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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#361 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:31 pm

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vtime wrote:I mentioned this in another thread but no response. With the Pacers logjam and them having two pgs that have been starting and need to play, would you give up a 1st round pick to get Andrew Nembhard as the point guard of the present and future? He actually started over more Gerald rookie teammate Benedict Mathurin last season. Size, shooting, playmaking, and defense.

No, I would not give a FRP for Nembhard. Frankly, he's not a starter and he won't be on the Jazz and the one thing the Jazz do have is plenty of backups at the PG, so I don't see the point in trading for him.


All I’ve read is who is going to the point guard or that th e Jazz need a pg. What makes you think Nembhard isn’t a starter? Did you follow his rookie season? He was very good as a starter.

I admit I haven't seen much of him but from what I did see, it's not that he's a bad player but at least to me, he doesn't look like he's clearly a better player than the ones we have on our roster who compete for the same position. As long as we're this stacked (although without a clear player who we think should be the PG) with players I don't see the point in trading for another player who isn't clearly better than the ones we have. If the Jazz thinned the ranks a bit, then maybe it's a conversation but as it stands, Hardy is going to have a hard time allotting playing time to all the players we have already.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#362 » by Wolverine » Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:59 pm

Ben Simmons requested a trade and the Jazz are amongst teams interested
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Post#363 » by Rauxcee » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:53 am

Wolverine wrote:Ben Simmons requested a trade and the Jazz are amongst teams interested


April 1st was a couple months ago.
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Post#364 » by AingesBurner » Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:31 am

Wolverine wrote:Ben Simmons requested a trade and the Jazz are amongst teams interested


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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#365 » by Wolverine » Wed Sep 27, 2023 10:53 pm

Woj saying Holiday will most likely be traded by Portland, that’s someone who we should consider
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#366 » by mg » Wed Sep 27, 2023 11:25 pm

Wolverine wrote:Woj saying Holiday will most likely be traded by Portland, that’s someone who we should consider


I don't see it. Jrue has a player option and can opt out of his contract next summer. I don't see Jazz taking that kind of risk to trade real assets for him especially when Ainge is still in asset accumulation mode. It's more likely a risk that a title contending type team would make though.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#367 » by Inigo Montoya » Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:10 am

Jrue is a player a team will go for when they try to compete for a ring at this stage of his career. He's 33 years old, so he doesn't really fit the Jazz's timeline, though in theory he could fill the Conley role for a year or two and mentor the young guys and help bring along Keyonte. I think he would fit the Jazz well but I don't think it's realistic.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#368 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:44 pm

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JC is not eligible for trade until Jan 6th. So, it would take two of THT, Sexton and/or Olynyk. I guess you could trade Collins for Herro, but I doubt the Jazz do that.

What do you think? Would you do it?

For me, its a tough call. I don't think that the Jazz are planning on keeping Sexton. Olynyk will be here for only this next year and doesn't fit the time line. However, Herro has a large contract ($30M/yr for the next 4 yrs) and even though Herro is young and fits the timeline and can score, his ws/40 and lack of defense give me pause.
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Post#369 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Sep 29, 2023 5:30 pm

I also don't know what to make of it. I get Herro is young and still has room to grow but his contract feels very large to me, and a head-to-head comparison to Clarkson of the last season shows their stats to be almost identical, with even a small edge to Clarkson, who is a player who costs half as much.

Maybe Herro's contract will look a bit better in time because of the new TV deal the NBA will sign, which will make salaries even higher in the future, and also if he continues to improve. Overall, if we get Herro, I won't hate it but won't be excited about it either, and a lot will depend on the assets we'd be giving up. If all it takes is THT and Olynyk, then it'll be a pretty good deal for the Jazz, and it also works: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7866559
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Post#370 » by SoCalJazzFan » Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:11 pm

It has been assumed that the new tv contract will bring in a lot more money to the leauge, but the Pac12 just got bit in the arse during their negotiations. It seems that the media landscape is changing, for the worse for leagues and teams.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#371 » by tester551 » Sat Sep 30, 2023 7:54 am

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JC is not eligible for trade until Jan 6th. So, it would take two of THT, Sexton and/or Olynyk. I guess you could trade Collins for Herro, but I doubt the Jazz do that.

What do you think? Would you do it?

For me, its a tough call. I don't think that the Jazz are planning on keeping Sexton. Olynyk will be here for only this next year and doesn't fit the time line. However, Herro has a large contract ($30M/yr for the next 4 yrs) and even though Herro is young and fits the timeline and can score, his ws/40 and lack of defense give me pause.

