Trade Ideas for This Season

[CAE15]

Crazy trade of the day:

Jazz- Kyrie Irving and Nick Claxton (both extended).

Nets- Donoval Mitchell and either Juancho H or Rudy Gay.

Why?
Kyrie and Nets appear to be unhappy with each other.
Kyrie is a better player, even at his age, than DM.
If you have concerns that DM is the one forcing Gobert out and an emerging tail wagging the dog situation, this might be a way to keep the Jazz in win it all mode still while sending DM to his hometown.
Nets won't get a better offer from anyone else for Kyrie, and Kyrie probably can't get the money he wants from, or force a trade to, another contender (who has a $30-$40M player they are willing to give up and/or the Nets would want more?).
Claxton can be backup to Rudy and play small ball lineups as he can literally defend 1-5 when needed.

Could flip the situation and offer Gobert instead of DM and have a super dynamic backcourt and hope that Claxton is ready for starting minutes. The Jazz could hopefully trade Conley for a defensive wing in that case.

Kyrie value is more Conley, Bogey, JC than Donovan. Look at the competing offers. If Donovan was on the table for kyrie.. he'd be a net already. Nets need to add A LOT for Donovan

[Wolverine]

Crazy trade of the day:

Jazz- Kyrie Irving and Nick Claxton (both extended).

Nets- Donoval Mitchell and either Juancho H or Rudy Gay.

Why?
Kyrie and Nets appear to be unhappy with each other.
Kyrie is a better player, even at his age, than DM.
If you have concerns that DM is the one forcing Gobert out and an emerging tail wagging the dog situation, this might be a way to keep the Jazz in win it all mode still while sending DM to his hometown.
Nets won't get a better offer from anyone else for Kyrie, and Kyrie probably can't get the money he wants from, or force a trade to, another contender (who has a $30-$40M player they are willing to give up and/or the Nets would want more?).
Claxton can be backup to Rudy and play small ball lineups as he can literally defend 1-5 when needed.

Could flip the situation and offer Gobert instead of DM and have a super dynamic backcourt and hope that Claxton is ready for starting minutes. The Jazz could hopefully trade Conley for a defensive wing in that case.

Kyrie value is more Conley, Bogey, JC than Donovan. Look at the competing offers. If Donovan was on the table for kyrie.. he'd be a net already. Nets need to add A LOT for Donovan

No he hasn't. He's in the same boat as Simmons.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Crazy trade of the day:

Rumors are that the Hornets are looking at unloading Hayward and are willing to give up one of their 1sts (#13 or #15) to do so. Presumably, to open space to pay Mikal Bridges as Hayward is owed $61.6M over the next two years. The Hornets probably hope that one of the few teams that can absorb Hayward would do so for one of these picks, but what if they are not given the cost or the potential of Hayward not being on their timeline and playing well and ruining their tanking plans?

BIG assumption that the Jazz and Hayward would be willing to unite again (I have my doubts), but this would put Hayward on a contender and gives the Jazz a piece they need if he is healthy-

Jazz- Hayward and #15 pick
Hornets- Rudy Gay, KCP (expiring), Huchimura (last year of rookie contract, i.e. RFA I believe next summer)
Wizards- Conley

[SoCalJazzFan]

^^ As a modification to the above, assuming that the Hornets are only willing to unload the 15th (or 13th) pick if they get nothing in return:

Pistons- Rudy Gay, KCP, Huchimura and #15
Wiz- Conley
Jazz- Hayward and everything that the Pistons got for Jerami Grant (i.e. #36 2022 draft, 2025 Bucks 1st pick and POR future 2nd)
Hornets- cap space

[red4hf]

^^ As a modification to the above, assuming that the Hornets are only willing to unload the 15th (or 13th) pick if they get nothing in return:

Pistons- Rudy Gay, KCP, Huchimura and #15
Wiz- Conley
Jazz- Hayward and everything that the Pistons got for Jerami Grant (i.e. #36 2022 draft, 2025 Bucks 1st pick and POR future 2nd)
Hornets- cap space

I doubt the Pistons are looking to blow their cap space on that.... Even half their cap space......

[SoCalJazzFan]

^^ As a modification to the above, assuming that the Hornets are only willing to unload the 15th (or 13th) pick if they get nothing in return:

Pistons- Rudy Gay, KCP, Huchimura and #15
Wiz- Conley
Jazz- Hayward and everything that the Pistons got for Jerami Grant (i.e. #36 2022 draft, 2025 Bucks 1st pick and POR future 2nd)
Hornets- cap space

I doubt the Pistons are looking to blow their cap space on that.... Even half their cap space......

