2024 Trade Rumors

[AingesBurner]

One of the most frustrating comps I have seen in this whole process (not necessarily on this board), is the Lauri value comp to Siakam.

Besides the fact the PS is 3 years older, I don't think the Raptors wanted to resign him at all, whereas I think the Jazz will trade Lauri for the right haul, but would also be happy to have him in their long term plans.

As far as a Grant trade, I think that would move the Jazz from 14th in the West to 12th at best.

I do not think the Jazz want to keep Markkanen as there's zero path to contend with him unless they pull off the double miracle of:

1. Beat the lottery odds and get an elite prospect
2. Near immediately cash-in that prospect for a high level star.

Or unless Sexton or Markkanen become a top 10 player in the NBA.

The Raptors really wanted to keep Siakam for a very long time (he was the second best player on their only title team!) until it became clear that they had no path to contention with him.

I think the Jazz would get more than Siakam simply because Markkanen's max contract will cover all four prime years he will have left (whereas the last two years of Siakam's contract have a chance to be very bad), but it's not very hard to beat Siakam's deal.

If the Jazz trade Markkanen next year, I expect it to be the Spurs for a bunch of expirings, like the 8th pick, and a bunch of seconds.

I have to wonder what the Jazz do if they just can't get much for Markkanen moving forward. Not sure Ainge has the humility to accept an offer WAY lower than what he could have gotten at the 2024 deadline.

That’s assuming that they do trade him. Utah could sit him after the AS break and tank hard. You could get a high 25 pick, keep him, and get another star in 25 or 26.

[HadAnEffectHere]

One of the most frustrating comps I have seen in this whole process (not necessarily on this board), is the Lauri value comp to Siakam.

Besides the fact the PS is 3 years older, I don't think the Raptors wanted to resign him at all, whereas I think the Jazz will trade Lauri for the right haul, but would also be happy to have him in their long term plans.

As far as a Grant trade, I think that would move the Jazz from 14th in the West to 12th at best.

I do not think the Jazz want to keep Markkanen as there's zero path to contend with him unless they pull off the double miracle of:

1. Beat the lottery odds and get an elite prospect
2. Near immediately cash-in that prospect for a high level star.

Or unless Sexton or Markkanen become a top 10 player in the NBA.

The Raptors really wanted to keep Siakam for a very long time (he was the second best player on their only title team!) until it became clear that they had no path to contention with him.

I think the Jazz would get more than Siakam simply because Markkanen's max contract will cover all four prime years he will have left (whereas the last two years of Siakam's contract have a chance to be very bad), but it's not very hard to beat Siakam's deal.

If the Jazz trade Markkanen next year, I expect it to be the Spurs for a bunch of expirings, like the 8th pick, and a bunch of seconds.

I have to wonder what the Jazz do if they just can't get much for Markkanen moving forward. Not sure Ainge has the humility to accept an offer WAY lower than what he could have gotten at the 2024 deadline.

That’s assuming that they do trade him. Utah could sit him after the AS break and tank hard. You could get a high 25 pick, keep him, and get another star in 25 or 26.

These guys would take way too long to develop and by the time they were stars, Markkanen will be too old to play defense.

Flagg is ridiculously young for a draft prospect (one of the youngest prospects in NBA history and 6-12 months younger than most one-and-done prospects) and Edgecombe is a SF transitioning to PG. These guys are not going to hit the ground running as stars in the NBA.

[AingesBurner]

I do not think the Jazz want to keep Markkanen as there's zero path to contend with him unless they pull off the double miracle of:

1. Beat the lottery odds and get an elite prospect
2. Near immediately cash-in that prospect for a high level star.

Or unless Sexton or Markkanen become a top 10 player in the NBA.

The Raptors really wanted to keep Siakam for a very long time (he was the second best player on their only title team!) until it became clear that they had no path to contention with him.

I think the Jazz would get more than Siakam simply because Markkanen's max contract will cover all four prime years he will have left (whereas the last two years of Siakam's contract have a chance to be very bad), but it's not very hard to beat Siakam's deal.

If the Jazz trade Markkanen next year, I expect it to be the Spurs for a bunch of expirings, like the 8th pick, and a bunch of seconds.

I have to wonder what the Jazz do if they just can't get much for Markkanen moving forward. Not sure Ainge has the humility to accept an offer WAY lower than what he could have gotten at the 2024 deadline.

That’s assuming that they do trade him. Utah could sit him after the AS break and tank hard. You could get a high 25 pick, keep him, and get another star in 25 or 26.

These guys would take way too long to develop and by the time they were stars, Markkanen will be too old to play defense.

Flagg is ridiculously young for a draft prospect (one of the youngest prospects in NBA history and 6-12 months younger than most one-and-done prospects) and Edgecombe is a SF transitioning to PG. These guys are not going to hit the ground running as stars in the NBA.

Dirk was like 33 when he won his ring… Dirk and Lauri have similar games.

