Future Free Agent Thread

AingesBurner · Post #501 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue May 14, 2019 12:52 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Make a bid for Oubre or trade for Warren?

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I'd rather have Oubre than Lamb or Ross(for the same price). Convince me I'm wrong.

I would too.

Wolverine · Post #502 » by **Wolverine** » Tue May 14, 2019 2:00 pm

Butler rumoured to Nets means no Harris but potentially dinwiddy?

KqWIN · Post #503 » by **KqWIN** » Tue May 14, 2019 2:22 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:Make a bid for Oubre or trade for Warren?

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I'd rather have Oubre than Lamb or Ross(for the same price). Convince me I'm wrong.

I don't disagree. I've always liked Oubre's potential. He's still only 23 and has only played for dysfunctional franchises. I do think he comes with a good deal of risk, however. Lamb and Ross are better players right now.

zero24gravity · Post #504 » by **zero24gravity** » Tue May 14, 2019 6:31 pm

KqWIN wrote:
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KqWIN wrote:Tobias says system, culture, and chance to win will be the things he’s looking for. Smile Tobias, you’re a couple months away from being $140M richer!

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Famous last words before just about every player goes wherever he feels he can get the most CASH, right?

He's going to have multiple teams begging him to take their $140M max contracts. Money isn't going to make the decision.

True, but financial opportunities outside of their NBA contract (big markets) has a lot of bearing on a players bottom line.

MalonesElbows · Post #505 » by **MalonesElbows** » Wed May 15, 2019 2:44 am

Kind of hoping we miss out on everyone. Harris and Middleton worth maybe 18 million, certainly not 30. Kemba is like 5'11", the defense would fall from 1st to 10th.

Just get Mirotic for 15m a year and solve our stretch PF problem for good.

Luigi · Post #506 » by **Luigi** » Wed May 15, 2019 2:53 am

Everytime I see Mirotic, I see a guy that you need to play at center. I don't think he's quick enough to guard the new little 4s running all over the league.

dr0welf · Post #507 » by **dr0welf** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:34 am

We need one more shot creator off the dribble. Just getting shooters will help but I don't think it is enough. We need one more that can make the defenses collapse.

CAE15 · Post #508 » by **CAE15** » Wed May 15, 2019 8:57 am

Luigi wrote:Everytime I see Mirotic, I see a guy that you need to play at center. I don't think he's quick enough to guard the new little 4s running all over the league.

To be fair most of those little 4s just kinda camp around the 3 point line. Most 4s don't take you off the dribble, so his eh lateral quickness shouldn't be that big of problem. But yes, he's far from a good defender

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Luigi · Post #509 » by **Luigi** » Wed May 15, 2019 9:19 am

CAE15 wrote:
Luigi wrote:Everytime I see Mirotic, I see a guy that you need to play at center. I don't think he's quick enough to guard the new little 4s running all over the league.
To be fair most of those little 4s just kinda camp around the 3 point line. Most 4s don't take you off the dribble, so his eh lateral quickness shouldn't be that big of problem. But yes, he's far from a good defender

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I just worry he's going to be a target for high picks for shooters. And if I'm putting up with a big 4 that cant handle high picks, I feel like I better be getting Favors who will at least protect the rim too. Even though that 3 pointer is tempting.

If we can't get other shooters on the floor, I'm down for Mirotic. But I'd rather staff our shooters out of other positions for our roster.

KqWIN · Post #510 » by **KqWIN** » Wed May 15, 2019 12:34 pm

I've always thought that Mirotic was a little underrated on defense. He's better than Harris for sure. I'd also say he's an overall better defender than Jae as well.

KqWIN · Post #511 » by **KqWIN** » Wed May 15, 2019 2:20 pm

Harris and Mirotic as so similar on a per minute/efficiency basis. Niko isn't the shot creator or ball handler Harris is...but his overall scoring is right there.

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stitches · Post #512 » by **stitches** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:13 pm

Today I was thinking... the price of missing on a point guard high in the draft is so high... The miss on Exum has snowballed and made us spend assets again and again in attempt to patchwork a solution - first we gave up a lottery pick for 1 year of George Hill, then we gave up another pick for Ricky Rubio and now we are about to spend one or two more picks on another 2 year solution in Mike Conley and after that we will probably need to give up more value for the next one... What a disaster that Exum miss has been.

AingesBurner · Post #513 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:32 pm

I would be happy if we walked away with Brogdon and Randle.

Post #514 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:43 pm

KqWIN wrote:I've always thought that Mirotic was a little underrated on defense. He's better than Harris for sure. I'd also say he's an overall better defender than Jae as well.

