2024 Trade Rumors

[Inigo Montoya]

https://clutchpoints.com/sources-kings-jazz-serious-trade-talks-john-collins
According to their sources, the Kings and Jazz had talked about doing this deal:

To Kings:
John Collins ($26.6m player option for 2024-25)

To Jazz:
Kevin Huerter ($18m for 2024-25)
Trey Lyles (expiring deal)
Protected 1st round pick
2nd round pick

They aren't sure if this would pick back up after being placed on hold earlier this season. It wouldn't hurt the Jazz long-term plan as Huerter would be cheaper than keeping Collins (assuming his PO was picked up). I would think Lyles would get flipped or waived.

This would have been a pretty good deal for the Jazz, assuming it wouldn't have hurt the tank. Rumor is (via Hoops Nerd) that players on the Kings were already told a trade is coming but for whatever reason it ended up not happening.

[FarBeyondDriven]

am I crazy for thinking Ainge wants Fox? Pair him with Lauri, Kessler and a couple more pieces and see what they have over the course of the 1st half of next season? Would certainly be exciting and pack the stands. Sure, Fox likely wants no part of signing in Utah but maybe things click and he's happy. Stranger things have happened. Also, seems like you guys have too many young players and picks and need a consolidation trade in the worst way. What better way to shed a bunch of guys than by getting Fox?

If by next year's deadline, things aren't looking promising, Ainge sells to the highest bidder. And you know he'll get more for Fox then , then what McNair will get for Fox now simply because he's Ainge. Or, if he rolls the dice and you guys compete and make the playoffs but Fox leaves anyway, you can act as sign-and-trade partner so you wouldn't lose him for nothing and you'll have at least made Lauri happy for a bit.

It's just something that isn't really being talked about that maybe should be imo.

[AingesBurner]

am I crazy for thinking Ainge wants Fox? Pair him with Lauri, Kessler and a couple more pieces and see what they have over the course of the 1st half of next season? Would certainly be exciting and pack the stands. Sure, Fox likely wants no part of signing in Utah but maybe things click and he's happy. Stranger things have happened. Also, seems like you guys have too many young players and picks and need a consolidation trade in the worst way. What better way to shed a bunch of guys than by getting Fox?

If by next year's deadline, things aren't looking promising, Ainge sells to the highest bidder. And you know he'll get more for Fox then , then what McNair will get for Fox now simply because he's Ainge. Or, if he rolls the dice and you guys compete and make the playoffs but Fox leaves anyway, you can act as sign-and-trade partner so you wouldn't lose him for nothing and you'll have at least made Lauri happy for a bit.

It's just something that isn't really being talked about that maybe should be imo.

Maybe in the offseason. I don’t think Fox gets moved by the 6th.

[mg]

Fox will be eligible for a 5 year $296 mil extension. Even if the Jazz offer it I don't know that Fox would accept. He already turned down a fat extension from the Kings last offseason. It would also mean they would have close to 75% of the salary cap invested in just Fox and Lauri and neither are 1A guys.

I don't see Ainge dealing off a bunch of his prospects unless a miracle happens and they luck into Flagg. Even then I think the preference is to be bad enough for one more season to keep their '26 FRP. Regardless I don't see them adding a piece like Fox this deadline to ruin their tank.

[Inigo Montoya]

Whenever a trade happens it's no longer a rumor, so if a trade involves the Jazz I'm inclined to open a dedicated thread for it and move all the conversation there.

[Daddy 801]

Trade deadline is over. Not what I expected. Thought one of the vets would be traded. But the moves that were made I am impressed with. Basically Eubanks for four second round draft picks. And I guess it’s also good Danny holds his ground or keeps up the reputation that he sets a price on a player and a team has to meet that price or no deal. Sets a good precedence.

Can’t help but think Clarkson, Collins, and Sexton will be draft day trades. Or I guess any of those players as expiring next year also hold value.

Was hoping the Jazz would make a splash for Zion. Price was probably low, he can rest and rehab all/most next year (we are tanking again), and his deal can be dropped by the team at anytime. So happens Locke did a podcast on that today and I was in full agreement. Not many teams already know they don’t want to win next year and could hold their best player off the floor for most games. Seems like a perfect scenario. Again…maybe a draft day type trade. Worth the gamble of only a single FRP has to be sent out.

