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Rauxcee wrote:Catchall wrote:I might consider this if Detroit gives the Jazz their top-7 lottery pick and Golden State gives the Jazz 2 future 1sts.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yyk5tc3o
Gobert is worth more than that, especially as Grant is a free agent next summer.
Rauxcee wrote:Whole Truth wrote:What kind of return value would Utah be looking for concerning Conley ?
Any. If the Jazz don't have to give up value to move Conley, then it's a win for the Jazz.
Whole Truth wrote:Rauxcee wrote:Whole Truth wrote:What kind of return value would Utah be looking for concerning Conley ?
Any. If the Jazz don't have to give up value to move Conley, then it's a win for the Jazz.
What would you think if NO's offered - (Graham, Hayes, Temple) for (Conley) ?.
GobertReport wrote:Whole Truth wrote:Rauxcee wrote:
Any. If the Jazz don't have to give up value to move Conley, then it's a win for the Jazz.
What would you think if NO's offered - (Graham, Hayes, Temple) for (Conley) ?.
How tall is Graham?
Whole Truth wrote:GobertReport wrote:Whole Truth wrote:
What would you think if NO's offered - (Graham, Hayes, Temple) for (Conley) ?.
How tall is Graham?
If I'm not mistaken 6'3"
If Utah doesn't like Graham, he's basically the salary filler. Hayes is the intended value in the packlage. Still 21/22, he just showed he's best suited at PF with Zion returning from injury & they have Nance backing him up.. NO's are facing 3 max contracts with Zion, BI & CJ where they' want to avoid having to extend Hayes rookie contract in a couple yrs for cap purposes.
GobertReport wrote:Whole Truth wrote:GobertReport wrote:
How tall is Graham?
If I'm not mistaken 6'3"
If Utah doesn't like Graham, he's basically the salary filler. Hayes is the intended value in the packlage. Still 21/22, he just showed he's best suited at PF with Zion returning from injury & they have Nance backing him up.. NO's are facing 3 max contracts with Zion, BI & CJ where they' want to avoid having to extend Hayes rookie contract in a couple yrs for cap purposes.
What’s going on with Hayes legal troubles?
Whole Truth wrote:Rauxcee wrote:Whole Truth wrote:What kind of return value would Utah be looking for concerning Conley ?
Any. If the Jazz don't have to give up value to move Conley, then it's a win for the Jazz.
What would you think if NO's offered - (Graham, Hayes, Temple) for (Conley) ?.
dr0welf wrote:Whole Truth wrote:Rauxcee wrote:
Any. If the Jazz don't have to give up value to move Conley, then it's a win for the Jazz.
What would you think if NO's offered - (Graham, Hayes, Temple) for (Conley) ?.
I like Graham and Hayes, I would actually look at this. It doesn't help with size issues as Graham is 6'1" as well as Mitchell
Maybe we include Indiana and do something like:
NO out: Graham, Hayes, Temple
NO in: Conley
Ind out: Brogdon
Ind in: Graham, Temple, Gay
Ut out: Conley, Gay
Ut in: Brogdon, Hayes
NO would get same thing, same players out and same player in as OP. Indiana has been rumored to move on from Brogdon, they replace with a younger player in Graham plus they get some team players in Temple and Gay at really good price to help keep salary low as they rebuild. UT gets a taller PG and potential in Hayes at PF. Hayes might be the big that could work with a smaller line up.
Whole Truth wrote:dr0welf wrote:Whole Truth wrote:
What would you think if NO's offered - (Graham, Hayes, Temple) for (Conley) ?.
I like Graham and Hayes, I would actually look at this. It doesn't help with size issues as Graham is 6'1" as well as Mitchell
Maybe we include Indiana and do something like:
NO out: Graham, Hayes, Temple
NO in: Conley
Ind out: Brogdon
Ind in: Graham, Temple, Gay
Ut out: Conley, Gay
Ut in: Brogdon, Hayes
NO would get same thing, same players out and same player in as OP. Indiana has been rumored to move on from Brogdon, they replace with a younger player in Graham plus they get some team players in Temple and Gay at really good price to help keep salary low as they rebuild. UT gets a taller PG and potential in Hayes at PF. Hayes might be the big that could work with a smaller line up.
Of course the result is the same for NO's so I'm good with it but Utah is not only getting the better asset in the deal. You're getting the better asset from both teams. Hayes from NO's & Brogdon from IND. Graham & Temple are salary fillers, Graham a bit of a negative contract. So you're essentially trading Gay for Brogdon where I think if you keep Temple & send Hayes to IND with maybe some pick compensation it starts to look a little more reasonable for IND, JMO.
NO's out - (Graham, Temple, Hayes)
NO's in - (Conley)
IND out - (Brogdon)
IND in - (Gay, Graham, Hayes, pick comp?)
