Future Free Agent Thread

[SoCalJazzFan]

Jea Crowder signed a 5-year contract with the Celtics which he is still under, and he's making around 7M per season. As far as I know a team can sign only one player to a 5-year contract, but it can trade for another player who is under a 5-year contract.

I know that a team can't trade for a 5 yr max contract player while they have a 5 yr max contract player of their own. I'm just not sure if they can dole out more than one 5 yr non-max contract at a time (while having their own 5 yr max contract player).

From CBA FAQ:

" There is a limit to the number of designated players a team can have on its roster at a time. A team can have up to two designated rookies (who received a longer rookie scale extension) and up to two designated veterans (who received higher than the 30% maximum salary) at any time. However, only one designated rookie and one designated veteran may have been acquired from another team in a trade. "
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

Thanks! I was thinking of the Kyrie/AD situation, but in that case the Celtics could not trade for AD as they had already traded for Kyrie, both on 5 yr max contracts. It appears that if the 76ers are willing to spend the dough, they could give 5 yr max contracts to all of Imbiid, Simmons, Jimmy and Tobias, which I didn't think was possible.

[KqWIN]

I know that a team can't trade for a 5 yr max contract player while they have a 5 yr max contract player of their own. I'm just not sure if they can dole out more than one 5 yr non-max contract at a time (while having their own 5 yr max contract player).

From CBA FAQ:

" There is a limit to the number of designated players a team can have on its roster at a time. A team can have up to two designated rookies (who received a longer rookie scale extension) and up to two designated veterans (who received higher than the 30% maximum salary) at any time. However, only one designated rookie and one designated veteran may have been acquired from another team in a trade. "
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

Thanks! I was thinking of the Kyrie/AD situation, but in that case the Celtics could not trade for AD as they had already traded for Kyrie, both on 5 yr max contracts. It appears that if the 76ers are willing to spend the dough, they could give 5 yr max contracts to all of Imbiid, Simmons, Jimmy and Tobias, which I didn't think was possible.

Kyrie will opt out this summer. That's why they had to wait, but Boston can trade for AD this summer.

[KqWIN]

If PHI gets spanked in game 6...does anyone really see both Butler and Harris staying?

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I am listening to the Salt City Hoops podcast and Andy Larsen is saying there is REAL chance the Jazz are in play for Tobias Harris. He underlined it several times that there is interest both ways.

[Inigo Montoya]

If PHI gets spanked in game 6...does anyone really see both Butler and Harris staying?

I am listening to the Salt City Hoops podcast and Andy Larsen is saying there is REAL chance the Jazz are in play for Tobias Harris. He underlined it several times that there is interest both ways.

I'd rather have Bulter but if the Jazz end up with Harris (hopefully not for the max), then it'll be a successful offseason, as much as I'm disinclined to give Harris the max.

[KqWIN]

If PHI gets spanked in game 6...does anyone really see both Butler and Harris staying?

I am listening to the Salt City Hoops podcast and Andy Larsen is saying there is REAL chance the Jazz are in play for Tobias Harris. He underlined it several times that there is interest both ways.

I'd rather have Bulter but if the Jazz end up with Harris (hopefully not for the max), then it'll be a successful offseason, as much as I'm disinclined to give Harris the max.

Locke is also hot on Tobias Harris, but maybe I should keep #LockeWatch to draft prospects.

I think any max player signing to Utah would be a successful offseason.

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If PHI gets spanked in game 6...does anyone really see both Butler and Harris staying?

I am listening to the Salt City Hoops podcast and Andy Larsen is saying there is REAL chance the Jazz are in play for Tobias Harris. He underlined it several times that there is interest both ways.

I'd rather have Bulter but if the Jazz end up with Harris (hopefully not for the max), then it'll be a successful offseason, as much as I'm disinclined to give Harris the max.

Locke is also hot on Tobias Harris, but maybe I should keep #LockeWatch to draft prospects.

I think any max player signing to Utah would be a successful offseason.

July 1st, 00:01 am... WOJ: Jeremy Lamb has agreed to sign 4xmax contract with the Utah Jazz,

[KqWIN]

Getting max cap space would require waving Favors, using our pick to dump Exum, or trading Crowder. Which route would you guys prefer?

[Inigo Montoya]

That depends on the position of the player we'd be maxing.

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Getting max cap space would require waving Favors, using our pick to dump Exum, or trading Crowder. Which route would you guys prefer?

I wonder if Favors would be up for waive and then sign for MLE... or would that be too much of an adding insult to injury?

Depending on who we are getting... if we are getting a 4... I might be willing to trade Crowder for positive value since his contract is expiring anyways after next season.

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[KqWIN]

Getting max cap space would require waving Favors, using our pick to dump Exum, or trading Crowder. Which route would you guys prefer?

I wonder if Favors would be up for waive and then sign for MLE... or would that be too much of an adding insult to injury?

Depending on who we are getting... if we are getting a 4... I might be willing to trade Crowder for positive value since his contract is expiring anyways after next season.

We'd only have the room exception for Favors. Not a lot for for a guy that would have made $17M+.

If we're getting Harris, I think trading Crowder for value is the best move. It shouldn't be too difficult to find a landing spot for him.

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Tony Jones saying Tobias Harris will have interest in the Jazz too according to his sources.

https://theathletic.com/965710/2019/05/08/965710/

[zero24gravity]

If PHI gets spanked in game 6...does anyone really see both Butler and Harris staying?

I am listening to the Salt City Hoops podcast and Andy Larsen is saying there is REAL chance the Jazz are in play for Tobias Harris. He underlined it several times that there is interest both ways.