[AingesBurner]

Trade deadline is over. Not what I expected. Thought one of the vets would be traded. But the moves that were made I am impressed with. Basically Eubanks for four second round draft picks. And I guess it’s also good Danny holds his ground or keeps up the reputation that he sets a price on a player and a team has to meet that price or no deal. Sets a good precedence.

Can’t help but think Clarkson, Collins, and Sexton will be draft day trades. Or I guess any of those players as expiring next year also hold value.

Was hoping the Jazz would make a splash for Zion. Price was probably low, he can rest and rehab all/most next year (we are tanking again), and his deal can be dropped by the team at anytime. So happens Locke did a podcast on that today and I was in full agreement. Not many teams already know they don’t want to win next year and could hold their best player off the floor for most games. Seems like a perfect scenario. Again…maybe a draft day type trade. Worth the gamble of only a single FRP has to be sent out.

If Jazz luck out and get Flagg, do we really need Zion? Unless we start Flagg at the 2. PG?/Flagg/Lauri/Zion/Kessler is a huge lineup but does it work defensively?

[Inigo Montoya]

I get the rationale with Zion and I wouldn't be upset if the Jazz went for it but he doesn't strike me as a guy who would stay in Utah, just like Ingram said he won't re-sign with the Jazz and thus ended any trade discussion. We know Zion wanted to go to New York and was upset with his agents for not making it happen. Personally, I think that given all his issues, Zion would be much better served playing for a small market team like the Jazz. He already gets a lot of flak for his injuries and conditioning, and it would be x100 worse if he played in a big market like New York, as would the distractions off the court.

[Daddy 801]

Trade deadline is over. Not what I expected. Thought one of the vets would be traded. But the moves that were made I am impressed with. Basically Eubanks for four second round draft picks. And I guess it’s also good Danny holds his ground or keeps up the reputation that he sets a price on a player and a team has to meet that price or no deal. Sets a good precedence.

Can’t help but think Clarkson, Collins, and Sexton will be draft day trades. Or I guess any of those players as expiring next year also hold value.

Was hoping the Jazz would make a splash for Zion. Price was probably low, he can rest and rehab all/most next year (we are tanking again), and his deal can be dropped by the team at anytime. So happens Locke did a podcast on that today and I was in full agreement. Not many teams already know they don’t want to win next year and could hold their best player off the floor for most games. Seems like a perfect scenario. Again…maybe a draft day type trade. Worth the gamble of only a single FRP has to be sent out.

If Jazz luck out and get Flagg, do we really need Zion? Unless we start Flagg at the 2. PG?/Flagg/Lauri/Zion/Kessler is a huge lineup but does it work defensively?

Having the option for a huge lineup is a problem I want and have dreamed of. Play Kessler at center, three big, tall, and athletic guys who can rotate 2-3, and a long, fast, athletic PG. If you want to play a smaller lineup you can, but having the option to play big ball is something I think the Jazz should do.

[Daddy 801]

I get the rationale with Zion and I wouldn't be upset if the Jazz went for it but he doesn't strike me as a guy who would stay in Utah, just like Ingram said he won't re-sign with the Jazz and thus ended any trade discussion. We know Zion wanted to go to New York and was upset with his agents for not making it happen. Personally, I think that given all his issues, Zion would be much better served playing for a small market team like the Jazz. He already gets a lot of flak for his injuries and conditioning, and it would be x100 worse if he played in a big market like New York, as would the distractions off the court.

I agree Zion in a small market would be good for his career. The main reason I would be down to gamble on Zion even if he did want to walk is there is a gigantic upside and very little downside due to his contract and the Jazz’s situation. If we were competing now and his contract was fully guaranteed I am not sure it would be worth the risk.

Best case scenario is we trade for him, draft Flagg and one other good guy next year, and then start to go for it the season after. Zion buys in and is happy with the Jazz and we have a damn good squad.

Mid case scenario. Same as above but Zion shows he doesn’t want to stay longterm. Ok…trade him before the contract is up. He’s rehabbed his image and is now worth more than we traded for him.

Lowest scenario. Zion is dead weight. Never figured it out. Is a fat mess and locker room distraction. Well…you can just cut his contract or trade him for a small return.

I just think it’s worth the risk because best case scenario we draft two really good guys this and next season, and we have a Collier, Next years pick, Cooper, Lauri, and Kessler. And a bench of who knows what by that time. But if three of our starters are on rookie deals we could resign Sexton or Collins, or other good veteran players. It would be pretty easy to surround the starters with good players at that point.

