NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread

Moderators: Inigo Montoya, FJS

KqWIN
RealGM
Posts: 15,520
And1: 6,361
Joined: May 15, 2014
 

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#381 » by KqWIN » Sun Nov 8, 2020 6:03 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.

Hopefully we get our new Gobert and not our new Trey Burke.

For whatever it's worth this was posted on Hawks reddit by someone claiming to be Hawks insider:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/comments/jon766/hawks_leaks_thread_two/

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?


I can't see this trade happening. The Jazz have nothing to trade. It was all spent on Conley.

In hypothetical world, I'm sure the Jazz would be targeting Okoro/Vassell/Williams. If there's one thing Locke has been consistent on, it's that the Jazz are looking for a wing who can defend. I think Williams would probably be my favorite out of that bunch, but not something I would sell the farm for....if we had a farm at all.

Read on Twitter


I wouldn't consider Josh Green to be much worse as a prospect. He's got good measurables, athleticism, and I believe in his shooting as much as anyone besides Vassell...

PS: Okoro's shooting numbers are kinda wild for a potential top 5 guy. 67% FT, 29% 3FG, 16% Mid range...Getting some serious Stanley Johnson vibes here.
AingesBurner
RealGM
Posts: 15,249
And1: 3,906
Joined: Jan 18, 2013
   

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#382 » by AingesBurner » Sun Nov 8, 2020 6:27 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.

Hopefully we get our new Gobert and not our new Trey Burke.

For whatever it's worth this was posted on Hawks reddit by someone claiming to be Hawks insider:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/comments/jon766/hawks_leaks_thread_two/

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?


If you read a paragraph below it says the Hawks are about to acquire a 19 PPG scorer so Bogey and maybe Conley fall under that.
Ingles is cooked.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#383 » by Catchall » Sun Nov 8, 2020 6:56 pm

stitches wrote:
-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?


If the Jazz were at #6, I think they'd be looking at Okoro, Toppin, Avdija or maybe Williams. They'd be looking for a skilled, dynamic forward to complement Mitchell. They'd be looking for someone with All Star potential.
AingesBurner
RealGM
Posts: 15,249
And1: 3,906
Joined: Jan 18, 2013
   

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#384 » by AingesBurner » Sun Nov 8, 2020 6:58 pm

Catchall wrote:
stitches wrote:
-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?


If the Jazz were at #6, I think they'd be looking at Okoro, Toppin, Avdija or maybe Williams. They'd be looking for a skilled, dynamic forward to complement Mitchell. They'd be looking for someone with All Star potential.


You have to wonder what we are giving up to get #6, I hope it’s something like Conley, filler, 23, and future pick.
Ingles is cooked.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#385 » by Catchall » Sun Nov 8, 2020 6:59 pm

sip wrote:If I'm the jazz I am targeting Wiseman if we want to move up and obviously Gobert is the only asset that can get us there. It is crazy to me that Wiseman isn't viewed as the consensus number 1 pick. His size and skillet is incredible to me. When I look at him I see David Robinson offensively. Not defensively but still disruptive on that end as well. I get why the wolves would pass on him with KAT but if I'm the warriors it is a no brainer to draft him. A Wiseman/Mitchell duo offensively could be really really special.

Sent from my SM-G988U using RealGM mobile app


Wiseman may be the only prospect in this draft that I'd consider trading Gobert for. The argument would be to get someone younger to grow alongside Mitchell, who also only costs only 1/3 of what Gobert is going to cost. That difference could allow the Jazz to sign a significant FA who would come to play next to Mitchell/Wiseman.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#386 » by Catchall » Sun Nov 8, 2020 7:02 pm

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.

Hopefully we get our new Gobert and not our new Trey Burke.

For whatever it's worth this was posted on Hawks reddit by someone claiming to be Hawks insider:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/comments/jon766/hawks_leaks_thread_two/

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?


If you read a paragraph below it says the Hawks are about to acquire a 19 PPG scorer so Bogey and maybe Conley fall under that.


Bogdanovic is a 20-pt scorer as of last year, and he has a 14 ppg career average. I don't see why anyone would call him a 19-pt scorer.

I also have no idea why the Hawks would want Conley.

However, I could see a three-team deal where Conley goes to Dallas, THJ and a pick goes to ATL, while ATL sends something back to the Jazz.

This is contingent upon the Jazz being confident that they can re-sign Gobert, so the Mavs don't steal him in free agency in a year.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#387 » by Catchall » Sun Nov 8, 2020 7:08 pm

KqWIN wrote:PS: Okoro's shooting numbers are kinda wild for a potential top 5 guy. 67% FT, 29% 3FG, 16% Mid range...Getting some serious Stanley Johnson vibes here.


