2023 Trade Rumors

[vtime]

I don’t think everyone on the team should be on the same timeline. Then you’re trying to pay them all around the same time.

[D Rog]

I get that not everyone needs to be on the same timeline on the Jazz roster. I really like Dame and like I said, I am torn on whether the Jazz should trade for him. I have always liked him as a player. I am sure his veteran presence would greatly enhance the Jazz. My greater concern is the impact Dames salary would have on re-signing the current roster when existing contracts expire.

Per Hoops Hype -

Dame is owed $58M in 25/26 & $63M in 26/27

Collins has a player option in 25/26. If he takes it, the Jazz will owe him $26M and they could be trying to renegotiate a contract which will most likely be for more $$$$. It could be in the $35M - $40M range (obviously it depends on his fit and performance).

Markkanen's contract expires after the 24/25 season. His contract (assuming he plays as well or better than last year) is a bargain at $18M for that last year and will most likely be about $40M beginning in 25/26.

In Dames final contract year (26/27) he is owed $63M on a player option. I seriously doubt he walks away from that. Assuming the Jazz still have Collins and Markkanen the Jazz will have 3 players with salaries totaling about $140M - $145M (roughly). That is the same year the Jazz will need to sign new contracts with Kessler and Agbagi. You will have 4 players that will get the Jazz close to or into the tax. The 5th player most likely puts them into the tax and possibly into the 2nd apron. They would still have to fill out the remaining players for the roster.

I realize the tax levels and 2nd apron levels will increase but will they really increase enough for the Jazz? I also realize the Jazz may move 1 or 2 of the more expensive players for other players or draft picks, but wouldn't that be defeating the purpose of trying to contend?

[erasmusmrr]

The Jazz will be really good if they are mazing out that many guys right? Those guys must be great to all get max deals. If that's an issue, you could always trade 1 or 2 of them for a bunch of 1sts and rookie contracts.

[vtime]

1. Dame’s final year would be a massive expiring contract, extremely valuable. 2. Bring a legit title contender for 3 years is worth being in cap hell. If Ainge is around he’ll figure it out. You have to sacrifice to do anything great.

[Hoops Addict]

so maybe Hendricks is trade bait? Who knows. .

No way would the Jazz trade Hendricks now......he is our lowest pick in a long time and has star potential and a high floor.

[vryadli]

I get that not everyone needs to be on the same timeline on the Jazz roster. I really like Dame and like I said, I am torn on whether the Jazz should trade for him. I have always liked him as a player. I am sure his veteran presence would greatly enhance the Jazz. My greater concern is the impact Dames salary would have on re-signing the current roster when existing contracts expire.

I like his stats... Still his stats are not better than Harden's or Westbrook's. As for wins, all those 3 superstaters has the same numbers - both separately and combined. So, I don't see now he can be seen as a tool to get the Ring.

[D Rog]

I get that not everyone needs to be on the same timeline on the Jazz roster. I really like Dame and like I said, I am torn on whether the Jazz should trade for him. I have always liked him as a player. I am sure his veteran presence would greatly enhance the Jazz. My greater concern is the impact Dames salary would have on re-signing the current roster when existing contracts expire.

I like his stats... Still his stats are not better than Harden's or Westbrook's. As for wins, all those 3 superstaters has the same numbers - both separately and combined. So, I don't see now he can be seen as a tool to get the Ring.

You missed my comment the day before...

Personally, I am torn. He doesn't fit our timeline and I don't think he makes enough difference to get the Jazz to the WCF with our current roster. That being said, is that too high of an expectation for the Jazz?

[Igotgamejazz]

Stay course with youth and get guys who’ll play defense. I’m paying that much the player better bring it both sides of the ball!

[vryadli]

I get that not everyone needs to be on the same timeline on the Jazz roster. I really like Dame and like I said, I am torn on whether the Jazz should trade for him. I have always liked him as a player. I am sure his veteran presence would greatly enhance the Jazz. My greater concern is the impact Dames salary would have on re-signing the current roster when existing contracts expire.

I like his stats... Still his stats are not better than Harden's or Westbrook's. As for wins, all those 3 superstaters has the same numbers - both separately and combined. So, I don't see now he can be seen as a tool to get the Ring.

You missed my comment the day before...

Personally, I am torn. He doesn't fit our timeline and I don't think he makes enough difference to get the Jazz to the WCF with our current roster. That being said, is that too high of an expectation for the Jazz?