What are they going to do with the cap space? They’re still in rebuilding mode, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded Grant. They can get #13 or #15, see if Huchimura, a past lottery pick, has a future with them, and still have cap space this year to eat another contract for draft and/or young player assets and a ton of cap space next year after most likely having another lottery pick. That is when they can afford to pay a couple of vets and begin shooting for the playoffs. Textbook rebuild.

[CAE15]

Crazy trade of the day:

Rumors are that the Hornets are looking at unloading Hayward and are willing to give up one of their 1sts (#13 or #15) to do so. Presumably, to open space to pay Mikal Bridges as Hayward is owed $61.6M over the next two years. The Hornets probably hope that one of the few teams that can absorb Hayward would do so for one of these picks, but what if they are not given the cost or the potential of Hayward not being on their timeline and playing well and ruining their tanking plans?

BIG assumption that the Jazz and Hayward would be willing to unite again (I have my doubts), but this would put Hayward on a contender and gives the Jazz a piece they need if he is healthy-

Jazz- Hayward and #15 pick
Hornets- Rudy Gay, KCP (expiring), Huchimura (last year of rookie contract, i.e. RFA I believe next summer)
Wizards- Conley

If we can get Rui and KCP for Conley. We need to close that now!

Don, KCP, Bogey, Rui, Gobert is already a longer and more well rounded team with one tiny move. Screw taking on Hayward for 15.

[babyjax13]

Bunch of ideas (most unoriginal):

Role players
1. Conley + 2 2nds for Kuzma + Smith
2. Bojan for Green + Springer + Niang + 23
3. O'neale for Green + 23
4. cash for a 2nd from MIN (3), ORL (2), GSW (2), SAC (2), NOP (2), POR (2), IND (2)
5. Bojan for Barton + 30

Gobert
1. Gobert for Vooch (to 3rd team, probably Brooklyn?), Williams, White (to 3rd team, NYK?), 18
2. Gobert for same, but Ayo instead of 18
3. Gobert to ATL for Collins + Capela + 16, Clint to 3rd team for value
4. Gobert to POR for 7 + Bledsoe + Keon Johnson

[red4hf]

^^ As a modification to the above, assuming that the Hornets are only willing to unload the 15th (or 13th) pick if they get nothing in return:

Pistons- Rudy Gay, KCP, Huchimura and #15
Wiz- Conley
Jazz- Hayward and everything that the Pistons got for Jerami Grant (i.e. #36 2022 draft, 2025 Bucks 1st pick and POR future 2nd)
Hornets- cap space

I doubt the Pistons are looking to blow their cap space on that.... Even half their cap space......

What are they going to do with the cap space? They’re still in rebuilding mode, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded Grant. They can get #13 or #15, see if Huchimura, a past lottery pick, has a future with them, and still have cap space this year to eat another contract for draft and/or young player assets and a ton of cap space next year after most likely having another lottery pick. That is when they can afford to pay a couple of vets and begin shooting for the playoffs. Textbook rebuild.

If the rumors are right they are going after Ayton...... Which they wouldn't be able to do after this trade....... If you have a chance to sign Ayton, you take it over the 15th pick and Hachimura.......

[SoCalJazzFan]

I doubt the Pistons are looking to blow their cap space on that.... Even half their cap space......

What are they going to do with the cap space? They’re still in rebuilding mode, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded Grant. They can get #13 or #15, see if Huchimura, a past lottery pick, has a future with them, and still have cap space this year to eat another contract for draft and/or young player assets and a ton of cap space next year after most likely having another lottery pick. That is when they can afford to pay a couple of vets and begin shooting for the playoffs. Textbook rebuild.

If the rumors are right they are going after Ayton...... Which they wouldn't be able to do after this trade....... If you have a chance to sign Ayton, you take it over the 15th pick and Hachimura.......

Actually, since Beall declined his player option, but rumors are he still plans on re-signing with the Wizards, they have the cap space to completely eat Conley into their current cap space and then re-sign Beall and still be under the tax. So, KCP either need not have his contract guaranteed to be part of the deal (I'm not sure of the rules on that), or need not be part of the deal at all. This would still give the Pistons the cap space to sign Ayton to a max if the Suns don't.

