haywood.

I'd just like to take a moment to thank you for being someone else who still calls him Haywood.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'm not super concerned about giving up a couple of future picks to draft players we want now. Realistically, we can't draft and incorporate all of those players into the team over the next 5 years anyway.

Giving up unprotected picks would be a big mistake. Those picks can turn into gold, not just in terms of drafting high, but their trade value goes up a great deal if Minny/Cleveland stumbles even a little. The value they'd get for those picks now is not worth giving up on them turning into something much more valuable.

Giving up an uprotected pick could be a big mistake, it could be an amazing move. I've read that on average a typical draft will have 3-4 All Stars. If the Jazz have identified a potential All Star with a higher pick and believe that what they would draft at #9 will be at best an average starter to rotational player, giving up even an unprotected pick for a potential All Star would be a good move.

That being said, again, the future pick could be protected, the "lesser of", etc. Moreover, the Jazz will absolutely have to trade some of them away as it is not feasible to incorporate all of those draft picks into the team over that time frame.

[Inigo Montoya]

I think unprotected picks are more valuable the further away they are, or if it's possible to have an indication on what will happen to the team that owes the pick, in cases of shorter term picks. So yes, a pick like the Knicks gave up (turned into Hayward) was valuable, but I would venture a guess that a 2025 pick from the Wolves or the Cavs isn't as valuable, as they are less likely to fall apart in that timespan, and so I'd be more willing to give those up for the right player or to move up in the draft in a significant way. I'd be more hesitant parting with 2026 picks and beyond, but still, picks are meant to be used one way or another.

[AingesBurner]

I think unprotected picks are more valuable the further away they are, or if it's possible to have an indication on what will happen to the team that owes the pick, in cases of shorter term picks. So yes, a pick like the Knicks gave up (turned into Hayward) was valuable, but I would venture a guess that a 2025 pick from the Wolves or the Cavs isn't as valuable, as they are less likely to fall apart in that timespan, and so I'd be more willing to give those up for the right player or to move up in the draft in a significant way. I'd be more hesitant parting with 2026 picks and beyond, but still, picks are meant to be used one way or another.

Bingo. When is Mitchell a FA? In 25? If so, trade the Cleveland pick over the Minny pick because Mitchell will want to get paid.