No, I didnt missed it, just the opposite - a spent some time reading and re-reading that, but still failed miserably to understand why you are talking about "too high of an expectation for the Jazz" in relation with that type of player.

[vtime]

I mentioned this in another thread but no response. With the Pacers logjam and them having two pgs that have been starting and need to play, would you give up a 1st round pick to get Andrew Nembhard as the point guard of the present and future? He actually started over more Gerald rookie teammate Benedict Mathurin last season. Size, shooting, playmaking, and defense.

[Inigo Montoya]

I mentioned this in another thread but no response. With the Pacers logjam and them having two pgs that have been starting and need to play, would you give up a 1st round pick to get Andrew Nembhard as the point guard of the present and future? He actually started over more Gerald rookie teammate Benedict Mathurin last season. Size, shooting, playmaking, and defense.

No, I would not give a FRP for Nembhard. Frankly, he's not a starter and he won't be on the Jazz and the one thing the Jazz do have is plenty of backups at the PG, so I don't see the point in trading for him.

[SoCalJazzFan]

https://brobible.com/sports/article/damian-lillard-agent-sends-warning/

Dame is ruining his legacy. While I don't blame him for wanting to play for a contender, he and his agent went from like 0 to 100 in a few weeks and he is doing exactly what he has mocked other stars for doing in the past.

[Inigo Montoya]

https://brobible.com/sports/article/damian-lillard-agent-sends-warning/

Dame is ruining his legacy. While I don't blame him for wanting to play for a contender, he and his agent went from like 0 to 100 in a few weeks and he is doing exactly what he has mocked other stars for doing in the past.

I don't have a problem with it because the Blazers are screwing him over. All he wants is to play for a championship caliber team after years of sacrificing his legacy and playoff success for the Blazers, allowing them to wallow in mediocrity and waste his career. Now they draft his replacement while continuing to be disingenuous about competing and stringing him along, pushing him out with their actions while coddling him with words. And worse, instead of doing right by him they are open to taking the best possible deal which means they could send him to a bottom feeder if that's who gives them the best offer. The way the Blazers are acting and have acted is exactly why players shouldn't be loyal. Lillard was loyal and the Blazers may very well screw him over. They are ruining it for the rest of the teams, like the Jazz, who would want and benefit from player loyalty.

[zero24gravity]

https://brobible.com/sports/article/damian-lillard-agent-sends-warning/

Dame is ruining his legacy. While I don't blame him for wanting to play for a contender, he and his agent went from like 0 to 100 in a few weeks and he is doing exactly what he has mocked other stars for doing in the past.

I don't have a problem with it because the Blazers are screwing him over. All he wants is to play for a championship caliber team after years of sacrificing his legacy and playoff success for the Blazers, allowing them to wallow in mediocrity and waste his career. Now they draft his replacement while continuing to be disingenuous about competing and stringing him along, pushing him out with their actions while coddling him with words. And worse, instead of doing right by him they are open to taking the best possible deal which means they could send him to a bottom feeder if that's who gives them the best offer. The way the Blazers are acting and have acted is exactly why players shouldn't be loyal. Lillard was loyal and the Blazers may very well screw him over. They are ruining it for the rest of the teams, like the Jazz, who would want and benefit from player loyalty.

I might agree if he had a list of 3-5 teams, but with publicly saying it's a one team list, that leaves the Blazers with zero leverage. It's the Portland FO's job to get the most they can for him, or at least a fair deal. He could have quietly told the Blazer ownership he wants to play for Miami, and let them try to take care of things without publicly wrecking the Blazer FO's ability to do their job and get decent value back for him. Do I think they owe Dame some love? Yes, 100%. And I think they would try to move him to a team he wants to go to, if they had a few options. But this is over the top, and hypocritical of Lillard, who has, up until now, made himself the posterboy for team loyalty and anti-superteam. I like Dame, but the way he's going about this is certainly a hit to his legacy. With all that said... even if I don't agree with it, he has a right to handle himself and his situation any way he wants. Same goes for the Blazers, who can trade him to the highest bidder despite Dame's wishes. Unfortunate situation.

[Hoops Addict]

I do not want Dame- He is a sweet player, but at about $50M a year...no way. Not good for our timeline.

[Rauxcee]

https://brobible.com/sports/article/damian-lillard-agent-sends-warning/

Dame is ruining his legacy. While I don't blame him for wanting to play for a contender, he and his agent went from like 0 to 100 in a few weeks and he is doing exactly what he has mocked other stars for doing in the past.

