NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread

uber_snotling · Post #301 » by **uber_snotling** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:53 pm

All right. So a shooter is someone who can score efficiently from anywhere on the court, or just jump shots?

Specifically related to Markkanen, the "weaknesses" video at Draft Express mentions he has a weak/bad post-up game, can't take advantage of smaller players in the post, and can't finish at the rim through contact (54%).

So does the "best 7-ft shooter the league has ever seen" need to be able to score in the paint?

stitches · Post #302 » by **stitches** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:12 pm

uber_snotling wrote:All right. So a shooter is someone who can score efficiently from anywhere on the court, or just jump shots?

Specifically related to Markkanen, the "weaknesses" video at Draft Express mentions he has a weak/bad post-up game, can't take advantage of smaller players in the post, and can't finish at the rim through contact (54%).

So does the "best 7-ft shooter the league has ever seen" need to be able to score in the paint?

The short answer is - no. When I say shooter i don't imagine post up player doing hook shots or layups. That's not what I meant when I said he can be the best shooting 7 footer.

uber_snotling · Post #303 » by **uber_snotling** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:22 pm

stitches wrote:
uber_snotling wrote:All right. So a shooter is someone who can score efficiently from anywhere on the court, or just jump shots?

Specifically related to Markkanen, the "weaknesses" video at Draft Express mentions he has a weak/bad post-up game, can't take advantage of smaller players in the post, and can't finish at the rim through contact (54%).

So does the "best 7-ft shooter the league has ever seen" need to be able to score in the paint?

The short answer is - no. When I say shooter i don't imagine post up player doing hook shots or layups. That's not what I meant when I said he can be the best shooting 7 footer.

So Markkannen only needs to beat out Dirk's 50/39/90 and 30,000 points then. Of course, Dirk shoots 64% at the rim and has an unstoppable step-back jumper from the mid-range.

stitches · Post #304 » by **stitches** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:53 pm

uber_snotling wrote:
stitches wrote:
uber_snotling wrote:All right. So a shooter is someone who can score efficiently from anywhere on the court, or just jump shots?

Specifically related to Markkanen, the "weaknesses" video at Draft Express mentions he has a weak/bad post-up game, can't take advantage of smaller players in the post, and can't finish at the rim through contact (54%).

So does the "best 7-ft shooter the league has ever seen" need to be able to score in the paint?

The short answer is - no. When I say shooter i don't imagine post up player doing hook shots or layups. That's not what I meant when I said he can be the best shooting 7 footer.

So Markkannen only needs to beat out Dirk's 50/39/90 and 30,000 points then. Of course, Dirk shoots 64% at the rim and has an unstoppable step-back jumper from the mid-range.

Sure. And then he needs to beat Stockton's assist record and Hakeem blocks record. Because, that's exactly what I said, right?

Post #305 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:50 am

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UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #306 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:25 pm

I'd trade Favors for a pick that lands us Markkannen without losing a second of sleep over it. I think he needs to be in the right situation, but he'll turn out to be the real deal if that happens. He'd be amazing next to Gobert.

Unless we make a big move to get a high draft pick, I've settled on Johnathan Motley as our guy in the late first round. I'd also be ok with TJ Leaf, Caleb Swanigan or Alec Peters.

pickIBL · Post #307 » by **pickIBL** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:58 pm

Id trade favors for any lotto pick

stitches · Post #308 » by **stitches** » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:23 pm

Watch on YouTube

KqWIN · Post #309 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:11 pm

Jawun Evans is fun to watch. He knows how to play.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #310 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:31 pm

KqWIN wrote:Jawun Evans is fun to watch. He knows how to play.

Gotta learn to finish a bit better, but he's really fun to watch.

mark53 · Post #311 » by **mark53** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:42 pm

I realize I rarely post..... but I read this forum everyday and have since I believe my user name was at least in our recent memory if not later.

Can we please remove the two highest scorers in the history of the best league on the planet from a draft prospects thread? Malone and Kareem deserve that.

Go jazz ... I think we are on our way to peaking BTW and beat clip joint in 6.

This is a very bad year to be playing whoever ends up the 1 seed however. We pick late 20s. I believe GW returns but if he really has the desire to play in Beantown I think he gives the Jazz a sign and trade option which would make us big players in this draft.

