Future Free Agent Thread

KqWIN · Post #441 » by **KqWIN** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:10 pm

You know what, maybe I'm just not being fair to Russell. I've been on the forefront saying that if we can get Kemba, get him and figure out the rest later. Is Russell really that much worse than Kemba, especially considering his age?

stitches · Post #442 » by **stitches** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:15 pm

KqWIN wrote:You know what, maybe I'm just not being fair to Russell. I've been on the forefront saying that if we can get Kemba, get him and figure out the rest later. Is Russell really that much worse than Kemba, especially considering his age?

Yep, same... he's not as good as Kemba is... but also... Kemba was nowhere close to as good as Russell when he was 23. Russell still has room for improvement.

About Barnes - I think I will hold firm on that... I don't think he's a good player and ultimately I don't think I would sign him to what he will likely command in FA. If he's available for MLE... sure... but 8 figures is a no-no for me.

KqWIN · Post #443 » by **KqWIN** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:19 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:You know what, maybe I'm just not being fair to Russell. I've been on the forefront saying that if we can get Kemba, get him and figure out the rest later. Is Russell really that much worse than Kemba, especially considering his age?

Yep, same... he's not as good as Kemba is... but also... Kemba was nowhere close to as good as Russell when he was 23. Russell still has room for improvement.

About Barnes - I think I will hold firm on that... I don't think he's a good player and ultimately I don't think I would sign him to what he will likely command in FA. If he's available for MLE... sure... but 8 figures is a no-no for me.

BKN has a savvy front office. Even if they know that Kyrie is coming, they won't want to give Russell away for free.

Let's say Russell wants his max. The Jazz need cap to clear about $7M in cap for that. Would you give them Crowder in a S&T for Russell and call it a day? I think I would.

stitches · Post #444 » by **stitches** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:23 pm

KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:You know what, maybe I'm just not being fair to Russell. I've been on the forefront saying that if we can get Kemba, get him and figure out the rest later. Is Russell really that much worse than Kemba, especially considering his age?

Yep, same... he's not as good as Kemba is... but also... Kemba was nowhere close to as good as Russell when he was 23. Russell still has room for improvement.

About Barnes - I think I will hold firm on that... I don't think he's a good player and ultimately I don't think I would sign him to what he will likely command in FA. If he's available for MLE... sure... but 8 figures is a no-no for me.

BKN has a savvy front office. Even if they know that Kyrie is coming, they won't want to give Russell away for free.

Let's say Russell wants his max. The Jazz need cap to clear about $7M in cap for that. Would you give them Crowder in a S&T for Russell and call it a day? I think I would.

Yeah, that sounds good enough... Especially if we somehow get Harris on board before that.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #445 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:29 pm

If the Jazz strike out on their preferred versatile forward players, I think a player that should be considered as probably up and coming (and probably cheap) would be Kevon Looney. I think that he has Pascal Siakam level potential. Crazy to think that he could have been picked up last summer for nothing.

Post #446 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:31 pm

I'd rather go for Portis rather than Looney. In fact, I might prefer Portis to Harris and Mirotic.

KqWIN · Post #447 » by **KqWIN** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:31 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:Yep, same... he's not as good as Kemba is... but also... Kemba was nowhere close to as good as Russell when he was 23. Russell still has room for improvement.

About Barnes - I think I will hold firm on that... I don't think he's a good player and ultimately I don't think I would sign him to what he will likely command in FA. If he's available for MLE... sure... but 8 figures is a no-no for me.

BKN has a savvy front office. Even if they know that Kyrie is coming, they won't want to give Russell away for free.

Let's say Russell wants his max. The Jazz need cap to clear about $7M in cap for that. Would you give them Crowder in a S&T for Russell and call it a day? I think I would.

Yeah, that sounds good enough... Especially if we somehow get Harris on board before that.

I don't know how the money would work so we could get Harris first. I guess we'd dump Exum off somewhere else, sign Harris, than S&T Favors+Crowder for Russell maybe? Favors would kill it in BKN if they're willing to set back Allen. IDK, seems like there's a way.

Even without Harris, we could move Korver for someone like Bjelica to pick up Crowder's minutes. This discussion has gotten me pretty high on the Russell idea.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #448 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:39 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:I'd rather go for Portis rather than Looney. In fact, I might prefer Portis to Harris and Mirotic.

I've advocated trading for Portis in the past, and would put him just behind Looney.

Looney doesn't pop out as a stretch big as he hasn't been put in that role at GS (which makes sense when you have several amazing outside shooters on the floor with you and your job is to protect the paint), but he was a guard at least during part of high school, shot 22/53 (41.5%) in his single year at UCLA, and in limited minutes in a handful of games his first season with the Warriors shot over 50% from 3pt (like 3/5 or something like that). Moreover, he can literally guard any position anywhere on the court (is often tasked with guarding Harden and other difficult assignments). Now that it appears his hip is getting back to normal, given the opportunity I think he could potentially flourish.

(Edit: the risk is getting a known player, albeit at a max salary, vs a perceived up and coming player that might not pan out as planned. However, I think that either could be had by giving a generous 3 yr contract with team option in 3rd year that their cash strapped teams will have difficulty matching, e.g. 3 yr $48M-$55M).

KqWIN · Post #449 » by **KqWIN** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:44 pm

Russell is good friends with Mitchell right? Maybe we can put Mitchell's recruiting ability to the test.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #450 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:47 pm

KqWIN wrote:Russell is good friends with Mitchell right? Maybe we can put Mitchell's recruiting ability to the test.