Utah out - (Conley, Gay, pick comp?)
Utah in - (Brogdon, Temple)
IMO, if there was no need for pick compensation, NO's would cut Utah out the deal for Brogdon. The value for Indy, would be Hayes & a FRP.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:Whole Truth wrote:dr0welf wrote:
I like Graham and Hayes, I would actually look at this. It doesn't help with size issues as Graham is 6'1" as well as Mitchell
Maybe we include Indiana and do something like:
NO out: Graham, Hayes, Temple
NO in: Conley
Ind out: Brogdon
Ind in: Graham, Temple, Gay
Ut out: Conley, Gay
Ut in: Brogdon, Hayes
NO would get same thing, same players out and same player in as OP. Indiana has been rumored to move on from Brogdon, they replace with a younger player in Graham plus they get some team players in Temple and Gay at really good price to help keep salary low as they rebuild. UT gets a taller PG and potential in Hayes at PF. Hayes might be the big that could work with a smaller line up.
Of course the result is the same for NO's so I'm good with it but Utah is not only getting the better asset in the deal. You're getting the better asset from both teams. Hayes from NO's & Brogdon from IND. Graham & Temple are salary fillers, Graham a bit of a negative contract. So you're essentially trading Gay for Brogdon where I think if you keep Temple & send Hayes to IND with maybe some pick compensation it starts to look a little more reasonable for IND, JMO.
NO's out - (Graham, Temple, Hayes)
NO's in - (Conley)
IND out - (Brogdon)
IND in - (Gay, Graham, Hayes, pick comp?)
Utah out - (Conley, Gay, pick comp?)
Utah in - (Brogdon, Temple)
IMO, if there was no need for pick compensation, NO's would cut Utah out the deal for Brogdon. The value for Indy, would be Hayes & a FRP.
We essentially don't have picks to offer.
Whole Truth wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Whole Truth wrote:
Of course the result is the same for NO's so I'm good with it but Utah is not only getting the better asset in the deal. You're getting the better asset from both teams. Hayes from NO's & Brogdon from IND. Graham & Temple are salary fillers, Graham a bit of a negative contract. So you're essentially trading Gay for Brogdon where I think if you keep Temple & send Hayes to IND with maybe some pick compensation it starts to look a little more reasonable for IND, JMO.
NO's out - (Graham, Temple, Hayes)
NO's in - (Conley)
IND out - (Brogdon)
IND in - (Gay, Graham, Hayes, pick comp?)
Utah out - (Conley, Gay, pick comp?)
Utah in - (Brogdon, Temple)
IMO, if there was no need for pick compensation, NO's would cut Utah out the deal for Brogdon. The value for Indy, would be Hayes & a FRP.
We essentially don't have picks to offer.
What do you think of Graham, Temple as salary filler & one of Kira Lewis or Jaxon Hayes for Conley?
Graham has an extra yr at 11m, where he could be considered a bit of a negative contract though NO's just gave up the 15th pick in this draft for him.
Temple is a non guaranteed 5m.
Both Hayes, Lewis are young former top 10 picks with potential at PF or PG. The reason NO's would be moving on from their untapped potential is because of position & extension purposes. If Utah has no interest, maybe they could be flipped in trade, 3 team deal, as the other poster suggested.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:Whole Truth wrote:babyjax13 wrote:We essentially don't have picks to offer.
What do you think of Graham, Temple as salary filler & one of Kira Lewis or Jaxon Hayes for Conley?
Graham has an extra yr at 11m, where he could be considered a bit of a negative contract though NO's just gave up the 15th pick in this draft for him.
Temple is a non guaranteed 5m.
Both Hayes, Lewis are young former top 10 picks with potential at PF or PG. The reason NO's would be moving on from their untapped potential is because of position & extension purposes. If Utah has no interest, maybe they could be flipped in trade, 3 team deal, as the other poster suggested.
I think Graham is an overpaid and bad player + a terrible fit for our group. If New York would offer someone like Alec Burks for him as part of a three-way, that's fine. I like Hayes. Lewis sucks, I go to Alabama and was down on him in the draft, I thought Herb was a clearly better player and that season he was just bench role-player...well...
He's small, he can't shoot, he's not really court aware, he can't defend, his one skill was supposed to be getting to the rim but he had pretty underwhelming athleticism. I don't think he is an NBA player. I could be sold on Hayes as a centerpiece of a Conley deal and think New Orleans could make it work, it would just need a third team.
Whole Truth wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Whole Truth wrote:
What do you think of Graham, Temple as salary filler & one of Kira Lewis or Jaxon Hayes for Conley?
Graham has an extra yr at 11m, where he could be considered a bit of a negative contract though NO's just gave up the 15th pick in this draft for him.
