2023 Trade Rumors

[Inigo Montoya]

So Garland is available, not sure how we would get him BUT acquiring him this season allows Utah to get Luka next season.

Source?

It’s being disputed but Amico said he was available and Windhorst said to keep an eye on Cleveland, but Cleveland media is saying he is not. I’d almost have to go with Windy and Amico because of the Jazz trades from last year. Those were from left field.

Windhorst alluded to some crazy rumors about the Cavs but did not provide details so it's hard to guess. He said 'check on social media' but that's all I know.

Garland would be real nice. Maybe we'll just give the Cavs some of their picks back

[AingesBurner]

Source?

It’s being disputed but Amico said he was available and Windhorst said to keep an eye on Cleveland, but Cleveland media is saying he is not. I’d almost have to go with Windy and Amico because of the Jazz trades from last year. Those were from left field.

Windhorst alluded to some crazy rumors about the Cavs but did not provide details so it's hard to guess. He said 'check on social media' but that's all I know.

Garland would be real nice. Maybe we'll just give the Cavs some of their picks back

I would think that Garland is the crazy rumor. I would think that Cleveland wants a wing back. All we have is Ochai. So Ochai and picks to Toronto, OG to Cavs?

[Inigo Montoya]

It’s being disputed but Amico said he was available and Windhorst said to keep an eye on Cleveland, but Cleveland media is saying he is not. I’d almost have to go with Windy and Amico because of the Jazz trades from last year. Those were from left field.

Windhorst alluded to some crazy rumors about the Cavs but did not provide details so it's hard to guess. He said 'check on social media' but that's all I know.

Garland would be real nice. Maybe we'll just give the Cavs some of their picks back

I would think that Garland is the crazy rumor. I would think that Cleveland wants a wing back. All we have is Ochai. So Ochai and picks to Toronto, OG to Cavs?

We also drafted 3 rookies and then signed Collins, so maybe Hendricks is trade bait? Who knows. We also have Olynyk who is on an expiring $12M deal and we have a lot of PFs.

[D Rog]

Back to a small backcourt?

Unless there is another deal to follow, I think I would pass on Garland.

[Inigo Montoya]

Back to a small backcourt?

Unless there is another deal to follow, I think I would pass on Garland.

How many point guards in the league are better than him? And then we complain we have no real facilitator. And besides, it wouldn't be a small back court. Conley+Mitchell was a small back court. Garland+Mitchell is a small back court. Garland+Agbaji is a regular-sized back court.

[AingesBurner]

Back to a small backcourt?

Unless there is another deal to follow, I think I would pass on Garland.

How many point guards in the league are better than him? And then we complain we have no real facilitator. And besides, it wouldn't be a small back court. Conley+Mitchell was a small back court. Garland+Mitchell is a small back court. Garland+Agbaji is a regular-sized back court.

Garland also gives us the ability to trade remaining picks and himself for Luka. It’s a building block for Luka IMO.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Garland and VanVleet are pretty comparable, other than in age. Is it worth the assets to trade for Garland as opposed to just signing Fred?

[D Rog]

Back to a small backcourt?

Unless there is another deal to follow, I think I would pass on Garland.

How many point guards in the league are better than him? And then we complain we have no real facilitator. And besides, it wouldn't be a small back court. Conley+Mitchell was a small back court. Garland+Mitchell is a small back court. Garland+Agbaji is a regular-sized back court.

Can't argue too much. With Garland, I believe the Jazz would be smaller than Denver, Dallas, OKC, Memphis, GSW & SAC out of the West. Maybe average back court size is ok. No argument he is a solid player. Garland starts his big contract next season ($39M per season avg. for 5 years). With the new CBA, that may be an issue moving forward for any team that has him. Jazz have to consider what they need to pay Markkanen in his next contract.

What do the Jazz give up to get Garland? Personally I think I prefer Dejounte Murray based on his size. The concern is what it costs to get him because his contract expires next summer. Not sure if the Jazz can do an extension as part of the trade. If you can keep him at about $25 per year I prefer that. Reports say that all ATL vets are available except Trae.

Who would be the Cavs starting PG? Donovan? (not Rubio) or are they getting one in free agency or as part of a trade?

[SoCalJazzFan]

As mentioned above, Garland is starting his 5 yr $197M contract. Reportedly, FVV is seeking a 3 yr $90M contract.

Question becomes, are we at a place where we should be spending big bucks on a good, but expensive, pg that might take us to the playoffs but perhaps not take us to contender status, or should we be looking for a stop gap (maybe its Dunn?) and finding and developing a younger PG?

On another site, Tyty Washington Jr. was mentioned as a possible target as the Rockets now have a plethora of pgs with Amen T newly drafted. One of the lower paid bigs and a protected or "worse of" picks might get it done. Tyty was chosen late in the first round, but had a good GL stint where he absolutely tore it up for a few games, including their two GL Finals games. He is a young pg with decent size and some potential, and averaged 7 ast (and a decent number of rebounds) in the GL so he has some distributor chops as well which we just don't know if Keyonte will ever develop, quite frankly. May the best of Tyty and Keyonte win the starting role?

[SoCalJazzFan]

The new CBA requires teams to have 90% of the salary cap in player contracts by the first day of the season, or lose out on the distribution of tax, which I believe will have been nearly $8M to the Jazz this past season. With the salary cap of $136M, the Jazz must have a little over $122M in player salary to meet this new mandate.

Currently, I calculate the Jazz having $114M in player salary, which includes Olynyk full contract, THT, the three rookies and the three non-guaranteed players (Dunn, Saminic, Vernon), but not counting Clarkson or any other cap holds.

The players above counting towards the $114M total 15 players, the max a team can have on its roster during the season (in addition we will be able to have 3 two-way players).

