Future Free Agent Thread

Post #321 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 pm

For the max, neither. But if I had to choose, I'd go with Walker.

sipclip · Post #322 » by **sipclip** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:00 am

Do you guys really want to take the ball out of Mitchell's hands to let Kemba dominate the ball? I sure as hell don't. We complimentary scorer to go with Mitchell. Not a ball dominant player that will stunt Mitchell's growth.

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Post #323 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:19 am

sipclip wrote:Do you guys really want to take the ball out of Mitchell's hands to let Kemba dominate the ball? I sure as hell don't. We complimentary scorer to go with Mitchell. Not a ball dominant player that will stunt Mitchell's growth.

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I'm not crazy about going after Walker but if Lillard and CJ can coexist, so can DM and Walker. We have so few offensive weapons and players who can create their own shot that in this case, two ball-dominant guards can work.

Rauxcee · Post #324 » by **Rauxcee** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:23 am

sipclip wrote:Do you guys really want to take the ball out of Mitchell's hands to let Kemba dominate the ball? I sure as hell don't. We complimentary scorer to go with Mitchell. Not a ball dominant player that will stunt Mitchell's growth.

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Beggars can't be choosers. We are very much beggars. We aren't going to have some plethora of FA's to choose from. If we get anyone, especially an all star, interested in us, we roll with it.

KqWIN · Post #325 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:46 am

Mitchell, Kemba, and Conley are all dying on islands with little to no shot creation around them. All of them can operate without the ball, but their teams also need them to create. I don't think Mitchell has to be a league leader in ball handling possessions in order to develop. He's a great shooter off the ball and we're forgoing any of that development as long as we keep him stranded on an island.

As for my answer, it's Conley. The difference between what he is going to get paid and what you would like him to get paid likely makes no difference. You have to give up something to get Conley, but trading for him is 100% chance of getting him.

dr0welf · Post #326 » by **dr0welf** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:36 am

KqWIN wrote:Mitchell, Kemba, and Conley are all dying on islands with little to no shot creation around them. All of them can operate without the ball, but their teams also need them to create. I don't think Mitchell has to be a league leader in ball handling possessions in order to develop. He's a great shooter off the ball and we're forgoing any of that development as long as we keep him stranded on an island.

As for my answer, it's Conley. The difference between what he is going to get paid and what you would like him to get paid likely makes no difference. You have to give up something to get Conley, but trading for him is 100% chance of getting him.

I think it depends on the asking price as if we can get Conley. But if we think we can get Kemba than we have a little bit of bargaining power as we are not pressed into accepting whatever offer is requested for Conley as we are not that desperate.

KqWIN · Post #327 » by **KqWIN** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:45 am

dr0welf wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Mitchell, Kemba, and Conley are all dying on islands with little to no shot creation around them. All of them can operate without the ball, but their teams also need them to create. I don't think Mitchell has to be a league leader in ball handling possessions in order to develop. He's a great shooter off the ball and we're forgoing any of that development as long as we keep him stranded on an island.

As for my answer, it's Conley. The difference between what he is going to get paid and what you would like him to get paid likely makes no difference. You have to give up something to get Conley, but trading for him is 100% chance of getting him.

I think it depends on the asking price as if we can get Conley. But if we think we can get Kemba than we have a little bit of bargaining power as we are not pressed into accepting whatever offer is requested for Conley as we are not that desperate.

I don't think we can get Kemba...but if we can, I think you lock him in the room to sign :lol:

. If a highly sought after FA wants to play here, you sign him and figure out the rest later.

Wolverine · Post #328 » by **Wolverine** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:26 am

We have to do something

sipclip · Post #329 » by **sipclip** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:35 pm

The answer isn't gutting the team and giving up assets for Conley or throwing a huge number at Kemba to make a midget backcourt. I think the answer is bringing in a guy that has shown to be an explosive scorer as well as some other players that are somewhat unproven offensively but bring things to the table that we currently lack. I would be targeting Terrance Ross, Jabari Parker and Frank Kaminsky. All three bring different aspects offensively that we need. Parker and Kaminsky should come pretty cheap. Then I think I would bring back George Hill who should also come pretty cheap and would provide vet depth at both guard spots. Lastly I would take a chance on the untapped potential of 2 former lottery in Hezonja and Vonleh. Hezonja played like crap most of the season but finished it strong and I still think he will end up being a solid scorer in a few years. Vonleh has the makings of a hustle big that can shoot the 3 ball at an average clip.

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CAE15 · Post #330 » by **CAE15** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:03 pm

No interest in George team chemistry killing, quit on team, calling out the real leaders on the team Hill. Much rather a Collison, Barea, Beverley, Payton, McConnell, Satoransky, Lin, Rondo, Livingston, Joseph, Ish, Curry over him.

I like the idea of Ross, Vonleh and Jabari though. Both guys who can score. Kaminsky, I'd be okay with, but rather go for a Dedmon type or Ed Davis even Richaun Holmes. Kaminsky just seems so slow.

