2024 Trade Rumors

[AingesBurner]

Just curious your guys thoughts about Kessler.

I see him as a proven commodity at this point. I see alt of threads about trades for him and the offers are usually a late first round pick. Why would we trade him for that? Those trade offers seem like a colossally bad idea from my perspective. I would want multiple frp’s or a guaranteed high draft pick this next upcoming year or there is no way I would move forward with a trade. He might be our most important player besides Lauri. He is easily someone we could keep and start for years assuming no injuries.

I agree. I don't get the zeal for trading him. He's probably the best of the Jazz's young players and the only one of them who has proved to be a decent starter at least, and he can anchor a defense. A first round pick or two won't be enough for me to want to trade him unless we're talking about unprotected picks from a team I'd have a high degree of confidence would suck. Either that or in a package for a legit star.

Yep, I think unprotected pick package from the lakers is valuable because LeBron is blowing up their future to make the playoffs

[Jkam31]

Is Angie holding out for a first for Collins or would Huerter, Lyles, and two seconds for Collins be enough

[Inigo Montoya]

Is Angie holding out for a first for Collins or would Huerter, Lyles, and two seconds for Collins be enough

I can't look at the contracts right now but value-wise it's more than fair.

[Jkam31]

Is Angie holding out for a first for Collins or would Huerter, Lyles, and two seconds for Collins be enough

I can't look at the contracts right now but value-wise it's more than fair.

Lyles is expiring and Huerter is expiring next year so he can be flipped

[Inigo Montoya]

Is Angie holding out for a first for Collins or would Huerter, Lyles, and two seconds for Collins be enough

I can't look at the contracts right now but value-wise it's more than fair.

Lyles is expiring and Huerter is expiring next year so he can be flipped

Very fair deal. Maybe even skewed in favor of the Jazz.

[Jkam31]

I can't look at the contracts right now but value-wise it's more than fair.

Lyles is expiring and Huerter is expiring next year so he can be flipped

Very fair deal. Maybe even skewed in favor of the Jazz.

If Angie sees it that way and doesn’t try any funny business I think a trade gets done we need scoring off the bench with monk starting

[Skybox]

Is this anything...

ORL sends:
Jonathan Isaac (deeply descending deal with injury outs make it very team-firendly), completely selfless defensive genius
Cole Anthony (one more guaranteed year-then TO)
Jett Howard (21yo prospect, quick release, good positional size, emerging playmaker)
Caleb Houstan (21yo, good size, one tool, lights out 3pt shooter)
DEN 25 frp (top 5 protected)
not sure of draft equity-would multiple srps be enough considering payroll savings?

UTA sends: Collin Sexton, John Collins

[BigJimFinn]

Is this anything...

ORL sends:
Jonathan Isaac (deeply descending deal with injury outs make it very team-firendly), completely selfless defensive genius
Cole Anthony (one more guaranteed year-then TO)
Jett Howard (21yo prospect, quick release, good positional size, emerging playmaker)
Caleb Houstan (21yo, good size, one tool, lights out 3pt shooter)
DEN 25 frp (top 5 protected)
not sure of draft equity-would multiple srps be enough considering payroll savings?