You're supposed to be getting Jaylen Brown vibes. Jaylen was 29% 3pt and 65% FT in his one year at Cal.
KqWIN
RealGM
Posts: 15,520
And1: 6,361
Joined: May 15, 2014
 

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#388 » by KqWIN » Sun Nov 8, 2020 8:00 pm

Catchall wrote:
KqWIN wrote:PS: Okoro's shooting numbers are kinda wild for a potential top 5 guy. 67% FT, 29% 3FG, 16% Mid range...Getting some serious Stanley Johnson vibes here.


You're supposed to be getting Jaylen Brown vibes. Jaylen was 29% 3pt and 65% FT in his one year at Cal.


Jaylen Brown was a much different player in college. 30% usage compared to 20% usage. That's about the same difference as Devin Booker and Miles Bridges. Even though he wasn't that good at it, Jaylen Brown was a scorer in college. That's how he played and combined with his HS reputation it was clear that this was the type of prospect he was.
User avatar
stitches
RealGM
Posts: 14,462
And1: 6,912
Joined: Jul 14, 2014
 

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#389 » by stitches » Sun Nov 8, 2020 8:26 pm

Catchall wrote:
KqWIN wrote:PS: Okoro's shooting numbers are kinda wild for a potential top 5 guy. 67% FT, 29% 3FG, 16% Mid range...Getting some serious Stanley Johnson vibes here.


You're supposed to be getting Jaylen Brown vibes. Jaylen was 29% 3pt and 65% FT in his one year at Cal.

I don't think those are safe comparisons. Jaylen Brown had great pedigree and was considered like... top 3 type of prospect before college. Okoro was never that. Brown was a high pedigree and high usage player with mediocre efficiency. Okoro is low usage player with mediocre efficiency. It's much harder for the latter to improve into what Brown has become. Also... I'm not sure making that bet (even with Brown type of prospect) repeatedly will give you good results in the long run. You better have a real good reason as to why you think Okoro can get to Brown type of player. I don't really see it with him from the little I've seen of him.
AingesBurner
RealGM
Posts: 15,249
And1: 3,906
Joined: Jan 18, 2013
   

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#390 » by AingesBurner » Sun Nov 8, 2020 8:42 pm

Patrick Williams is likely the guy we go after if we are trying to move up.
Ingles is cooked.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#391 » by Catchall » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:37 am

GobertReport wrote:Patrick Williams is likely the guy we go after if we are trying to move up.


Patrick Williams really stands out in this draft for me. I have him top 8. Remember that Dennis Lindsey was the guy who made a draft-day trade to select Kawhi Leonard in San Antonio.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#392 » by Catchall » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:38 am

stitches wrote:
Catchall wrote:
KqWIN wrote:PS: Okoro's shooting numbers are kinda wild for a potential top 5 guy. 67% FT, 29% 3FG, 16% Mid range...Getting some serious Stanley Johnson vibes here.


You're supposed to be getting Jaylen Brown vibes. Jaylen was 29% 3pt and 65% FT in his one year at Cal.

I don't think those are safe comparisons. Jaylen Brown had great pedigree and was considered like... top 3 type of prospect before college. Okoro was never that. Brown was a high pedigree and high usage player with mediocre efficiency. Okoro is low usage player with mediocre efficiency. It's much harder for the latter to improve into what Brown has become. Also... I'm not sure making that bet (even with Brown type of prospect) repeatedly will give you good results in the long run. You better have a real good reason as to why you think Okoro can get to Brown type of player. I don't really see it with him from the little I've seen of him.


If you want an old-school comp for Isaac Okoro, it might be Mario Elie, who played for the Rockets and the Spurs. That said, I like Okoro's upside.
AingesBurner
RealGM
Posts: 15,249
And1: 3,906
Joined: Jan 18, 2013
   

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#393 » by AingesBurner » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:42 am

Catchall wrote:
GobertReport wrote:Patrick Williams is likely the guy we go after if we are trying to move up.


Patrick Williams really stands out in this draft for me. I have him top 8. Remember that Dennis Lindsey was the guy who made a draft-day trade to select Kawhi Leonard in San Antonio.


For sure, check out my trade on the T&T.
Ingles is cooked.
User avatar
babyjax13
RealGM
Posts: 35,305
And1: 17,780
Joined: Jul 02, 2006
Location: Fresno, eating Birria
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#394 » by babyjax13 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 1:28 am

Someone suggested Bogdanovic/O'neale for 6 (Hawks fan). I don't hate that if we decide to take an L on this season and try to really orient the team around Mitchell. Wouldn't love to see it, but it's at least intriguing.
Image

JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.

