2024 Trade Rumors

[babyjax13]

Curry was picked 7th. LeBron didn’t win a chip the first time around. Giannis was picked in the teens. You were saying.

See bold.

Fair enough but look who they picked when they somehow lucked out 3 years in a row with 1st pick selections. Irving was the only star.

I am making two points:

1. most championship teams are built through the draft (whether it is at the top or not)
2. most champions have, as one of their top two players, at least one guy drafted in the top 3

Many teams have signed or traded for #2, but that isn't always the case. The clearest route to building a championship team is to establish a core through the draft and I think to maximize the odds of doing that we should trade Lauri for more draft assets - and not just any assets, ones with a reasonable expectation of some upside.

I completely appreciate preferring to keep him, I love watching him play, but I don't think it is the easiest path to building a championship core.

[AingesBurner]

See bold.

Fair enough but look who they picked when they somehow lucked out 3 years in a row with 1st pick selections. Irving was the only star.

I am making two points:

1. most championship teams are built through the draft (whether it is at the top or not)
2. most champions have, as one of their top two players, at least one guy drafted in the top 3

Many teams have signed or traded for #2, but that isn't always the case. The clearest route to building a championship team is to establish a core through the draft and I think to maximize the odds of doing that we should trade Lauri for more draft assets - and not just any assets, ones with a reasonable expectation of some upside.

I completely appreciate preferring to keep him, I love watching him play, but I don't think it is the easiest path to building a championship core.

Keeping Lauri is better. Look how many young guys we have. One final year of being bad and then you make trades to get better.

[babyjax13]

Fair enough but look who they picked when they somehow lucked out 3 years in a row with 1st pick selections. Irving was the only star.

I am making two points:

1. most championship teams are built through the draft (whether it is at the top or not)
2. most champions have, as one of their top two players, at least one guy drafted in the top 3

Many teams have signed or traded for #2, but that isn't always the case. The clearest route to building a championship team is to establish a core through the draft and I think to maximize the odds of doing that we should trade Lauri for more draft assets - and not just any assets, ones with a reasonable expectation of some upside.

I completely appreciate preferring to keep him, I love watching him play, but I don't think it is the easiest path to building a championship core.

Keeping Lauri is better. Look how many young guys we have. One final year of being bad and then you make trades to get better.

I hope one of them is a foundational piece, but I am not convinced yet.

[Inigo Montoya]

True but the flattening of the odds has changed the outlook of completely tanking. I’d rather be 5th worst than the worst.

You'd still want to be the worst because then you can at worst fall for the 5th seed. If you're 5th worse you can fall further to 7 or even more.

How many teams that tank badly see a chip? If you do it that way then you follow the Spurs model. Pay Lauri handsomely and fake an injury. The question is, are there any Tim Duncan’s in this draft? Those that can play like a star day one?

Here is the problem with that scenario: Let's say Lauri is willing to go along with getting paid and then faking an injury so the Jazz could tank effectively. Say it works and the Jazz get the #1 pick. Who would the Jazz pick? Probably Cooper Flagg. What position does he play? Lauri's...

[OnlyFranz22]

What’s the asking price on Lauri?

Asking as a Magic fan….

[AingesBurner]

What’s the asking price on Lauri?

Asking as a Magic fan….

More than Mikal

[AingesBurner]

You'd still want to be the worst because then you can at worst fall for the 5th seed. If you're 5th worse you can fall further to 7 or even more.

How many teams that tank badly see a chip? If you do it that way then you follow the Spurs model. Pay Lauri handsomely and fake an injury. The question is, are there any Tim Duncan’s in this draft? Those that can play like a star day one?

Here is the problem with that scenario: Let's say Lauri is willing to go along with getting paid and then faking an injury so the Jazz could tank effectively. Say it works and the Jazz get the #1 pick. Who would the Jazz pick? Probably Cooper Flagg. What position does he play? Lauri's...

Wing is the most valuable position in the league. Everyone assumes Flagg gets picked first but what if he has a career altering injury or he just sucks? You don’t put all your eggs in the unknown basket.

[bkohler]

So from reporting it seems clear the Jazz plan of trading for Mikal and signing PG didn’t workout so now they’ve pivoted to selling Lauri. According to Windy it’s Spurs, Thunder, and Warriors (and other teams) negotiating right now.

I believe Windy as he’s had inside info on Utahs deals before.

So the whole keep/sell argument is probably moot at this point. The real question is what haul does Danny get?

I still think the rockets trade makes the most sense but if you can get me those ATL picks from the spurs I’m willing to talk.

[Inigo Montoya]

Good news, Tobias Harris signed with the Pistons, no need to worry about the Jazz.

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[Jazzfan 81]

It is looking more likely that Lauri will be traded. That is unfortunate for the Jazz. I was hoping we would be able to add another star or two with him. If he is traded I hope the Jazz are able to add a good young prospect that fits our need. And they get at least one additional pick in 25 and another in 26 from the trade to better the chance of getting a higher pick. Ideally the jazz will have two lottery picks in 25 and 26 but that is too hopeful.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If Markk is traded, I wonder if it is because he has indicated to the Jazz that he is not interested in being on a tanking/rebuilding team over the next few years and thus might refuse the R&E.

If that is the case, the Jazz have to trade him and this is a great summer to do so. However, if it is not, it would have to be an incredible haul to trade him, and even at that I probably wouldn't given the odds of finding a star player at his level from even the handful of picks they get for him.

[Denizfeital]

If Markk is traded, I wonder if it is because he has indicated to the Jazz that he is not interested in being on a tanking/rebuilding team over the next few years and thus might refuse the R&E.

We can't blame him, can we? If it sucks big time for a fan, imagine for a professional player.