[BigJimFinn]

That’s assuming that they do trade him. Utah could sit him after the AS break and tank hard. You could get a high 25 pick, keep him, and get another star in 25 or 26.

These guys would take way too long to develop and by the time they were stars, Markkanen will be too old to play defense.

Flagg is ridiculously young for a draft prospect (one of the youngest prospects in NBA history and 6-12 months younger than most one-and-done prospects) and Edgecombe is a SF transitioning to PG. These guys are not going to hit the ground running as stars in the NBA.

Dirk was like 33 when he won his ring… Dirk and Lauri have similar games.

Sorry but I have to side with the negativity of HAEH on this and dispute that similarity claim.

Dirk was never good at running around, but he didn't need to. Lauri's unique value and the basis of any star quality he has is specifically his mobility at 7' and skill at catching and finishing on the move, which only Hardy realised and unlocked his offense.

Yeah, both are really good seven-foot jump shooters, but Dirk was only a high volume 3pt shooter (for his era) at the beginning and end of his career. Peak Dirk's office was posting up around the free-throw line, where he would hit the middy, draw a foul or pass. More than 60% of his shots were 2pt jumpers, which he obviously hit at an all-time great level, but that left his EFG% below current standards. He only made about one 3-pointer per game. The key to his efficiency in that era was the ability to take his jumper and make half of them, while drawing a nice number of FTs and making 90% of them. His passing from the high post also helped. So, Dirk was a mostly stationary on-ball offensive weapon, with usage around 30%.

Lauri on the other hand is an elite off-ball player who creates gravity by his movement. The combination of high-volume catch-and-shoot threes, catch-and-drives off the elbow curl, back-cut rim finishes, transition buckets and putbacks gives him a pretty unique scoring potential off the ball, but it depends on athleticism and mobility. He is unfortunately still pretty weak at scoring or passing from post-ups, even mismatched against smalls. It is also noteworthy that despite missing a lot of games every season to injuries, they have mostly been upper-body issues. Lauri's legs have remained fairly intact. If he has a serious knee injury or just loses some of his athleticism with age, he would still be a useful 7' spot-up shooter, but that version is nowhere near a max player or #2 on a contender. Unless he can develop an effective stationary offense with post-ups and passing, his value will diminish with time.

Lauri could well offer 30% max value for most of his next contract, but I share the scepticism of him being a core player for a really good team from 2028 onwards, as well as the doubts of the Jazz being able to build a really good team with the current prospects and picks. Lauri would be better off, on the court at least, if he could join a team with a true #1 playmaking star and a clear path towards contending. I keep dreaming of him in Denver or San Antonio.

[AingesBurner]

These guys would take way too long to develop and by the time they were stars, Markkanen will be too old to play defense.

Flagg is ridiculously young for a draft prospect (one of the youngest prospects in NBA history and 6-12 months younger than most one-and-done prospects) and Edgecombe is a SF transitioning to PG. These guys are not going to hit the ground running as stars in the NBA.

Dirk was like 33 when he won his ring… Dirk and Lauri have similar games.

Sorry but I have to side with the negativity of HAEH on this and dispute that similarity claim.

Dirk was never good at running around, but he didn't need to. Lauri's unique value and the basis of any star quality he has is specifically his mobility at 7' and skill at catching and finishing on the move, which only Hardy realised and unlocked his offense.

Yeah, both are really good seven-foot jump shooters, but Dirk was only a high volume 3pt shooter (for his era) at the beginning and end of his career. Peak Dirk's office was posting up around the free-throw line, where he would hit the middy, draw a foul or pass. More than 60% of his shots were 2pt jumpers, which he obviously hit at an all-time great level, but that left his EFG% below current standards. He only made about one 3-pointer per game. The key to his efficiency in that era was the ability to take his jumper and make half of them, while drawing a nice number of FTs and making 90% of them. His passing from the high post also helped. So, Dirk was a mostly stationary on-ball offensive weapon, with usage around 30%.

Lauri on the other hand is an elite off-ball player who creates gravity by his movement. The combination of high-volume catch-and-shoot threes, catch-and-drives off the elbow curl, back-cut rim finishes, transition buckets and putbacks gives him a pretty unique scoring potential off the ball, but it depends on athleticism and mobility. He is unfortunately still pretty weak at scoring or passing from post-ups, even mismatched against smalls. It is also noteworthy that despite missing a lot of games every season to injuries, they have mostly been upper-body issues. Lauri's legs have remained fairly intact. If he has a serious knee injury or just loses some of his athleticism with age, he would still be a useful 7' spot-up shooter, but that version is nowhere near a max player or #2 on a contender. Unless he can develop an effective stationary offense with post-ups and passing, his value will diminish with time.

Lauri could well offer 30% max value for most of his next contract, but I share the scepticism of him being a core player for a really good team from 2028 onwards, as well as the doubts of the Jazz being able to build a really good team with the current prospects and picks. Lauri would be better off, on the court at least, if he could join a team with a true #1 playmaking star and a clear path towards contending. I keep dreaming of him in Denver or San Antonio.