JC can be traded by himself right now.

What about Brogdon?

Boston
Brogdon
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
2-second round picks

for
Holiday


Utah
John Collins
'26 Minny/Cleveland first

for
Brogdon


Portland
Holiday

for
John Collins
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
'26 Minny/Cleveland first
2-second round picks
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#372 » by red4hf » Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:25 am

tester551 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:
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JC is not eligible for trade until Jan 6th. So, it would take two of THT, Sexton and/or Olynyk. I guess you could trade Collins for Herro, but I doubt the Jazz do that.

What do you think? Would you do it?

For me, its a tough call. I don't think that the Jazz are planning on keeping Sexton. Olynyk will be here for only this next year and doesn't fit the time line. However, Herro has a large contract ($30M/yr for the next 4 yrs) and even though Herro is young and fits the timeline and can score, his ws/40 and lack of defense give me pause.

JC can be traded by himself right now.

What about Brogdon?

Boston
Brogdon
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
2-second round picks

for
Holiday


Utah
John Collins
'26 Minny/Cleveland first

for
Brogdon


Portland
Holiday

for
John Collins
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
'26 Minny/Cleveland first
2-second round picks



Why? Why would the Jazz do this?
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#373 » by Inigo Montoya » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:09 pm

I don't like it for the Jazz at all.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#374 » by AingesBurner » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:44 pm

tester551 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:
Read on Twitter


JC is not eligible for trade until Jan 6th. So, it would take two of THT, Sexton and/or Olynyk. I guess you could trade Collins for Herro, but I doubt the Jazz do that.

What do you think? Would you do it?

For me, its a tough call. I don't think that the Jazz are planning on keeping Sexton. Olynyk will be here for only this next year and doesn't fit the time line. However, Herro has a large contract ($30M/yr for the next 4 yrs) and even though Herro is young and fits the timeline and can score, his ws/40 and lack of defense give me pause.

JC can be traded by himself right now.

What about Brogdon?

Boston
Brogdon
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
2-second round picks

for
Holiday


Utah
John Collins
'26 Minny/Cleveland first

for
Brogdon


Portland
Holiday

for
John Collins
Williams III
'24 GSW pick
'26 Minny/Cleveland first
2-second round picks


Brogdon doesn’t have this value.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#375 » by Catchall » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:05 pm

Not a rumor, but if I were the Jazz I'd put in calls this year on Brandon Ingram.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#376 » by FJS » Mon Nov 6, 2023 6:13 pm

I'm done with Sexton, and almost done with THT. I don't care too much right now about trading Clarkson. They can't play at pg and their TO in offense are equal to automatic points in our basket.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#377 » by Inigo Montoya » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:22 pm

The Jazz are clearly trying to groom George for that PG position. He's 6th on the team in minute per game at 20.7MPG and he played all 7 games. Hes' playing more than Sexton and Dunn, and also Olynyk, for example. THT is averaging 24.7MPG.
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#378 » by Hoops Addict » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:27 pm

FJS wrote:I'm done with Sexton, and almost done with THT. I don't care too much right now about trading Clarkson. They can't play at pg and their TO in offense are equal to automatic points in our basket.


Agree. Although I like Sexton and Clarkson, it is clear the future is George. What can we get for Sexton and Clarkson?
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Post#379 » by Hoops Addict » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:39 pm

FJS wrote:I'm done with Sexton, and almost done with THT. I don't care too much right now about trading Clarkson. They can't play at pg and their TO in offense are equal to automatic points in our basket.


Agree. Although I like Sexton and Clarkson, it is clear the future is George. What can we get for Sexton and Clarkson?
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Re: 2023 Trade Rumors 

Post#380 » by FJS » Wed Nov 8, 2023 10:47 am

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FJS wrote:I'm done with Sexton, and almost done with THT. I don't care too much right now about trading Clarkson. They can't play at pg and their TO in offense are equal to automatic points in our basket.


Agree. Although I like Sexton and Clarkson, it is clear the future is George. What can we get for Sexton and Clarkson?


Whatever, sometimes is addition by subtraction. Maybe THT, George, Dunn and Ochai playing the whole minutes is better than what we have right now.

Can you get some 1st. Is right. Can you get a real pg for any of them, is right. If we are going to lose, at least leave room.
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