I'd rather have Bulter but if the Jazz end up with Harris (hopefully not for the max), then it'll be a successful offseason, as much as I'm disinclined to give Harris the max.

Not that he'd come to Utah, but I doubt the Jazz would seriously inquire about Butler after the sideshow he became over the last year, in regards to coming across as a sh** teammate. That's not the type of personality the Jazz FO goes after.

Harris is intriguing, but like you, I'm not sold on him as a max-type. Still, I wouldn't be upset if the Jazz landed him with a bit of an overpay (IMO, it's required for the Jazz to overpay to get any substantial FA's).

[KqWIN]

Well, all the sources are aligning. Let's hope that Kawhi annihilates them tomorrow night and Tobias gets no shots.

[Inigo Montoya]

Getting max cap space would require waving Favors, using our pick to dump Exum, or trading Crowder. Which route would you guys prefer?

I wonder if Favors would be up for waive and then sign for MLE... or would that be too much of an adding insult to injury?

Depending on who we are getting... if we are getting a 4... I might be willing to trade Crowder for positive value since his contract is expiring anyways after next season.

We'd only have the room exception for Favors. Not a lot for for a guy that would have made $17M+.

If we're getting Harris, I think trading Crowder for value is the best move. It shouldn't be too difficult to find a landing spot for him.

Favors is also expiring, on a much larger contract, and is a better player that could help many teams. I think he'll fetch more in a trade than Crowder, though I wouldn't expect much return for either. Furthermore, if we trade for Harris, trade Crowder and keep Favors, we'd be making him a full-time bench player, which is something the Jazz hadn't dared to do even if they wanted to. It'd be as much of an insult as waiving him and then offering him the MLE. Could we even waive him and then sign him again? Isn't there a rule against that?

[KqWIN]

I wonder if Favors would be up for waive and then sign for MLE... or would that be too much of an adding insult to injury?

Depending on who we are getting... if we are getting a 4... I might be willing to trade Crowder for positive value since his contract is expiring anyways after next season.

We'd only have the room exception for Favors. Not a lot for for a guy that would have made $17M+.

If we're getting Harris, I think trading Crowder for value is the best move. It shouldn't be too difficult to find a landing spot for him.

Favors is also expiring, on a much larger contract, and is a better player that could help many teams. I think he'll fetch more in a trade than Crowder, though I wouldn't expect much return for either. Furthermore, if we trade for Harris, trade Crowder and keep Favors, we'd be making him a full-time bench player, which is something the Jazz hadn't dared to do even if they wanted to. It'd be as much of an insult as waiving him and then offering him the MLE. Could we even waive him and then sign him again? Isn't there a rule against that?

Trading Favors for space is more difficult because he is on a larger contract and he's a C, which nobody needs. Hard to find a team w/cap space and needs a C. They'll also have leverage knowing that if they don't trade for Favors, UTA will have to waive him for max space.

I also don't think trading Crowder makes Favors a full time bench player, and we've done it every time we actually want to start competing against HOU anyways. You can very easily start Harris-Favors at the 3/4 if you wanted to keep giving Favs token minutes. Harris is bad at either spot and typically guarded 3's when he was on LAC.

As far as waiving him and then signing him, you can do that, but the Jazz would only have the room MLE which is little less than $5M a year.

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Lets go wild.... Losing Rubio will hurt and we will need another wing or PG to start next to Mitchell. Lets say the Jazz have 'strong indication' from Harris that he's willing to come to Utah by draft day... Do we go on the offensive with either Jrue(if they trade AD and try to trade Jrue too) or Conley?

We should do a wink-wink deal with NOP or MEM for their PG and pick for them in the draft but postpone the deal for after Harris can officially sign.

So the mechanism will be as follows:

1. Get 'strong indication' from Harris
2. Arrange a wink-wink deal with NOP/MEM and ask MEM/NOP who they want in the draft and draft that player.
3. Renounce Rubio on July 1st. Trade Crowder for something... anything and capspace... 2nd round pick lets say.
4. Sign Harris
5. Either:
-trade Favors + Exum + 1st + 1st for Conley/Jrue
-waive Favors and go after a guard/wing in FA with the remaining capspace(Brogdon? Lamb? Ross?).

Roster after transactions:
Option 1(trading for Jrue or Conley)

PG: Conley/Jrue, Neto, NWG
SG: Mitchell, Grayson, Korver
SF: Ingles, Royce, Korver
PF: Harris, 2nd roung pick/min vet/MLE, Niang
C: Gobert, Bradley, 2nd roung pick/min vet/MLE

Option 2(going after FA instead of giving up picks for Conley/Jrue):
PG: Mitchell, Exum, Neto
SG: Brogdon/Lamb/Ross, Grayson, Korver
SF: Ingles, Royce, Korver
PF: Harris, draft pick/min vet /MLE, Niang
C: Gobert, Bradley, draft pick/min vet/MLE

Which one do you prefer?

(Disclaimer: I haven't looked at the numbers exactly, so I am not sure how much money we will be left with if we waive Favors in Option 2)

[KqWIN]

Which one do you prefer?

Depends on the players we're getting.

Jrue (Option 1)
Brogdon (Option 2)
Conley (Option 1)

Everyone else

Jrue is not getting moved in any scenario it seems like, but he is the dream. He's a top 20 player in my opinion.

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Which one do you prefer?

Depends on the players we're getting.

Jrue (Option 1)
Brogdon (Option 2)
Conley (Option 1)

Everyone else

Jrue is not getting moved in any scenario it seems like, but he is the dream. He's a top 20 player in my opinion.

IMO your 1st 2 options are the least likely to materialize. Does keeping Exum and the picks off-set the difference between Conley and Ross/Lamb?