Jazz trade Ingles & Hughes for N.Alexander-Walker & J.Hernangomez

[CAE15]

If we're not going for a KZ or Bembry I'm perfectly fine with Hernangomez on the roster. I think he has some tools that can be utilized in a system like ours.

[Catchall]

I've been watching some more tape of NAW. One of the main issues is that the Pels have been playing him primarily at PG when he's really a 2-guard. He shoots much better when he doesn't need to be the primary ball handler, when he can get his feet set, and when he can set up his drives with the right angles and timing. He had good numbers as a rookie, but that was when the Pels had Jrue Holiday and Lonzo Ball to share the ball-handling duties.

After the Pels traded away Jrue and then Lonzo, they started depending on NAW too much to create a lot in an offense with very little structure and mediocre talent around him. He looks overwhelmed. He's been forcing plays, whether that's forcing passes in the paint or taking tough contested mid-range jumpers off the dribble. He's going to look a lot better with someone else handling the PG duties, so he can play on the wing. He won't be relied upon as the primary creator or scorer. He'll also be able to lock in on defense.

[Crunch 99]

Ok, Here's a "Hmmm..." thought.

Spoiler:

Ingles has said several times that he expected to be traded after the injury, he was hopeful they would trade him for a player that would be a positive for the team. Not sure NAW is all that, but given his raw talents as a first round pick, it's possible he could be a net positive by seasons end. Ingles said he understood the business, but was still a bit emotional when it actually happened. He then indicated that he was committed to returning "Better than ever" and would be staying in Utah to rehab, to allow his kids to stay in their schools and not uproot his family. Although he is now officially a member of the Blazers, are there rules that don't allow players to use other teams facilities for rehab etc.? While it's no big news to state Ingles has lost a step this year, what he brought to the team, that maybe is more important is his leadership, his ability to be a mediator, and a glue guy in the locker room.

Let's just say he is allowed to use the Jazz rehab facilities since he is living in SLC. I believe he, and the Jazz, have a mutual loyalty and he has personal relationships with the main players, that he, as their friend, would continue to cultivate. Maybe the team still can keep that aspect of having Ingles around as he rehabs. He continues to lead and mentor through "Casual contact and/or interaction" while rehabbing even though he is technically not a member of the team. Then, after his contract expires and he heals, he returns as either a bench playing vet, or some sort of assistant coach, all while never really leaving...

Probably dreaming, but best of two worlds: With the injury and Joe not Abel to contribute at all for the duration of this season, we get a payer who will not have a significant drop-off in game contributions, and we still maintain the other important intangibles that makes Ingles very valuable.

I think Ingles will most certainly remain socially active with Jazz players, but I seriously doubt he could use Jazz facilities and Jazz personnel for rehab. Seems like that would be tampering. By the way, the Portland Trailblazers have expressed an interest in re-signing Joe after his contract expires.

Personally, I am not all that excited about re-signing Joe next summer, thinking that we need younger, more energetic players out there. When both Gay and Ingles on the court, we look old and slow imo. However, I would be interested at re-signing Joe at the one year veteran minimum. I would also be very enthusiastic about Ingles returning to the Jazz team in another capacity like coach or announcer.

[Catchall]

I've been watching some more tape of NAW. One of the main issues is that the Pels have been playing him primarily at PG when he's really a 2-guard. He shoots much better when he doesn't need to be the primary ball handler, when he can get his feet set, and when he can set up his drives with the right angles and timing. He had good numbers as a rookie, but that was when the Pels had Jrue Holiday and Lonzo Ball to share the ball-handling duties.

After the Pels traded away Jrue and then Lonzo, they started depending on NAW too much to create a lot in an offense with very little structure and mediocre talent around him. He looks overwhelmed. He's been forcing plays, whether that's forcing passes in the paint or taking tough contested mid-range jumpers off the dribble. He's going to look a lot better with someone else handling the PG duties, so he can play on the wing. He won't be relied upon as the primary creator or scorer. He'll also be able to lock in on defense.

Here's an example where in NAW's highlights he's playing off the ball. He's a guy who CAN play point guard if necessary, but he's not a high-level point guard. It would be like playing Tyler Herro or Alec Burks at point guard, imo.

Watch on YouTube

[CAE15]

Ok, Here's a "Hmmm..." thought.

Spoiler:

Ingles has said several times that he expected to be traded after the injury, he was hopeful they would trade him for a player that would be a positive for the team. Not sure NAW is all that, but given his raw talents as a first round pick, it's possible he could be a net positive by seasons end. Ingles said he understood the business, but was still a bit emotional when it actually happened. He then indicated that he was committed to returning "Better than ever" and would be staying in Utah to rehab, to allow his kids to stay in their schools and not uproot his family. Although he is now officially a member of the Blazers, are there rules that don't allow players to use other teams facilities for rehab etc.? While it's no big news to state Ingles has lost a step this year, what he brought to the team, that maybe is more important is his leadership, his ability to be a mediator, and a glue guy in the locker room.

Let's just say he is allowed to use the Jazz rehab facilities since he is living in SLC. I believe he, and the Jazz, have a mutual loyalty and he has personal relationships with the main players, that he, as their friend, would continue to cultivate. Maybe the team still can keep that aspect of having Ingles around as he rehabs. He continues to lead and mentor through "Casual contact and/or interaction" while rehabbing even though he is technically not a member of the team. Then, after his contract expires and he heals, he returns as either a bench playing vet, or some sort of assistant coach, all while never really leaving...

Probably dreaming, but best of two worlds: With the injury and Joe not Abel to contribute at all for the duration of this season, we get a payer who will not have a significant drop-off in game contributions, and we still maintain the other important intangibles that makes Ingles very valuable.

I think Ingles will most certainly remain socially active with Jazz players, but I seriously doubt he could use Jazz facilities and Jazz personnel for rehab. Seems like that would be tampering. By the way, the Portland Trailblazers have expressed an interest in re-signing Joe after his contract expires.

Personally, I am not all that excited about re-signing Joe next summer, thinking that we need younger, more energetic players out there. When both Gay and Ingles on the court, we look old and slow imo. However, I would be interested at re-signing Joe at the one year veteran minimum. I would also be very enthusiastic about Ingles returning to the Jazz team in another capacity like coach or announcer.

Joe has stated over and over and over again. If he's not playing basketball he's going back to Melbourne. It's fun to think of him as a coach or announcer but he has no plans to do that

[zero24gravity]

ok ..... so it's not a large sample size, and I 100% admit I thought he was more likely to be cut than to get 1 minute of PT... but Juancho has already grown on me as a player who the Jazz not only can use, but actually NEED. He's the energy guy the team has been missing. He also has size at the PF spot, which is lacking in the starting unit. No knock on NAW, who I think can develop into a pretty good player, but for this season, Juancho is the player the player in this trade who can help the Jazz more, IMO. Hoping his energy is contagious and pushes others to play harder. 10mpg of high energy, decent D, and the ability to knock down 3's at a respectable rate for a big. Not bad for a "throw in player".

[tugs]

Yep, was always high on Juancho. Guess that movie pushed him to perform better lol

Perfect fit next to Gobert in the starting lineup. Question is, who would you bench?

But yeah Whiteside, Hernangomez, Gay, Clarkson, Forrest is a solid 2nd unit

[AingesBurner]

Yep, was always high on Juancho. Guess that movie pushed him to perform better lol

Perfect fit next to Gobert in the starting lineup. Question is, who would you bench?

But yeah Whiteside, Hernangomez, Gay, Clarkson, Forrest is a solid 2nd unit

I’d bench O’Neale or Conley.