Every time I've watched him he played very poor defense. But I have that effect on certain players, who are very good players but any time I watch them they don't impress or outright suck.

KqWIN · Post #515 » by **KqWIN** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:50 pm

stitches wrote:Today I was thinking... the price of missing on a point guard high in the draft is so high... The miss on Exum has snowballed and made us spend assets again and again in attempt to patchwork a solution - first we gave up a lottery pick for 1 year of George Hill, then we gave up another pick for Ricky Rubio and now we are about to spend one or two more picks on another 2 year solution in Mike Conley and after that we will probably need to give up more value for the next one... What a disaster that Exum miss has been.

Don't forget about Trey Burke. 5 first round draft picks later and we still don't have an answer at PG.

stitches · Post #516 » by **stitches** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:59 pm

KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:Today I was thinking... the price of missing on a point guard high in the draft is so high... The miss on Exum has snowballed and made us spend assets again and again in attempt to patchwork a solution - first we gave up a lottery pick for 1 year of George Hill, then we gave up another pick for Ricky Rubio and now we are about to spend one or two more picks on another 2 year solution in Mike Conley and after that we will probably need to give up more value for the next one... What a disaster that Exum miss has been.

Don't forget about Trey Burke. 5 first round draft picks later and we still don't have an answer at PG.

Yep, Burke and Exum 2 consecutive drafts... 3 1st round picks, 2 of them lottery... then one more lottery pick for HIll, then no. 20 for Rubio and now we will probably give up one or 2 more and it STILL won't be the long-term solution... WOW! Horrible.

AingesBurner · Post #517 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:02 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
stitches wrote:Today I was thinking... the price of missing on a point guard high in the draft is so high... The miss on Exum has snowballed and made us spend assets again and again in attempt to patchwork a solution - first we gave up a lottery pick for 1 year of George Hill, then we gave up another pick for Ricky Rubio and now we are about to spend one or two more picks on another 2 year solution in Mike Conley and after that we will probably need to give up more value for the next one... What a disaster that Exum miss has been.

Don't forget about Trey Burke. 5 first round draft picks later and we still don't have an answer at PG.

Yep, Burke and Exum 2 consecutive drafts... 3 1st round picks, 2 of them lottery... then one more lottery pick for HIll, then no. 20 for Rubio and now we will probably give up one or 2 more and it STILL won't be the long-term solution... WOW! Horrible.

We could have had McCollum and traded 5 for a good player.

AingesBurner · Post #518 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:04 pm

At this point though Donnie and Gobert have been our saving graces now we just need to turn Future Flex and Cap Considerations into a good player.

stitches · Post #519 » by **stitches** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I've always thought that Mirotic was a little underrated on defense. He's better than Harris for sure. I'd also say he's an overall better defender than Jae as well.

Every time I've watched him he played very poor defense. But I have that effect on certain players, who are very good players but any time I watch them they don't impress or outright suck.

I keep wondering why every team he lands on ends up putting him on the bench. Bad, mediocre or good teams... every single one of them ultimately decided he's better off coming off the bench. I don't know what to think of him. He looks like a very good fit with his shooting but even his shooting is not great... it's like... barely average and he's not a good defender or passer/playmaker offensively. I have been and still am very queasy about tying ourselves to a big Mirotic contract. I think he's MLE type of player and he will get more than that...

KqWIN · Post #520 » by **KqWIN** » Wed May 15, 2019 4:59 pm

stitches wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I've always thought that Mirotic was a little underrated on defense. He's better than Harris for sure. I'd also say he's an overall better defender than Jae as well.

Every time I've watched him he played very poor defense. But I have that effect on certain players, who are very good players but any time I watch them they don't impress or outright suck.

I keep wondering why every team he lands on ends up putting him on the bench. Bad, mediocre or good teams... every single one of them ultimately decided he's better off coming off the bench. I don't know what to think of him. He looks like a very good fit with his shooting but even his shooting is not great... it's like... barely average and he's not a good defender or passer/playmaker offensively. I have been and still am very queasy about tying ourselves to a big Mirotic contract. I think he's MLE type of player and he will get more than that...

I don't know how fair that is. CHI ended up benching him/playing him less because he was too good. NOP started him and played him big minutes in the playoffs. He even started the series guarding KD, and while he's no Jrue, he didn't get completely mopped. MIL just moved him in the starting lineup and he played more minutes than any other big in the BOS series for MIL other than Giannis. He's never been on a team that was better with him off the court than when he was on it.