UTA sends: Collin Sexton, John Collins

OK, I will bite and reply. Sexton and Collins have played fairly well this season, but they are definitely available to trade, so that's a good start. Both are shooting well above their career levels, so great if that is attracting potential buyers. Both have also flaws that make them unlikely to ever be starters for a serious playoff team, which Magic should now aim to be.
Isaac would be a great fit to play with Lauri, but not with Kessler, and of course the main problem is he is never fit to play. One full season out of seven and signed until 2029 is not a great key piece to a trade, even if the $15M per is a good price for the idea of a healthy Isaac.
The rest of your players don't seem to have any value. Anthony is replacement level backup PG, maybe overpaid but basically just a guy, who would likely end up starting for the Jazz and boosting the tanking odds a bit. The two prospects you are selling as nominal shooters are not shooting well from 3 and don't seem to be offering anything else. Can't say I have any memory of seeing either of them play, but the "emerging playmaker" Howard is averaging 1.6 AST per 36 and Houstan is shooting 25% this season, so did "lights out 3pt shooter" mean he shoots like the gym was dark? Considering your team is starving for 3pt threats to space around the two big wings and Suggs, I doubt you would offer these kids on rookie contracts if you believed they can become effective NBA shooters.
Ignoring the players coming in, Utah would likely be willing to shed 2 productive vets making $45M combined for next season, just to make sure of a top 3 draft seed and increase cap flexibility, but I doubt they would take Isaac on a 5-year deal, unless they don't believe Taylor Hendricks can recover and fill the same role. It would anyway take more than the Denver pick, and I don't know how many late firsts and seconds Utah wants to add to an already full hoard of draft assets and young non-star prospects.
So, a reasonable value offer, but a long shot to be approved as it does not really serve any other purpose for Utah than getting worse, and they have looked bad enough to tank as is.

[Daddy 801]

Between a few trade proposals and David Locke doing a podcast on the Kings I am worried the Jazz fans don’t have what it takes to tank properly. And if management is on the same boat and impatient the Jazz are screwed. We need to suck for 2-3 more years at minimum. We need two top 5ish picks and one more top 8ish pick before we think about trading for proven players who take us to the next step. And considering Ainges drafts with the Jazz I am not convinced that is even enough. To be fair to him it’s been a couple rough drafts as far as prospects go, but he isn’t crushing home runs with his picks so far. It’s frustrating to see how fast Jazz fans want to give up on what is the only path to winning a championship because it sucks to watch losing games.

If the Jazz trade for winning players before the start of next season they will treadmill for another decade and trading Don and Rudy will have been a waste. I’d rather trade Lauri for draft capital than trade our draft capital for a player like Fox or Sabonis.

Ugh. Just needed to vent. Unless we are bringing back a Giannis I don’t really care for any trade that gives up assets. Trade everything besides Lauri and Kessler (starting to believe in Keyonte) for as much draft assets as possible and keep rolling out a bad team to get top tier players. This isn’t a hard concept. Just look at OKC and Cleveland. It’s not a hard model to follow, it just takes patience and balls to do it.

[Inigo Montoya]

I tend to agree. It feels like the Jazz don't know how to tank properly. When you're playing against a tanking team like the Nets, adjustments should be made ahead of time, such as a phantom injury to your best player. Either that, or don't have any good players at all, like the Wizards are doing. Every win in this season is a waste of everyone's time.

[bkohler]

The more I talk to people, the more I realize people are convinced that we've been tanking for three years when we just began to tank, and that's the problem. People's patience is already depleted because they felt like the last few years have been genuine tank jobs when they've just been mediocre teams whose plugs got pulled at the end.

The truth is we're not in a place to compete with the current team we have even if we tried to big game hunt, and we've probably got 3-4 tough years coming up.

[mg]

The frustrating thing is Jazz need to be tanking but they are chock full of good rotation players like Collins, Sexton, Lauri, JC, Kessler. Even if they sit one like they did with Collins last night they still gave the Cavs a good run. How can you tank for the worst record all these rotational "vets" on the roster (yes I realize Kessler still on a rookie deal). Ainge apparently wanted to bring in a Mikal Bridges or Paul George in the offseason to try and compete and thankfully that didn't pan out. The season has been dreary but they are still only the 5th worst record which means they could fall to the 9th pick yet again with the lottery balls. There is still a huge difference between the Nets who are outright tanking and the Jazz who have players that are still trying although I can't blame them. All of our guys except Lauri will be due for a new contract in 1.5 years and they are all in their prime except for Clarkson.

Meanwhile we are sitting here with Lauri on a max deal who would rightfully be a 3rd option on a good team such as OKC, CLE, Boston, Memphis, etc. He's a great finisher/3 pt shooter but will never be a #1 franchise player on a contender due to his lack of playmaking or iso skills.