IMO, the Pistons should be doing all they can to get Jaden Ivy to make a dynamic backcourt with Cunningham, even if it ends up costing them the #5 and #13/15. If they don't get Ayton, they can overpay to get Mitchell Robinson at half the price or wait to draft that big next year.

On the Jazz front, while I think that there might too many bad memories on both sides when Hayward left, there is a new owner and management and Hayward is at risk of getting traded to a rebuilding team to finish his career. Hayward was putting up very good stats this past season before another freak accident (which didn't require surgery and reportedly he is fully healed). He could still be a borderline allstar if healthy and his fit would be perfect with the Jazz, so there is potential motivation on both sides to make it work. (edit: would you rather have Conley and Gay for the next two years or roll the dice on Hayward being that pivotal 3rd piece?)

[red4hf]

What are they going to do with the cap space? They’re still in rebuilding mode, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded Grant. They can get #13 or #15, see if Huchimura, a past lottery pick, has a future with them, and still have cap space this year to eat another contract for draft and/or young player assets and a ton of cap space next year after most likely having another lottery pick. That is when they can afford to pay a couple of vets and begin shooting for the playoffs. Textbook rebuild.

If the rumors are right they are going after Ayton...... Which they wouldn't be able to do after this trade....... If you have a chance to sign Ayton, you take it over the 15th pick and Hachimura.......

Actually, since Beall declined his player option, but rumors are he still plans on re-signing with the Wizards, they have the cap space to completely eat Conley into their current cap space and then re-sign Beall and still be under the tax. So, KCP either need not have his contract guaranteed to be part of the deal (I'm not sure of the rules on that), or need not be part of the deal at all. This would still give the Pistons the cap space to sign Ayton to a max if the Suns don't.

IMO, the Pistons should be doing all they can to get Jaden Ivy to make a dynamic backcourt with Cunningham, even if it ends up costing them the #5 and #13/15. If they don't get Ayton, they can overpay to get Mitchell Robinson at half the price or wait to draft that big next year.

On the Jazz front, while I think that there might too many bad memories on both sides when Hayward left, there is a new owner and management and Hayward is at risk of getting traded to a rebuilding team to finish his career. Hayward was putting up very good stats this past season before another freak accident (which didn't require surgery and reportedly he is fully healed). He could still be a borderline allstar if healthy and his fit would be perfect with the Jazz, so there is potential motivation on both sides to make it work. (edit: would you rather have Conley and Gay for the next two years or roll the dice on Hayward being that pivotal 3rd piece?)

I would for sure take Hayward, I just don't think he would welcome a reunion...... But stranger things have happened.......

[dr0welf]

If the rumors are right they are going after Ayton...... Which they wouldn't be able to do after this trade....... If you have a chance to sign Ayton, you take it over the 15th pick and Hachimura.......

Actually, since Beall declined his player option, but rumors are he still plans on re-signing with the Wizards, they have the cap space to completely eat Conley into their current cap space and then re-sign Beall and still be under the tax. So, KCP either need not have his contract guaranteed to be part of the deal (I'm not sure of the rules on that), or need not be part of the deal at all. This would still give the Pistons the cap space to sign Ayton to a max if the Suns don't.

IMO, the Pistons should be doing all they can to get Jaden Ivy to make a dynamic backcourt with Cunningham, even if it ends up costing them the #5 and #13/15. If they don't get Ayton, they can overpay to get Mitchell Robinson at half the price or wait to draft that big next year.

On the Jazz front, while I think that there might too many bad memories on both sides when Hayward left, there is a new owner and management and Hayward is at risk of getting traded to a rebuilding team to finish his career. Hayward was putting up very good stats this past season before another freak accident (which didn't require surgery and reportedly he is fully healed). He could still be a borderline allstar if healthy and his fit would be perfect with the Jazz, so there is potential motivation on both sides to make it work. (edit: would you rather have Conley and Gay for the next two years or roll the dice on Hayward being that pivotal 3rd piece?)

I would for sure take Hayward, I just don't think he would welcome a reunion...... But stranger things have happened.......

This last ankle injury of Haywards scares me a lot. I would have to say no to Hayward, too big of a risk and we don't need someone eating up salary and not playing.

[SoCalJazzFan]

We actually don't need to have the Pistons in my proposed Hayward deal.

Conley and Gay into the Wizards cap space, or ship Gay to the Hornets.

Hornets give Jazz #13 pick and Hayward.