I don't have a problem with it because the Blazers are screwing him over. All he wants is to play for a championship caliber team after years of sacrificing his legacy and playoff success for the Blazers, allowing them to wallow in mediocrity and waste his career. Now they draft his replacement while continuing to be disingenuous about competing and stringing him along, pushing him out with their actions while coddling him with words. And worse, instead of doing right by him they are open to taking the best possible deal which means they could send him to a bottom feeder if that's who gives them the best offer. The way the Blazers are acting and have acted is exactly why players shouldn't be loyal. Lillard was loyal and the Blazers may very well screw him over. They are ruining it for the rest of the teams, like the Jazz, who would want and benefit from player loyalty.

Interesting take. I by no means think the Blazers are well run, but Dame screwed the Blazers over as much as the Blazers are screwing him. He took that ridiculous supermax contract knowing full well that he handicapped that team. He's sat on the bench in street clothes getting paid for years, he fails to show up in the playoffs (outside of like 2 series), and is asking the Blazers to make impossible moves- moves they partly can't make because he signed that terrible contract.

Both parties are responsible for this mess.

[vryadli]

Interesting take. I by no means think the Blazers are well run, but Dame screwed the Blazers over as much as the Blazers are screwing him. He took that ridiculous supermax contract knowing full well that he handicapped that team. He's sat on the bench in street clothes getting paid for years, he fails to show up in the playoffs (outside of like 2 series), and is asking the Blazers to make impossible moves- moves they partly can't make because he signed that terrible contract.

Both parties are responsible for this mess.

Basically, Blazers screwed him by trying to build a team around him as a leader. Doing that with Lillard by paying him 20% more in salary than Greek Freek (in 2022), that is definitely screwing Dame chances for the championship.

[Gert42]

While I'm not 100% opposed to trading for Lillard, I am against trading for him because what I disliked about the end of the Donovan/Rudy era, is that we had no assets under the age of 25. I would worry that we would give up too much of our rookies or future FRP's. While I don't think we should hold onto them forever, I don't think trading for Lillard puts the Jazz into a guaranteed Top 4 spot in the Western Conference.

[red4hf]

https://brobible.com/sports/article/damian-lillard-agent-sends-warning/

Dame is ruining his legacy. While I don't blame him for wanting to play for a contender, he and his agent went from like 0 to 100 in a few weeks and he is doing exactly what he has mocked other stars for doing in the past.

I don't have a problem with it because the Blazers are screwing him over. All he wants is to play for a championship caliber team after years of sacrificing his legacy and playoff success for the Blazers, allowing them to wallow in mediocrity and waste his career. Now they draft his replacement while continuing to be disingenuous about competing and stringing him along, pushing him out with their actions while coddling him with words. And worse, instead of doing right by him they are open to taking the best possible deal which means they could send him to a bottom feeder if that's who gives them the best offer. The way the Blazers are acting and have acted is exactly why players shouldn't be loyal. Lillard was loyal and the Blazers may very well screw him over. They are ruining it for the rest of the teams, like the Jazz, who would want and benefit from player loyalty.

Interesting take. I by no means think the Blazers are well run, but Dame screwed the Blazers over as much as the Blazers are screwing him. He took that ridiculous supermax contract knowing full well that he handicapped that team. He's sat on the bench in street clothes getting paid for years, he fails to show up in the playoffs (outside of like 2 series), and is asking the Blazers to make impossible moves- moves they partly can't make because he signed that terrible contract.

Both parties are responsible for this mess.

It's a bit weird to use a term like "loyalty" in connection to a player who signs a contract that no other team could offer him, and then signs an extension for more money than anyone else could offer him and then demands a trade, but only to a team of his choice that doesn't have anything to offer the Blazers......

[vtime]

I mentioned this in another thread but no response. With the Pacers logjam and them having two pgs that have been starting and need to play, would you give up a 1st round pick to get Andrew Nembhard as the point guard of the present and future? He actually started over more Gerald rookie teammate Benedict Mathurin last season. Size, shooting, playmaking, and defense.

No, I would not give a FRP for Nembhard. Frankly, he's not a starter and he won't be on the Jazz and the one thing the Jazz do have is plenty of backups at the PG, so I don't see the point in trading for him.

All I’ve read is who is going to the point guard or that th e Jazz need a pg. What makes you think Nembhard isn’t a starter? Did you follow his rookie season? He was very good as a starter.