Ainge's last 2 drafts have been very underwhelming meanwhile our tradable guys seem to have warts so their value is meh. Collins too expensive, JC too old, Sexton too short, etc. The trade market is oversaturated with teams like the Nets, Bulls, Blazers already putting their rotation guys on the trade block. Somehow Ainge needs to swallow his pride and give away a few players and go 100% on the tank for at least the next 2 years. He can't wait until February again either. I really don't see many other options unless a Giannis type miraculously demands to come here but that's not happening.

[Inigo Montoya]

Ainge's last 2 drafts have been very underwhelming

I can't hold it against him too much. The recent draft class has been awful across the board and I think he did as well as he could with the picks the Jazz had. I think Flip will be a nice player, and both him and Collier were great value picks whether they pan out or not. Williams sucked but he's and upside pick in a terrible draft so I have no issues with it.

The previous draft was also decent. Hendricks' injury sucks and Ainge did pass on Whitmore twice but George proved to be a good pick at #16. In my opinion the last two drafts were fine, all things considered. The main gripe I have is that they didn't tank properly, especially in Wemby's draft.

[HadAnEffectHere]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

[mg]

Ainge's last 2 drafts have been very underwhelming

I can't hold it against him too much. The recent draft class has been awful across the board and I think he did as well as he could with the picks the Jazz had. I think Flip will be a nice player, and both him and Collier were great value picks whether they pan out or not. Williams sucked but he's and upside pick in a terrible draft so I have no issues with it.

The previous draft was also decent. Hendricks' injury sucks and Ainge did pass on Whitmore twice but George proved to be a good pick at #16. In my opinion the last two drafts were fine, all things considered. The main gripe I have is that they didn't tank properly, especially in Wemby's draft.

Yes and it's exactly the reason this team cannot get stuck drafting in the 8-10 range again. That is traditionally just a really "dead" spot in the draft. Going back in history very few viable NBA players end up getting drafted in those slots.

FWIW Cody and Collier grade out as the 2 worst players in the entire NBA per advanced stats. Sensabaugh not much better. Keyonte was down there too until he strung together some decent games the past few weeks.

[Skybox]

I’d keep Kessler & Lauri as a foundation…they really complement one another, in theory. The rest of the vets and, for the right offer, maybe some of the kids should be in play for a big swing, imo. Sexton, in particular, is just feisty & talented enough to be an anti-tank device, but not good enough to take on a lead role on a playoff team…I’d LOVE him in ORL, bringing fire to the second unit, putting up 6MOY numbers, surrounded by long, psychotic (but offensively challenged) defenders.

Having said that- I don’t watch UTA games on any kind of regular basis, so maybe I’m missing something. Also, as a fellow small-market fan, I’m used to the national media throwing lazy, uninformed hot takes around as to what the org is doing. Point being, maybe Kessler & Lauri aren’t even available.

So, UTA fans, is Kessler available? Why?

[Inigo Montoya]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

Looking back at those drafts, I don't really see any major misses for the Jazz or players who are going to be surefire starters that they missed, and I also don't see any players that the Jazz didn't pick and would have changed the outlook of the current team.

[HadAnEffectHere]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

Looking back at those drafts, I don't really see any major misses for the Jazz or players who are going to be surefire starters that they missed, and I also don't see any players that the Jazz didn't pick and would have changed the outlook of the current team.

If the idea is that Ainge couldn't have drafted good players because the last two drafts sucked other than Wemby, that just makes trading Mitchell and Gobert for a billion marginal picks much worse.

[Skybox]

Why is Kessler even available? Is he?

All in…

ORL sends: Cole Anthony (one year then TO), Gary Harris (TO), Jett Howard (21yo prospect, rookie scale), ORL 25 frp (Top 8), DEN 25 frp, ORL 27 frp (top 3)

UTA sends: Collin Sexton, Walker Kessler

What say you Ainge? ( I used to rock your C's jersey - be nice!)

[Catchall]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

Keyonte is a starter. Hendricks would be a 5th-starter type if he didn't break his leg.