[Inigo Montoya]

In the end I think it all depends on what the Jazz would have to give up for Zion.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Let's say the Jazz don't get a high level prospect in the 2025 draft and they get a prospect comparable to like Jalen Suggs.

What should they do afterwards.

Very decent chance we draft VJ Edgecombe and hope he becomes Jalen Suggs, lol.

My hypothetical from last August is bearing fruit.

[AingesBurner]

Let's say the Jazz don't get a high level prospect in the 2025 draft and they get a prospect comparable to like Jalen Suggs.

What should they do afterwards.

Very decent chance we draft VJ Edgecombe and hope he becomes Jalen Suggs, lol.

My hypothetical from last August is bearing fruit.

I’d almost trade back and take Demin. Get as many unprotected picks as possible.

[Daddy 801]

Read an article (think SLC dunk) that had sixers trading PG13 and #3 for Lauri and #21. Honestly I’d do it. Get Ace and Tre. We need to go full youth anyways. Give PG a year to rehab and come back strong and healthy and look to trade him when he has 1-2 years left on his deal.

[Inigo Montoya]

Read an article (think SLC dunk) that had sixers trading PG13 and #3 for Lauri and #21. Honestly I’d do it. Get Ace and Tre. We need to go full youth anyways. Give PG a year to rehab and come back strong and healthy and look to trade him when he has 1-2 years left on his deal.

If it's Markkanen + 21 for George + 5 then I'd consider it, but from what I saw it also involves the Jazz's #5 pick going to the Sixers and that is a no-go for me.

[Daddy 801]

Read an article (think SLC dunk) that had sixers trading PG13 and #3 for Lauri and #21. Honestly I’d do it. Get Ace and Tre. We need to go full youth anyways. Give PG a year to rehab and come back strong and healthy and look to trade him when he has 1-2 years left on his deal.

If it's Markkanen + 21 for George + 5 then I'd consider it, but from what I saw it also involves the Jazz's #5 pick going to the Sixers and that is a no-go for me.

Whatever article I read was Lauri and #21 for PG and #3. I agree with you though. If it is #5 I would laugh and hang up the phone.

PG’s contract sucks relative to his age, production, health, etc. But we are in a unique position we could tell him to get whatever surgeries needed, take a year off, go do his podcast, etc. Then come back the year after and once he shows up and proves he’s worth something we will trade him. I’d look to package Collins, Sexton, and whatever else needed for Dame and the 2031 FRP from the Bucks and tell Dame the exact same thing.

Hell after tanking next season we should be at the point of trying to win but still being bad enough to get a lotto pick. Might be fun to have Dame and PG as the old vets and our young new guys. If they suck…doesn’t matter. If they look ok and we can trade them, even better.

[GGforever]

Coming as a Magic who is very much interested in Walker Kessler. Would you trade him for a package of both Magic first round picks this year,16 and 25, and Wendell Carter.

[Inigo Montoya]

Coming as a Magic who is very much interested in Walker Kessler. Would you trade him for a package of both Magic first round picks this year,16 and 25, and Wendell Carter.

I wouldn't. We'd just be setting the rebuild backwards even more and would have to draft another player at his position and hope he'd turn out as good in a few years. If that player turns out to be a good defender, one of the best shot blockers and rebounders in the league, and the best offensive rebounder in the league, then it would be... a wash.

We don't need more picks in the 20s and teens, we have enough, and we also don't need so many players on rookie contracts, we have enough and will have even more regardless of this trade.

[babyjax13]

Coming as a Magic who is very much interested in Walker Kessler. Would you trade him for a package of both Magic first round picks this year,16 and 25, and Wendell Carter.

I wouldn't. We'd just be setting the rebuild backwards even more and would have to draft another player at his position and hope he'd turn out as good in a few years. If that player turns out to be a good defender, one of the best shot blockers and rebounders in the league, and the best offensive rebounder in the league, then it would be... a wash.

We don't need more picks in the 20s and teens, we have enough, and we also don't need so many players on rookie contracts, we have enough and will have even more regardless of this trade.

I might depending on what WCJ also returns, but my instinct is kind of the same, we dont have many young players that have shown anything good, but he has.

[Daddy 801]

Coming as a Magic who is very much interested in Walker Kessler. Would you trade him for a package of both Magic first round picks this year,16 and 25, and Wendell Carter.

Politely, that is an easy pass for me.