Regards,

[Denizfeital]

Good news, Tobias Harris signed with the Pistons, no need to worry about the Jazz.

Read on Twitter

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That was a relief. For a split-second a read it Jazz instead of Pistons. Phew!!

[SoCalJazzFan]

If there is a Markk trade with the Spurs, the possibility of which is being rumored today, these are the FRP Spurs assets that could be involved (bold are those I'd be interested in):
2025 SAS (bottom 5 last year, need more than Markk to get out of lottery, IMO)
2025 ATL (IMO, ATL is trending down)
2025 CHA (protected 1-14- so not interested)
2025 CHI (protected 1-10 2025 and 1-8 2026 and 2027)
2026 SAS (with rights to swap with ATL)
2027 SAS (are Spurs good by this point? Probably)
2027 ATL
2030 DAL
2031 MIN

Those 5 picks, plus a pick swap (TBD) would match the Mikal Bridges trade. Since the Nets got Bogey (who could be flipped at the deadline for another pick) and we would probably just get salary filler, perhaps one more pick swap or two seconds would be in order.

These are the Jazz FRPs for the next 3 drafts:

2025
UTA (1-10, otherwise to OKC)
MIN
CLE

2026
UTA (1-8, otherwise OKC)
Best of MIN or CLE

2027
UTA
LAL (1-4 protected)
CLE
MIN

[Jazzfan 81]

Thanks for the info SoCal. I was going to look for that. I agree I would want the ATL and SAS 25 picks, the 26 swap with ATL, and 27 Atl pick. But I would switch to the 31 Twolves pick or the 30 Dallas pick.

Also I would be interested in including Stephon Castle whom SAS just picked.

[Jiipee84]

So from reporting it seems clear the Jazz plan of trading for Mikal and signing PG didn’t workout so now they’ve pivoted to selling Lauri. According to Windy it’s Spurs, Thunder, and Warriors (and other teams) negotiating right now.

I believe Windy as he’s had inside info on Utahs deals before.

So the whole keep/sell argument is probably moot at this point. The real question is what haul does Danny get?

I still think the rockets trade makes the most sense but if you can get me those ATL picks from the spurs I’m willing to talk.

OKC has already signed Isaiah Hartenstein who's 7ft like Lauri.
After getting Caruso and Hartenstein i don't see OKC having interest / need to trade for Lauri.

Also Warriors have already lost Paul and Klay
and as a team they are going down it's hard to see warriors being playoff team next year
Steph is old and so is Draymond in near future warriors are rebuild mode so no sense to trade Lauri into Warriors.

[D Rog]

So from reporting it seems clear the Jazz plan of trading for Mikal and signing PG didn’t workout so now they’ve pivoted to selling Lauri. According to Windy it’s Spurs, Thunder, and Warriors (and other teams) negotiating right now.

I believe Windy as he’s had inside info on Utahs deals before.

So the whole keep/sell argument is probably moot at this point. The real question is what haul does Danny get?

I still think the rockets trade makes the most sense but if you can get me those ATL picks from the spurs I’m willing to talk.

OKC has already signed Isaiah Hartenstein who's 7ft like Lauri.
After getting Caruso and Hartenstein i don't see OKC having interest / need to trade for Lauri.

Also Warriors have already lost Paul and Klay
and as a team they are going down it's hard to see warriors being playoff team next year
Steph is old and so is Draymond in near future warriors are rebuild mode so no sense to trade Lauri into Warriors.

I agree, I don't think you can get much from the Warriors (if anything of real value). Danny may have held his cards too long and doesn't have as many teams to play against each other. I see the Spurs and Rockets as the best possibilities. Spurs have picks and maybe 1 or 2 players. Rockets may have a few more valuable players but not the quality of picks the Spurs have. Danny may pivot back to "we didn't really want to trade Mark"

[mg]

At first glance the Spurs have the best assets especially when you consider the ATL unprotected picks.

I can definitely see why GS would also chase Lauri. Steph probably still has a good 3-4 years and they also have younger guys like Kuminga and Podz coming into their own. They did win 46 games this past season and upgrading from Klay to Lauri would be a huge improvement. Also teams like Denver and the Clips appear to be taking a step back. The GS picks post Curry could be very valuable.

[jr33]

So from reporting it seems clear the Jazz plan of trading for Mikal and signing PG didn’t workout so now they’ve pivoted to selling Lauri. According to Windy it’s Spurs, Thunder, and Warriors (and other teams) negotiating right now.

I believe Windy as he’s had inside info on Utahs deals before.

So the whole keep/sell argument is probably moot at this point. The real question is what haul does Danny get?

I still think the rockets trade makes the most sense but if you can get me those ATL picks from the spurs I’m willing to talk.

The problem also is that many teams have traded future firsts and many are protected so it throws future picks and what's available into flux. Very few teams have the ability to give as many picks as NY gave for Bridges. Remember, you can only trade firsts every other year. You can give swaps, which may be meaningless. The teams that look to be the options based on picks available would be Brooklyn, SAS, OKC, Houston, New Orleans, Orlando, Philly, Port, Tor. You can then try to guess who would be bad in the future to get better picks. The protected picks are picks tou may never see. See SAS having a Charlotte first which will likely turn into a 2nd. Also, 2025 is supposed to be a loaded draft. NY had 2 firsts to trade in 2025, which they did. SAS is in that same boat.

[Moose]

Knicks fan here. Would you be interested in:

1. Pacome Dadiet (first round pick this year's draft, not signed yet, so tradable)
2. Kevin McCuller (second round pick this year's draft)
3. Detroit first round pick
4. Sims (third string center, but has his moments)
5. And 3-4 second round picks

For Kessler