Denver has no assets and San Antonio needs to add a few more pieces through the draft as well.

Lauri doesn’t need to rely on athleticism to be good. I still think we are the 2000s Celtics and Lauri is PP.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Think it's clear Ainge completely misjudged how much value Lauri would lose once he was certain to be getting a max contract in the second apron era.

The Warriors and Kings refusing to give up fairly middling prospects in Kuminga and Keegan Murray is a pretty strong sign that Lauri will be here for the whole time Ainge is here unless Ainge is willing to massively lower his asking price. However, trading Lauri for way less than he would have gotten at the 2024 deadline to trigger a 5+ year rebuild would just get Ainge fired so I would guess Lauri is just here as long as Ainge is here.

[AingesBurner]

Think it's clear Ainge completely misjudged how much value Lauri would lose once he was certain to be getting a max contract in the second apron era.

The Warriors and Kings refusing to give up fairly middling prospects in Kuminga and Keegan Murray is a pretty strong sign that Lauri will be here for the whole time Ainge is here unless Ainge is willing to massively lower his asking price. However, trading Lauri for way less than he would have gotten at the 2024 deadline to trigger a 5+ year rebuild would just get Ainge fired so I would guess Lauri is just here as long as Ainge is here.

The Warriors don’t want to be asset less after Curry is done in a year or two. I don’t blame them but you have to pay up to get something back.

Keegan Murray is cheap at the moment so the Kings can have a cheap PF with potential. Utah should not fire sale an asset, that’s a Dennis Lindsey move. If Lauri was acting like Hayward then trade him but he’s not. Ainge’s asset management has been pretty damn good.

Utah will be bad next year, a starting lineup of:
Keyonte-Williams-Hendricks-Lauri-Kessler is going to be bad, really bad. I also guarantee that Lauri will sit out 20+ games for phantom injuries. We will be tanking hard.

Finally, teams that were contenders at the deadline had no assets. Were we supposed to trade Lauri for middling assets to tank for a bad draft? Quit living in La La Land.

[Inigo Montoya]

Half the league is chasing Markkanen and the other half wishes they could. His value hasn't gone down, quite the opposite.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Half the league is chasing Markkanen and the other half wishes they could. His value hasn't gone down, quite the opposite.

His value has obviously gone down massively as teams would have gotten to trade for him on a 2 year, $36m contract and now will have to trade for him on a 4 year, $207m contract.

The lack of good offers (the best offers seem to be like 3 firsts from the Kings or the Warriors and a refusal to give up middling prospects) for Markkanen this offseason seems strongly suggestive of him having nowhere near the trade value he used to and that was hoped for.

I have no idea what Ainge's win now move will be, but he clearly has to do something by the 2026 deadline to keep his job.

[bkohler]

but he clearly has to do something by the 2026 deadline to keep his job.

I think you might be greatly underestimating how much latitude Danny will get.

[Catchall]

Lauri is an All Star, a true stretch big and two-way player. Any team that was going to trade for him was going to pay him as such. His contract isn't going to be a detriment.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Lauri is an All Star, a true stretch big and two-way player. Any team that was going to trade for him was going to pay him as such. His contract isn't going to be a detriment.

Markkanen has just gone from worth way more than his contract (at the 2024 deadline) to... worth his contract.

Which makes him far less valuable to trade away.

[dr0welf]

What do you guys think about this trade proposal:
https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-bi-to-utah-pelicans-rework-backcourt-defensive-ace-returns-to-atl-01j4fdjppqv6

[babyjax13]

What do you guys think about this trade proposal:
https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-bi-to-utah-pelicans-rework-backcourt-defensive-ace-returns-to-atl-01j4fdjppqv6

A) I would rather tank,
B) but if we did that, I don't think we would or should include Sexton

[Inigo Montoya]

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[dr0welf]

What do you guys think about this trade proposal:
https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-bi-to-utah-pelicans-rework-backcourt-defensive-ace-returns-to-atl-01j4fdjppqv6

A) I would rather tank,
B) but if we did that, I don't think we would or should include Sexton

I agree, I would rather have Sexton then McCollum. A Sexton, George, Markkanen, Ingram, Kesler lineup would be pretty good with some youth coming off the bench. I don't think it gets us quite in contention. But Markkanen, Ingram, Sexton are a pretty solid 3 IMHO

[AGE1207]

Markannen is extending - best news all season

[Inigo Montoya]

Markannen is extending - best news all season

Is it official? Any news?

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[HadAnEffectHere]

The sheer amount of hype Ainge is leaking about the 2025 draft class to the media feels like desperation (which is again in this article). No one other than Edgecombe is nearly athletic enough to be a high level star. This draft is headed to 2021 Part 2, which was a very good class that produced zero players better than Lauri Markkanen. The best you can hope for is getting a Cade Cunningham or Scottie Barnes.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Let's say the Jazz don't get a high level prospect in the 2025 draft and they get a prospect comparable to like Jalen Suggs.

What should they do afterwards.