JColl
KqWIN
RealGM
Posts: 15,520
And1: 6,361
Joined: May 15, 2014
 

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#395 » by KqWIN » Mon Nov 9, 2020 2:36 am

At #23, here are the wing prospects:

Josh Green
Robert Woodard
Tyler Bey
Leandro Bomaro
Desmond Bane
Jalen McDaniels
Elijah Hughes
Cassious Stanley
User avatar
babyjax13
RealGM
Posts: 35,305
And1: 17,780
Joined: Jul 02, 2006
Location: Fresno, eating Birria
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#396 » by babyjax13 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 3:57 am

Patrick Williams may have a promise at 7.
Image

JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.

JColl
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#397 » by Catchall » Mon Nov 9, 2020 4:52 am

babyjax13 wrote:Patrick Williams may have a promise at 7.


He's getting compared to OG Anunoby as a pretty conservative outcome.
Catchall
RealGM
Posts: 20,528
And1: 11,114
Joined: Jul 06, 2008
     

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#398 » by Catchall » Mon Nov 9, 2020 4:57 am

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Okongwu might be my top player in this draft :lol: . I think the top of this draft is very, very bad.

This draft reminds me of the Anthony Bennet draft. Someone might find their Oladipo at the top, but there are going to be some huge busts. Hopefully there’s a Giannis or Gobert waiting for us at the end of the draft.

Hopefully we get our new Gobert and not our new Trey Burke.

For whatever it's worth this was posted on Hawks reddit by someone claiming to be Hawks insider:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AtlantaHawks/comments/jon766/hawks_leaks_thread_two/

-Obviously stuff all over, but I was told that Utah, surprisingly, was calling the Hawks often about moving up to the #6 pick as they are targeting a player who would be there. Obviously a big jump from where they are in the draft but it could turn into a 3-team deal where the Hawks get a few veteran pieces. Stay tuned on this one.


So... Jazz aparently want to trade up to that 5-6-7 range for someone specific. If that's the case then who is that player you guys think?

Also... what would it take to trade up to 6? I don't really feel like we have enough to trade that far up. Bogdanovic? Do they want Bogdanovic? Do we want to trade him?Can we extract value out of Conley's expiring via 3 team trade? What about Cleveland or Detroit? If we've contacted Atlanta, chances are we've done it with other teams in that range in case our guy falls there too?

Who might we be targeting? Okoro? Toppin? Hayes? Haliburton? Maledon?

Rumors are Ball has been stinking up the interviews and meetings with teams and might be falling... can it be him?


If you read a paragraph below it says the Hawks are about to acquire a 19 PPG scorer so Bogey and maybe Conley fall under that.


When you say "19 PPG scorer" that really sounds to me like Buddy Hield.
User avatar
stitches
RealGM
Posts: 14,462
And1: 6,912
Joined: Jul 14, 2014
 

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#399 » by stitches » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:15 am

Catchall wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
If you read a paragraph below it says the Hawks are about to acquire a 19 PPG scorer so Bogey and maybe Conley fall under that.


When you say "19 PPG scorer" that really sounds to me like Buddy Hield.

Or Tobias Harris? Conley to Philly, Harris to ATL... stuff/pick improvement to UTA?
User avatar
stitches
RealGM
Posts: 14,462
And1: 6,912
Joined: Jul 14, 2014
 

Re: NBA 2020 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#400 » by stitches » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:17 am

Catchall wrote:
stitches wrote:
Catchall wrote:
You're supposed to be getting Jaylen Brown vibes. Jaylen was 29% 3pt and 65% FT in his one year at Cal.

I don't think those are safe comparisons. Jaylen Brown had great pedigree and was considered like... top 3 type of prospect before college. Okoro was never that. Brown was a high pedigree and high usage player with mediocre efficiency. Okoro is low usage player with mediocre efficiency. It's much harder for the latter to improve into what Brown has become. Also... I'm not sure making that bet (even with Brown type of prospect) repeatedly will give you good results in the long run. You better have a real good reason as to why you think Okoro can get to Brown type of player. I don't really see it with him from the little I've seen of him.


If you want an old-school comp for Isaac Okoro, it might be Mario Elie, who played for the Rockets and the Spurs. That said, I like Okoro's upside.

So... I've been looking into some of those guys last week or so... Can anybody tell me why is Okoro considered a better prospect than Patrick Williams?

Return to Utah Jazz