2024 Trade Rumors

[HadAnEffectHere]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

Keyonte is a starter. Hendricks would be a 5th-starter type if he didn't break his leg.

Keyonte is the worst defender in the NBA and lacks the instincts to play PG and the size to play SG.

[Inigo Montoya]

If the idea is that Ainge couldn't have drafted good players because the last two drafts sucked other than Wemby, that just makes trading Mitchell and Gobert for a billion marginal picks much worse.

Ainge doesn't have control over what talent there is in every draft, who chooses to stay in and who chooses to withdraw. He saw an opportunity and seized it. At the time almost everyone thought the Jazz made out like bandits and that Ainge is running the league with his fleeceing, and that the Gobert trade was on of the worst trades of all time (for the Wolves). He did just fine, and there are still plenty of picks coming or to use in a trade.

The alternative was continuing with a roster that went no where and continuing to tread water.

[HadAnEffectHere]

If the idea is that Ainge couldn't have drafted good players because the last two drafts sucked other than Wemby, that just makes trading Mitchell and Gobert for a billion marginal picks much worse.

Ainge doesn't have control over what talent there is in every draft, who chooses to stay in and who chooses to withdraw. He saw an opportunity and seized it. At the time almost everyone thought the Jazz made out like bandits and that Ainge is running the league with his fleeceing, and that the Gobert trade was on of the worst trades of all time (for the Wolves). He did just fine, and there are still plenty of picks coming or to use in a trade.

The alternative was continuing with a roster that went no where and continuing to tread water.

So the Jazz never really tried at all with the Mitchell-Gobert core is the issue here. They had tons of apron space and picks.

Regardless, the issue is that the Jazz traded Gobert for a billion pieces instead of maybe like one great prospect and are so far not converting any of them.

[Catchall]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

Keyonte is a starter. Hendricks would be a 5th-starter type if he didn't break his leg.

Keyonte is the worst defender in the NBA and lacks the instincts to play PG and the size to play SG.

Keyonte can play on or off the ball at the 1. You'd just want another guard or wing who is an initiator. He's also big enough to play at the 2. You're on one of your rants.

[Wolverine]

We should’ve traded for Herro when we could have had him for nothing

[ForeverRDjazz]

We should’ve traded for Herro when we could have had him for nothing

Funny because I don't remember heat asking nothing for him? He's having his best year yet tho.

[Wolverine]

We should’ve traded for Herro when we could have had him for nothing

Funny because I don't remember heat asking nothing for him? He's having his best year yet tho.

Short memory? Forget they were attaching capital for someone to take on his salary

[Inigo Montoya]

There was a time when the Heat were looking to trade Herro and his value was quite low. At the time his injuries and contract gave pause but now it's safe to say that at least his contract isn't an issue. Dude is balling.

[SoCalJazzFan]

When you have six picks and turn out with 0 probable starters, that's bad regardless.

The entire idea of trading Gobert and Mitchell for 8 billion midround picks is that you're going to be able to get valuable players out of at least some of those picks and that isn't happening so far.

Keyonte is a starter. Hendricks would be a 5th-starter type if he didn't break his leg.

Keyonte is the worst defender in the NBA and lacks the instincts to play PG and the size to play SG.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with this. I like to give players 3 years to see who they are, but the arc isn’t great with Keyonte.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If the idea is that Ainge couldn't have drafted good players because the last two drafts sucked other than Wemby, that just makes trading Mitchell and Gobert for a billion marginal picks much worse.

Ainge doesn't have control over what talent there is in every draft, who chooses to stay in and who chooses to withdraw. He saw an opportunity and seized it. At the time almost everyone thought the Jazz made out like bandits and that Ainge is running the league with his fleeceing, and that the Gobert trade was on of the worst trades of all time (for the Wolves). He did just fine, and there are still plenty of picks coming or to use in a trade.

The alternative was continuing with a roster that went no where and continuing to tread water.

So the Jazz never really tried at all with the Mitchell-Gobert core is the issue here. They had tons of apron space and picks.

Regardless, the issue is that the Jazz traded Gobert for a billion pieces instead of maybe like one great prospect and are so far not converting any of them.