More names of guys who could help us on the wing: Lamb, Pope, Green(if somehow he out prices himself from Toronto) Ellington, Matthews, Oubre, Layman, Ariza, Temple, Miller

Obviously these are secondary guys and we would hope we can get a bigger fish but as being the jazz goes these are more gettable players.

On the 4s Gay, Millsap, Marcus Morris, Thad, Jamychael, Aminu, Gibson some are better fits than others.

Though everyone thinking we never get anyone. There is a good crop of FAs this year where we can improve in many areas of the team if we do strike out on a bigger fish

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Post #331 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:07 pm

George Hill has fallen off a cliff ever since he left. I don't think he has much to contribute anymore.

KqWIN · Post #332 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:35 am

Lamb, Mirotic, Satoransky. Done.

CAE15 · Post #333 » by **CAE15** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:04 am

KqWIN wrote:Lamb, Mirotic, Satoransky. Done.

Who is going to be the backup center?

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TO11 · Post #334 » by **TO11** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:10 am

KqWIN wrote:Lamb, Mirotic, Satoransky. Done.

I think I am done with Mirotic, he hasn't impressed me that much this season.

KqWIN · Post #335 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:10 am

CAE15 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Lamb, Mirotic, Satoransky. Done.
Who is going to be the backup center?

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Doesn't matter. Backup C is the easiest position to fill and also the least important position for us to fill. It only makes sense for us to spend resources in other areas.

AingesBurner · Post #336 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 am

KqWIN wrote:Lamb, Mirotic, Satoransky. Done.

Swap out Mirotic for Randle.

CAE15 · Post #337 » by **CAE15** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:29 am

KqWIN wrote:
CAE15 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Lamb, Mirotic, Satoransky. Done.
Who is going to be the backup center?

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Doesn't matter. Backup C is the easiest position to fill and also the least important position for us to fill. It only makes sense for us to spend resources in other areas.

The easiest position to fill? Favors role isn't that easy to replace. There's guys but assuming we lose Favors, we definitely need another big capable of playing the 5. Thankfully there's options, but it's certainly an important role to fill.

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TO11 · Post #338 » by **TO11** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:36 am

After looking at potential free agents I think it would be sweet if we could sign Tobias Harris to a Max contract and then sign Brogdon to a 4yr 65million contract. If we decline the option on Favors and don't resign Rubio then I think we could do this just barely under the luxury cap, but we wouldn't have much room to work with after that.

I guess this would make it hard to sign Gobert and Mitchell later though...but I don't know, if you are in championship mode next year, I think that a starting 5 of Brogdon, Mitchell, Ingles, Harris, Gobert at least competes at least warrants some discussion, considering the juggernaut warriors probably won't be the same team next year.

If Harris is willing I think it's possible he considers leaving Philadelphia, I think they have too many cooks in the kitchen right now and I don't think they will want to max both Butler and Harris.

stitches · Post #339 » by **stitches** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:15 am

TO11 wrote:After looking at potential free agents I think it would be sweet if we could sign Tobias Harris to a Max contract and then sign Brogdon to a 4yr 65million contract. If we decline the option on Favors and don't resign Rubio then I think we could do this just barely under the luxury cap, but we wouldn't have much room to work with after that.

I guess this would make it hard to sign Gobert and Mitchell later though...but I don't know, if you are in championship mode next year, I think that a starting 5 of Brogdon, Mitchell, Ingles, Harris, Gobert at least competes at least warrants some discussion, considering the juggernaut warriors probably won't be the same team next year.

If Harris is willing I think it's possible he considers leaving Philadelphia, I think they have too many cooks in the kitchen right now and I don't think they will want to max both Butler and Harris.

You need to have room in your capspace to sign free agents. You can go up to the salary cap, not up to the luxury tax to sign other teams' free agents, thus you won't be able to sign both Harris and Brogdon to those contracts.

KqWIN · Post #340 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:31 am

CAE15 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
CAE15 wrote:Who is going to be the backup center?

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Doesn't matter. Backup C is the easiest position to fill and also the least important position for us to fill. It only makes sense for us to spend resources in other areas.
The easiest position to fill? Favors role isn't that easy to replace. There's guys but assuming we lose Favors, we definitely need another big capable of playing the 5. Thankfully there's options, but it's certainly an important role to fill.

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Yes, C is absolutely the easiest position to fill in the NBA. I don't think there's any question about it. The number of big men that teams are playing has been cut in half. Naturally, there's a large surplus.

Favors is a good player, but he's very limited in his impact with the Jazz. Gobert is far and away the best player on the team, and he can't play with him. In fact, there might not be a single team in the league where Favors has less of an impact than the Jazz. All the C's that are as good/better than Gobert are better fits with Favors.

He comes in value when Gobert is injured, no doubt about it, but that's raising the floor of this team. He's not raising the ceiling of this team. There's only so much you can playing 15 minutes max. Favs is a great luxury, but there are better ways to spend your money than backup C.