The take home from the above that relates to this thread is that in order to receive a tax distribution this year from the tax paying teams, the Jazz must take on least roughly an additional $8M in salary, by signing one or more players (could be Clarkson) or trading for one or more players. This would most likely result in one or more of the NG contract players being waived (or perhaps converted to two-way players).

The Jazz have $22M in cap space, though, so they're not limited to the $8M, and could go bonkers by signing or acquiring one or more players and even then re-signing Clarkson to go over the salary cap.

[AingesBurner]

The new CBA requires teams to have 90% of the salary cap in player contracts by the first day of the season, or lose out on the distribution of tax, which I believe will have been nearly $8M to the Jazz this past season. With the salary cap of $136M, the Jazz must have a little over $122M in player salary to meet this new mandate.

Currently, I calculate the Jazz having $114M in player salary, which includes Olynyk full contract, THT, the three rookies and the three non-guaranteed players (Dunn, Saminic, Vernon), but not counting Clarkson or any other cap holds.

The players above counting towards the $114M total 15 players, the max a team can have on its roster during the season (in addition we will be able to have 3 two-way players).

The take home from the above that relates to this thread is that in order to receive a tax distribution this year from the tax paying teams, the Jazz must take on least roughly an additional $8M in salary, by signing one or more players (could be Clarkson) or trading for one or more players. This would most likely result in one or more of the NG contract players being waived (or perhaps converted to two-way players).

The Jazz have $22M in cap space, though, so they're not limited to the $8M, and could go bonkers by signing or acquiring one or more players and even then re-signing Clarkson to go over the salary cap.

I don’t see the Jazz going over the cap unless it’s on one year deals.

[Inigo Montoya]

The more I find out about the CBA, the more I hate it.

As for finding a PG, we shouldn't spend a lot of money to find one unless it's a long-term solution and someone with either high upside or someone like Garland who has proven to be one of the best PGs in the league and is only 23 and locked for the next 5 years.

Ideally, the Jazz would have done nothing at all in free agency, but if the opportunity arose then yes, they should go after a guy like Garland because you hardly ever get a chance to land a player like him if you're the Jazz. With FVV, it would only make sense if the Jazz wanted to go all in for the short term, so I'd pass. Also, the Rockets are rumored to be planning on offering him a two-year, $85M deal, which only makes sense for the Jazz if they plan on competing right now.

[SoCalJazzFan]

With the new CBA mandated 90% salary cap in player salaries signed by start of season, and with several teams having a ton of cap space, I thought that free agents and player option guys would get a windfall this summer. Turns out, it has been exactly the opposite. All of the PO players are opting in.

I don't think that we've yet seen the full effects of the 2nd tax apron, though. This is where the Jazz could potentially score a nice player.

[Inigo Montoya]

The Jazz traded Damian Jones to the Cavs. No further details right now.

The Jazz are reportedly discussing an extension with Clarkson.

That's all the activity I'm aware of right now.

[Wolverine]

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/nba-rumors-jazz-trade-heat-tyler-herro?fbclid=IwAR1pig516QAnHJH0ZZmcc1476EfDXmAg7vUsEg4YReyzai10ERD1TvzJWsw_aem_AeRzLonVdP2OdGrRiZ8F87R-ZB-gtfPCx4IVfypIjnf_siyZDGGH9wEQuUoQMnh985E&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
I think he’s better at the 1 than anyone we have

[Jammer]

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/nba-rumors-jazz-trade-heat-tyler-herro?fbclid=IwAR1pig516QAnHJH0ZZmcc1476EfDXmAg7vUsEg4YReyzai10ERD1TvzJWsw_aem_AeRzLonVdP2OdGrRiZ8F87R-ZB-gtfPCx4IVfypIjnf_siyZDGGH9wEQuUoQMnh985E&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
I think he’s better at the 1 than anyone we have

I deleted my post on the grounds that Herro is not good enough a point guard to warrant the change.

Too late to remove it completely.

[Inigo Montoya]

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/nba-rumors-jazz-trade-heat-tyler-herro?fbclid=IwAR1pig516QAnHJH0ZZmcc1476EfDXmAg7vUsEg4YReyzai10ERD1TvzJWsw_aem_AeRzLonVdP2OdGrRiZ8F87R-ZB-gtfPCx4IVfypIjnf_siyZDGGH9wEQuUoQMnh985E&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
I think he’s better at the 1 than anyone we have

He might be better at the 2 than anyone we have but he's not a PG, like, at all.

[AingesBurner]

https://www.si.com/nba/jazz/news/nba-rumors-jazz-trade-heat-tyler-herro?fbclid=IwAR1pig516QAnHJH0ZZmcc1476EfDXmAg7vUsEg4YReyzai10ERD1TvzJWsw_aem_AeRzLonVdP2OdGrRiZ8F87R-ZB-gtfPCx4IVfypIjnf_siyZDGGH9wEQuUoQMnh985E&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
I think he’s better at the 1 than anyone we have

He might be better at the 2 than anyone we have but he's not a PG, like, at all.

I’d rather suck a fart then get Herro.

[Igotgamejazz]

Who’s fart?

[D Rog]

It was 6 years ago today that Hayward announced he was leaving.

The Jazz have since gone through another edition of mediocrity (Donovan and Rudy).

I am bored and there haven't been many discussions on this board lately. I don't think I have seen many comments about Dame to the Jazz. Personally, I am torn. He doesn't fit our timeline and I don't think he makes enough difference to get the Jazz to the WCF with our current roster. That being said, is that too high of an expectation for the Jazz? I have not heard anybody discuss or read any articles about how trading for him and that huge salary would impact the team's ability to re-sign other players currently on the roster without hitting the 2nd apron in the new CBA.