The issue, which many fans in Utah refuse to acknowledge, is that Mitchell was not going to resign. Aside from Gobert chemistry issues, there were race issues at the time in Utah that turned him off of the state. He had 2 years left and if they didn’t trade him then, the next year his value would have plummeted when it became known that he wasn’t going to resign. Gobert was traded first, but Mitchell was the driving force.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Mitchell was gone, regardless. I kinda feel like he had his foot out the door at least a year before and maybe two. Absolutely no need to 2nd guess trading Mitchell. He wanted out and wasn't going to play to win in Utah. He got his offensive stats but didn't give true effort on the defensive side.

Now if Utah had known what Lauri was going to turn into, I think there's a good chance they keep Rudy and retool the roster. However, knowing what they knew at the time, it's completely understandable why they accepted the offer they got from Minny.

Also, Rudy is at an age where his time as a high-impact player is going to drop very soon. His game heavily relies on his athleticism. With his build, it's only a matter of time before an injury to a knee/ankle/foot is going to greatly hamper his game, and you don't heal at his age like you do in your 20's. I'm a huge Rudy fan and would have liked him to retire with Utah, but that huge offer was not going to be around forever. It made sense to accept an offer like that while it was available, because the clock was ticking on him still having that kind of value. His game isn't going to age like Lebron's.

I don't know why anyone would expect those trades to pay off so soon. They were always going to take a few years to play out, and anything could still happen. Utah already did well with the Mitchell trade by getting Lauri out of it, and Minny just made a terrible trade that could work out extremely well from Utah's perspective.

Wayyyyyyyy too soon to be declaring those trades to be failures. Some people are just completely unrealistic as to what's involved with a rebuild in the NBA.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Ainge doesn't have control over what talent there is in every draft, who chooses to stay in and who chooses to withdraw. He saw an opportunity and seized it. At the time almost everyone thought the Jazz made out like bandits and that Ainge is running the league with his fleeceing, and that the Gobert trade was on of the worst trades of all time (for the Wolves). He did just fine, and there are still plenty of picks coming or to use in a trade.

The alternative was continuing with a roster that went no where and continuing to tread water.

So the Jazz never really tried at all with the Mitchell-Gobert core is the issue here. They had tons of apron space and picks.

Regardless, the issue is that the Jazz traded Gobert for a billion pieces instead of maybe like one great prospect and are so far not converting any of them.

The issue, which many fans in Utah refuse to acknowledge, is that Mitchell was not going to resign. Aside from Gobert chemistry issues, there were race issues at the time in Utah that turned him off of the state. He had 2 years left and if they didn’t trade him then, the next year his value would have plummeted when it became known that he wasn’t going to resign. Gobert was traded first, but Mitchell was the driving force.

I mean, I agree that Mitchell disliked how white Utah was and how racist it can be there (which is perfectly fair), but he did have three years left on his deal, not two.

The other issue is that the Jazz just gave up on the team after the Clippers loss. Salary dumping Favors instead of attaching picks to his contract to get a wing was pathetic.

But the issue again is that the Jazz went with a massive *quantity* of pieces instead of quality of pieces. Gobert got traded for 5 players, 3 picks, and 2 swaps. One of the five players was good in Walker (the other four were shipped out for very little), the swaps are going to expire and not be used, the picks are going to end up middling... So the team intentionally pursued a strategy of getting a billion pieces instead of one good or great piece. This inherently means that if you keep striking out on middling draft picks, the strategy was a failure because you intentionally went after middling draft picks.

So I don't think Ainge can benefit from the defense of "well, the last two drafts largely sucked and we didn't have great picks in either draft" when Ainge himself went after those midround picks in those mostly bad drafts.

[Inigo Montoya]

The picks Ainge received in the trades will land where they land. The main criticism he deserves is that he didn't control what he could control which is where the Jazz picks land by tanking properly.

[bkohler]

Two wins in a row… I expect a trade in the next week or two to stack the deck a bit more.

[AingesBurner]

I’m sorry but Mitchell thought he could infuse New York politics in a place where its founders were persecuted; Utah is a bootstrap state and that is why it is successful, weak minded NY politics don’t work here. Anyway, Mitchell was going to leave because he didn’t have the fortitude to win. The only guy who did was Gobert. You can’t build your team completely around Gobert. The trade is going to payoff by the end of the decade.