Unless Kyrie is going to the Nets, I just don't see Russell being available. If you were the Nets, wouldn't be more than happy to build around Russel, Dinwiddie and Lavert?

stitches · Post #451 » by **stitches** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:51 pm

KqWIN wrote:Russell is good friends with Mitchell right? Maybe we can put Mitchell's recruiting ability to the test.

Yep... I think I saw them on a trip somewhere...
https://www.sportsgossip.com/dangelo-russell-and-donovan-mitchell-grabbing-dinner-at-the-atlantis/

KqWIN · Post #452 » by **KqWIN** » Thu May 9, 2019 3:57 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Russell is good friends with Mitchell right? Maybe we can put Mitchell's recruiting ability to the test.

Unless Kyrie is going to the Nets, I just don't see Russell being available. If you were the Nets, wouldn't be more than happy to build around Russel, Dinwiddie and Lavert?

I agree, but the Nets are the betting favorite to land Kyrie the last time I checked. If he doesn’t want to go there, this isn’t a discussion, but Kyrie to the Nets is a real possibility right now.

Post #453 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 9, 2019 4:08 pm

I think we need to take a close look at what happens with the Celtics. Ainge isn't shy about shaking things up and this season has been a disappointment. They may lose Irving for nothing. And one thing they have shown they needed all season long is an interior presence because as good as Horford is, he's not enough. Favors would have helped them greatly, for example.

stitches · Post #454 » by **stitches** » Thu May 9, 2019 4:19 pm

Here's a wild one... you know how the Jazz were rumored to be trying hard to trade for Kyrie in 2017? I know, I know... you don't think he would ever come to Utah... but... there's one thing to remember about Kyrie... he's very impressionable and easily impressed by the wildest **** - just send missionaries to Kyrie's home and convince him to join Mormonism. Then Bang! Max offer from the Jazz and a place on some Mormon church council. What do you say, guys? Can we do it?

Post #455 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 9, 2019 4:28 pm

I may have forgotten but I don't remember the Jazz trying to trade for Kyrie other than a few wishful articles of the local media and a rumor that involved George Hill. I can't take those seriously.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #456 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu May 9, 2019 4:43 pm

stitches wrote:Here's a wild one... you know how the Jazz were rumored to be trying hard to trade for Kyrie in 2017? I know, I know... you don't think he would ever come to Utah... but... there's one thing to remember about Kyrie... he's very impressionable and easily impressed by the wildest **** - just send missionaries to Kyrie's home and convince him to join Mormonism. Then Bang! Max offer from the Jazz and a place on some Mormon church council. What do you say, guys? Can we do it?

Inigo Montoya wrote:I may have forgotten but I don't remember the Jazz trying to trade for Kyrie other than a few wishful articles of the local media and a rumor that involved George Hill. I can't take those seriously.

Of all the craziness in Stitches post, that is what you have issue with? :rofl2:

Post #457 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu May 9, 2019 5:04 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Of all the craziness in Stitches post, that is what you have issue with?

I remember a time where we plotted to sour Leonard's relationship with the Spurs so we'll have a chance to get him. GobertReport was appointed to make that happen and it worked pretty well, so what's a couple of Mormon missionaries knocking on Irving's door compared to that? We have plenty of those, and that can be easily arranged.

stitches · Post #458 » by **stitches** » Thu May 9, 2019 5:05 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Of all the craziness in Stitches post, that is what you have issue with?

I remember a time where we plotted to sour Leonard's relationship with the Spurs so we'll have a chance to get him. GobertReport was appointed to make that happen and it worked pretty well, so what's a couple of Mormon missionaries knocking on Irving's door compared to that? We have plenty of those, and that can be easily arranged.

Crunch 99 · Post #459 » by **Crunch 99** » Thu May 9, 2019 5:53 pm

KqWIN wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Russell is good friends with Mitchell right? Maybe we can put Mitchell's recruiting ability to the test.

Unless Kyrie is going to the Nets, I just don't see Russell being available. If you were the Nets, wouldn't be more than happy to build around Russel, Dinwiddie and Lavert?

I agree, but the Nets are the betting favorite to land Kyrie the last time I checked. If he doesn’t want to go there, this isn’t a discussion, but Kyrie to the Nets is a real possibility right now.

There were the Irving and Durant to Knicks' rumuors ealier this season. It could have just been wishful thinking planted by the NY media, but if teaming up with Durant is a possibility, I think it would be more appealing for Irving than the Nets --- the crappy Knicks' owner notwithstanding.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #460 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu May 9, 2019 6:37 pm

Most overpaid NBA players (perhaps we shouldn't even consider Harrison Barnes afterall)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brettknight/2019/04/12/nba-overpaid-wiggins-jabari/#2c9e4ce576e3

Most underpaid (go Rudy!)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brettknight/2019/04/12/nba-underpaid-harden-giannis/#525fb6d4576c

Looney estimated worth $18.9M given this last season and metric used for above.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmurray/2019/04/14/who-is-the-golden-state-warriors-most-undervalued-free-agent/#4a0775c66998 (I'm climbing higher and higher upon the Looney bandwagon, even if it is currently a bandwagon of just me)

It would be interesting to see how the Jazz players stack up (I'm guessing underpaid or about right for most if not all).