Jazz might be able to get some draft compensation form the Wizards for Conley, such as exchanging #10 for #13 or future draft picks (maybe one or two seconds).

So, theoretically, realistically even, Jazz could end up with Hayward and #10 pick.

Who would you pick at #10 or #13? I have no idea as I haven't paid much attention to this draft.

[babyjax13]

What are they going to do with the cap space? They’re still in rebuilding mode, otherwise they wouldn’t have traded Grant. They can get #13 or #15, see if Huchimura, a past lottery pick, has a future with them, and still have cap space this year to eat another contract for draft and/or young player assets and a ton of cap space next year after most likely having another lottery pick. That is when they can afford to pay a couple of vets and begin shooting for the playoffs. Textbook rebuild.

If the rumors are right they are going after Ayton...... Which they wouldn't be able to do after this trade....... If you have a chance to sign Ayton, you take it over the 15th pick and Hachimura.......

Actually, since Beall declined his player option, but rumors are he still plans on re-signing with the Wizards, they have the cap space to completely eat Conley into their current cap space and then re-sign Beall and still be under the tax. So, KCP either need not have his contract guaranteed to be part of the deal (I'm not sure of the rules on that), or need not be part of the deal at all. This would still give the Pistons the cap space to sign Ayton to a max if the Suns don't.

IMO, the Pistons should be doing all they can to get Jaden Ivy to make a dynamic backcourt with Cunningham, even if it ends up costing them the #5 and #13/15. If they don't get Ayton, they can overpay to get Mitchell Robinson at half the price or wait to draft that big next year.

On the Jazz front, while I think that there might too many bad memories on both sides when Hayward left, there is a new owner and management and Hayward is at risk of getting traded to a rebuilding team to finish his career. Hayward was putting up very good stats this past season before another freak accident (which didn't require surgery and reportedly he is fully healed). He could still be a borderline allstar if healthy and his fit would be perfect with the Jazz, so there is potential motivation on both sides to make it work. (edit: would you rather have Conley and Gay for the next two years or roll the dice on Hayward being that pivotal 3rd piece?)

Not how that works, Washington still has a cap hold for Beal which means they don't have cap space. And if they did, they'd go for someone either better or cheaper than Conley.

[babyjax13]

Utah trades: Rudy Gobert
Utah receives: AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, Onyeka Okongwu, Dario Saric, Torrey Craig, 2023 ATL 1ST, 2023 BOS 1ST (1-20, 2 2nds), 2023 PHX 1st
Utah gets youth in the frontcourt + an influx of picks.

Atlanta trades: AJ Griffin, Jalen Johnson, Onyeka Okongwu, Kevin Huerter, Clint Capella, 2023 ATL 1st
Atlanta receives: Rudy Gobert
Atlanta capitalizes on drafting players who have slid and gets the most impactful defender in the league while retaining all their starters but Capella.

Boston trades: 2023 BOS 1st (1-20, 2 2nds)
Boston receives: Kevin Huerter
Boston gets a bench sniper.

Phoenix trades: Dario Saric, Torrey Craig, 2023 PHX 1st
Phoenix receives: Clint Capella
Phoenix gets a starting caliber center if they trade Ayton.

[D Rog]

DAMN!! I had a dream the Jazz traded Mike Conley and Rudy Gay for Ben Simmons. I woke up before I got the results.

[Wolverine]

Conley for Brogdon or
Conley for Hield

[D Rog]

Conley for Brogdon or
Conley for Hield

Help me out. I have heard Conley to Indiana from several different places. I don't understand why Indiana would do that.

First I think Indiana needs to decide if they are going to rebuild or just make a couple minor changes. Haliburton has to be the starting PG so is Conley playing back up at $23M per year? I understand Conley has 2 years left on his deal just like Brogdon and Conley's 2nd year is only partially guaranteed. I would think Indiana would want something other than than an expensive old vet (No disrespect meant to Conley) that is not part of their long term plans or can't really be moved for somebody else.

I have thought about Myles Turner for the Jazz if Gobert gets moved (but I don't know how). I like his toughness and while he is not a great 3 point shooter, he is ok for a center.

[RookieJazz]

I think Jazz is trading Gobert to Atlanta for John Collins and Dejounte Murray. It makes sense to me.

[babyjax13]

I think Jazz is trading Gobert to Atlanta for John Collins and Dejounte Murray. It makes sense to me.

I'd love that.