[LakersSoul]

Just curious your guys thoughts about Kessler.

I see him as a proven commodity at this point. I see alt of threads about trades for him and the offers are usually a late first round pick. Why would we trade him for that? Those trade offers seem like a colossally bad idea from my perspective. I would want multiple frp’s or a guaranteed high draft pick this next upcoming year or there is no way I would move forward with a trade. He might be our most important player besides Lauri. He is easily someone we could keep and start for years assuming no injuries.

I agree. I don't get the zeal for trading him. He's probably the best of the Jazz's young players and the only one of them who has proved to be a decent starter at least, and he can anchor a defense. A first round pick or two won't be enough for me to want to trade him unless we're talking about unprotected picks from a team I'd have a high degree of confidence would suck. Either that or in a package for a legit star.

Yep, I think unprotected pick package from the lakers is valuable because LeBron is blowing up their future to make the playoffs

I know Pelinka likes and wants Kessler for Bron’s final push. Thus the future FRPs will be valuable.

Even Nets picked Lakers SRPs over Memphis’ FRP

That said, what do you guys think will be a worthwhile exchange for the defensive big man?


Edit:

lot of fans think JHS + FRP + remove restriction on FRP will do it.

I think JHS + Wood + 2 FRPs


Why?
Lakers save money and open up 1 roster spot to add a player later.

Jazz add 2 FRPs for the post-Bron era which could be lucrative.

[Inigo Montoya]

I know Pelinka likes and wants Kessler for Bron’s final push. Thus the future FRPs will be valuable.

Even Nets picked Lakers SRPs over Memphis’ FRP

That said, what do you guys think will be a worthwhile exchange for the defensive big man?


Edit:

lot of fans think JHS + FRP + remove restriction on FRP will do it.

I think JHS + Wood + 2 FRPs


Why?
Lakers save money and open up 1 roster spot to add a player later.

Jazz add 2 FRPs for the post-Bron era which could be lucrative.

The Lakers declined JHS's option for next season. If the Jazz like him they can sign him as a free agent. He has zero trade value. Same goes for Wood - he is simply a contract to make salaries work. He doesn't fit with the Jazz's timeline and he's also in a position where the Jazz are trying to clear space for their young players - he also has zero trade value.

The only value in the trade would be the picks, so it depends what year are they conveyed and their protections. Frankly, I don't know why the Jazz should trade Kessler. I'd rather they keep him unless they package him with other assets for a legit star.

[Daddy 801]

I know Pelinka likes and wants Kessler for Bron’s final push. Thus the future FRPs will be valuable.

Even Nets picked Lakers SRPs over Memphis’ FRP

That said, what do you guys think will be a worthwhile exchange for the defensive big man?


Edit:

lot of fans think JHS + FRP + remove restriction on FRP will do it.

I think JHS + Wood + 2 FRPs


Why?
Lakers save money and open up 1 roster spot to add a player later.

Jazz add 2 FRPs for the post-Bron era which could be lucrative.

The Lakers declined JHS's option for next season. If the Jazz like him they can sign him as a free agent. He has zero trade value. Same goes for Wood - he is simply a contract to make salaries work. He doesn't fit with the Jazz's timeline and he's also in a position where the Jazz are trying to clear space for their young players - he also has zero trade value.

The only value in the trade would be the picks, so it depends what year are they conveyed and their protections. Frankly, I don't know why the Jazz should trade Kessler. I'd rather they keep him unless they package him with other assets for a legit star.

Agreed. Rather trade Collins, Sexton, and Clarkson for whatever we can get and keep Kessler. Id take a second round draft pick for Clarkson and hopefully Collins and Sexton can be packaged together for a first round draft pick. Maybe Collins and Sexton to LA for protections removed and some other asset.

[Fido]

With less than a month to the trade deadline it feels like a wet blanket is sitting over the trade market. No obvious deal out there for Jimmy Butler. It feels like OKC has the assets to make a move to try and solidify their roster for a playoff run after falling short last year. Other than that, the trade restrictions imposed by the salary cap seem to be working on slowing the trade market down.

[babyjax13]

Seems inevitable Collins will be moved. I think he might be the only guy, though. Sacramento would be nice with him.