Temple is a non guaranteed 5m.
Both Hayes, Lewis are young former top 10 picks with potential at PF or PG. The reason NO's would be moving on from their untapped potential is because of position & extension purposes. If Utah has no interest, maybe they could be flipped in trade, 3 team deal, as the other poster suggested.
I think Graham is an overpaid and bad player + a terrible fit for our group. If New York would offer someone like Alec Burks for him as part of a three-way, that's fine. I like Hayes. Lewis sucks, I go to Alabama and was down on him in the draft, I thought Herb was a clearly better player and that season he was just bench role-player...well...
He's small, he can't shoot, he's not really court aware, he can't defend, his one skill was supposed to be getting to the rim but he had pretty underwhelming athleticism. I don't think he is an NBA player. I could be sold on Hayes as a centerpiece of a Conley deal and think New Orleans could make it work, it would just need a third team.
Can't argue with any of that, pretty accurate take.
Problem with Hayes for NO's is he showed he was best sioted playing PF with Zion set to retrun & with Nance needing to be extended as the backup 4, small ball 5.
NO's are facing 3 max contracts with Zion's extension where they would want to avoid having to extend Hayes rookie contract considering he's best suited at a position they more than have filled when you consider all of Herb, Bi & Murphy can play minutes there.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:Whole Truth wrote:babyjax13 wrote:
I think Graham is an overpaid and bad player + a terrible fit for our group. If New York would offer someone like Alec Burks for him as part of a three-way, that's fine. I like Hayes. Lewis sucks, I go to Alabama and was down on him in the draft, I thought Herb was a clearly better player and that season he was just bench role-player...well...
He's small, he can't shoot, he's not really court aware, he can't defend, his one skill was supposed to be getting to the rim but he had pretty underwhelming athleticism. I don't think he is an NBA player. I could be sold on Hayes as a centerpiece of a Conley deal and think New Orleans could make it work, it would just need a third team.
Can't argue with any of that, pretty accurate take.
Problem with Hayes for NO's is he showed he was best sioted playing PF with Zion set to retrun & with Nance needing to be extended as the backup 4, small ball 5.
NO's are facing 3 max contracts with Zion's extension where they would want to avoid having to extend Hayes rookie contract considering he's best suited at a position they more than have filled when you consider all of Herb, Bi & Murphy can play minutes there.
I am totally on-board for Hayes, I think he's a nice player, just need the right third team who needs a point guard and would be fine w/Graham!
Think we've seen enough of Hayes to know despite his basketball talent. He's far from "nice" I don't want that guy anywhere near our teambabyjax13 wrote:Whole Truth wrote:babyjax13 wrote:
I think Graham is an overpaid and bad player + a terrible fit for our group. If New York would offer someone like Alec Burks for him as part of a three-way, that's fine. I like Hayes. Lewis sucks, I go to Alabama and was down on him in the draft, I thought Herb was a clearly better player and that season he was just bench role-player...well...
He's small, he can't shoot, he's not really court aware, he can't defend, his one skill was supposed to be getting to the rim but he had pretty underwhelming athleticism. I don't think he is an NBA player. I could be sold on Hayes as a centerpiece of a Conley deal and think New Orleans could make it work, it would just need a third team.
Can't argue with any of that, pretty accurate take.
Problem with Hayes for NO's is he showed he was best sioted playing PF with Zion set to retrun & with Nance needing to be extended as the backup 4, small ball 5.
NO's are facing 3 max contracts with Zion's extension where they would want to avoid having to extend Hayes rookie contract considering he's best suited at a position they more than have filled when you consider all of Herb, Bi & Murphy can play minutes there.
I am totally on-board for Hayes, I think he's a nice player, just need the right third team who needs a point guard and would be fine w/Graham!
Crunch 99 wrote:"If the Utah Jazz decide to reset, what could they get for Rudy Gobert of Donovan Mitchell", by Eric Walden and Andy Larsen at SL Trib.
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/05/13/if-utah-jazz-decide-reset/
I was able to read a free version of this story once, but now I can't get a free read back to quote. One of the alleged options was appealing. It was cleaning out the Knicks of R.J Barrett and multiple first round picks for a haul for Mitchell that is similar to the haul OKC got for Paul George. That trade was Paul George for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Gallinari and five first round picks. If we could get a haul like that for DM, I would go for it, but I am not certain that kind of return is realistic.
Crunch 99 wrote:I don't think there is something fundamentally wrong with the idea of building a team with Mitchell and Gobert as your two center pieces. I just think the front office hasn't done a particularly good job building around them, and recognize that with current factors like a dearth of draft picks and our third highest player seemingly aging out, it is getting increasingly difficult to successfully build around them. Our new front office still might manage to do it though.