I have not given up whatsoever on Favors. So unless its way up the lottery I would not move him for a pick....too gifted. So I hope they figure out a way too keep him as well. I love this teams top 8 if not 9. Maybe just a couple years away from Ring contending category.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #312 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:59 pm

The more I look into this draft, the more I'm realizing that it's not as deep as advertised. I think there's a pretty big drop-off after the top 10.

And I honestly don't think the guys we'll want will be there at 24 and 29. I think we'll have to try to make a move up or settle for selling the picks.

stitches · Post #313 » by **stitches** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:10 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:The more I look into this draft, the more I'm realizing that it's not as deep as advertised. I think there's a pretty big drop-off after the top 10.

And I honestly don't think the guys we'll want will be there at 24 and 29. I think we'll have to try to make a move up or settle for selling the picks.

Meh, I like players well into the 20s.

Daddy 801 · Post #314 » by **Daddy 801** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:47 pm

stitches wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:The more I look into this draft, the more I'm realizing that it's not as deep as advertised. I think there's a pretty big drop-off after the top 10.

And I honestly don't think the guys we'll want will be there at 24 and 29. I think we'll have to try to make a move up or settle for selling the picks.

Meh, I like players well into the 20s.

Who is your undervalued player that scouts have it wrong about this year stitches?

stitches · Post #315 » by **stitches** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:48 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:
stitches wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:The more I look into this draft, the more I'm realizing that it's not as deep as advertised. I think there's a pretty big drop-off after the top 10.

And I honestly don't think the guys we'll want will be there at 24 and 29. I think we'll have to try to make a move up or settle for selling the picks.

Meh, I like players well into the 20s.

Who is your undervalued player that scouts have it wrong about this year stitches?

Bam Adebayo. I think he's at the very least a Capela type. He's projected in the 20s right now. Same with Harry Giles. See how different Exum looks now compared to in the beginning of the season? I think there is a real chance Giles gets back most of his athleticism and confidence with time. If he's cleared by our medical staff, I'd be OK trading both picks to get him.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #316 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:27 pm

stitches wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:The more I look into this draft, the more I'm realizing that it's not as deep as advertised. I think there's a pretty big drop-off after the top 10.

And I honestly don't think the guys we'll want will be there at 24 and 29. I think we'll have to try to make a move up or settle for selling the picks.

Meh, I like players well into the 20s.

Good for you.

Someone says this every year and ends up disappointed.

stitches · Post #317 » by **stitches** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:19 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
stitches wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:The more I look into this draft, the more I'm realizing that it's not as deep as advertised. I think there's a pretty big drop-off after the top 10.

And I honestly don't think the guys we'll want will be there at 24 and 29. I think we'll have to try to make a move up or settle for selling the picks.

Meh, I like players well into the 20s.

Good for you.

Someone says this every year and ends up disappointed.

And someone ends up with Gobert, Hood, Skal, etc.

Daddy 801 · Post #318 » by **Daddy 801** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:26 am

stitches wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
stitches wrote:Meh, I like players well into the 20s.

Good for you.

Someone says this every year and ends up disappointed.

And someone ends up with Gobert, Hood, Skal, etc.

I wonder if every draft in the past 20 years has produced an AllStar outside the lottery. Willing to bet it's close.

stitches · Post #319 » by **stitches** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:30 am

Daddy 801 wrote:
stitches wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Good for you.

Someone says this every year and ends up disappointed.

And someone ends up with Gobert, Hood, Skal, etc.

I wonder if every draft in the past 20 years has produced an AllStar outside the lottery. Willing to bet it's close.

Well, to be fair, it's easy to choose the field and get an all-star(past the lottery) - you get 40+ chances to be right. What's hard is to choose the exact player that's going to be the all-star.

Daddy 801 · Post #320 » by **Daddy 801** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:07 pm

stitches wrote:
Daddy 801 wrote:
stitches wrote:And someone ends up with Gobert, Hood, Skal, etc.

I wonder if every draft in the past 20 years has produced an AllStar outside the lottery. Willing to bet it's close.

Well, to be fair, it's easy to choose the field and get an all-star(past the lottery) - you get 40+ chances to be right. What's hard is to choose the exact player that's going to be the all-star.

I realize that. I'm just curious how many AllStars have been produced outside the lottery. I also wonder if the correlation of lottery and AllStar has increased as time has gone on. You would hope that GMs are getting better.