NBA 2017 Draft Prospects Thread

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #561 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Mon May 15, 2017 7:04 am

What's the news on Kostja Mushidi? He declared, right?

Where would y'all project him to go in this draft? Seems like someone the Jazz would be interested in drafting and keeping overseas for a bit. DraftExpress has him projected to go 35th in next years draft.

stitches · Post #562 » by **stitches** » Mon May 15, 2017 8:26 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:What's the news on Kostja Mushidi? He declared, right?

Where would y'all project him to go in this draft? Seems like someone the Jazz would be interested in drafting and keeping overseas for a bit. DraftExpress has him projected to go 35th in next years draft.

I'm not a big fan of Mushidi. To me he looks a bit like Briscoe from Kentucky. Stocky, well built, but seems to lack wiggle and creativity in halfcourt. He will need a TON of work to be a PG(which he used to be listed as, but recently people seem to be counting him as a SG), I think his PG-skill level is not great. He might become a good 3 and D type of 2, but then again - even his shot is not consistent. I'm not opposed to taking a shot at him in the second, but I wouldn't draft him in the first.

stitches · Post #563 » by **stitches** » Mon May 15, 2017 2:13 pm

Here's my big board post-combine with tiers:
--------------------------------------------tier 1
1. Markelle Fultz
--------------------------------------------tier 2
2. Josh Jackson
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jonathan Isaac
5. Dennis Smith JR
6. Lonzo Ball
--------------------------------------------tier 3
7. Lauri Markkanen
8. Frank Ntilikina
9. De'Aaron Fox
10. Malik Monk
11. Justin Patton
12. Bam Adebayo
--------------------------------------------tier 4
13. Zach Collins
14. OG Anunoby
15. Donovan Mitchell
16. Ike Anigbou
17. Rodions Kurucs
18. Harry Giles
19. Jonathan Jeanne
20. Frank Jackson
21. Hamidou Diallo
--------------------------------------------tier 5
22. Sindarius Thornwell
23. DJ Wilson
24. Jarrett Allen
25. Anzejs Pasecniks
26. Justin Jackson (UNC)
27. Kyle Kuzma
28. TJ Leaf
29. Isaiah Hartenstein
30. Terrance Ferguson
31. Jawun Evans
32. Ivan Rabb
33. Thomas Bryant
34. Frank Mason III
35. Luke Kennard
...

SoCalJazzFan · Post #564 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon May 15, 2017 8:27 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Serious question, why the love for Jordan Bell? Undersized and can't shoot from range- not a recipe for success as a PF in the modern NBA.

People said the same things about Draymond Green.

Green shot 36% from 3 at MSU. Jordan Bell hasn't shown he can shoot from distance worth a lick. I doubt people were saying the same things about Draymond Green. I really liked Green coming out of college, but the argument that he was a tweener without a defined position was dead on at the time. Now, everyone is reaching for the next Draymond Green. Really the question will be if Jordan Bell can show some potential shooting from distance. If not, he'll be extremely limited.

Hoops Addict · Post #565 » by **Hoops Addict** » Mon May 15, 2017 11:59 pm

Diallo, if available, the Jazz take for certain at #25, right? If he played in college he would have been a top 10 pick probably.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #566 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:05 am

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:Serious question, why the love for Jordan Bell? Undersized and can't shoot from range- not a recipe for success as a PF in the modern NBA.

People said the same things about Draymond Green.

Green shot 36% from 3 at MSU. Jordan Bell hasn't shown he can shoot from distance worth a lick. I doubt people were saying the same things about Draymond Green. I really liked Green coming out of college, but the argument that he was a tweener without a defined position was dead on at the time. Now, everyone is reaching for the next Draymond Green. Really the question will be if Jordan Bell can show some potential shooting from distance. If not, he'll be extremely limited.

I'm not saying Bell is Draymond, I'm just saying that he received similar criticism. Don't forget, Draymond was taken in the second round, it wasn't like he was considered to be a top tier prospect.

Bell doesn't need to a 3 point shot to be effective. He's a defensive terror that can protect the rim and guard guys on the perimeter. If he did nothing else but that, he'd be worth a pick.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #567 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:06 am

Hoops Addict wrote:Diallo, if available, the Jazz take for certain at #25, right? If he played in college he would have been a top 10 pick probably.

I hope so. He's my top guy for us at 24 if he's there. Stash him in the D-league and let him develop. He's got Wiggins type athleticism and his height and wingspan are awesome for an NBA 2 guard. I wouldn't be able to understand passing on him if he's there at 24.

KqWIN · Post #568 » by **KqWIN** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:08 am

Hoops Addict wrote:Diallo, if available, the Jazz take for certain at #25, right? If he played in college he would have been a top 10 pick probably.

Or he could have gone undrafted. Playing college basketball hurts more draft stocks than it helps.

MalonesElbows · Post #569 » by **MalonesElbows** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:49 am

stitches wrote:Here's my big board post-combine with tiers:
--------------------------------------------tier 1
1. Markelle Fultz
--------------------------------------------tier 2
2. Josh Jackson
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jonathan Isaac
5. Dennis Smith JR
6. Lonzo Ball
--------------------------------------------tier 3
7. Lauri Markkanen
8. Frank Ntilikina
9. De'Aaron Fox
10. Malik Monk
11. Justin Patton
12. Bam Adebayo
--------------------------------------------tier 4
13. Zach Collins
14. OG Anunoby
15. Donovan Mitchell
16. Ike Anigbou
17. Rodions Kurucs
18. Harry Giles
19. Jonathan Jeanne
20. Frank Jackson
21. Hamidou Diallo
--------------------------------------------tier 5
22. Sindarius Thornwell
23. DJ Wilson
24. Jarrett Allen
25. Anzejs Pasecniks
26. Justin Jackson (UNC)
27. Kyle Kuzma
28. TJ Leaf
29. Isaiah Hartenstein
30. Terrance Ferguson
31. Jawun Evans
32. Ivan Rabb
33. Thomas Bryant
34. Frank Mason III
35. Luke Kennard
...

Tiers are moronic and pointless. Bet you would have had Gobert in a "Tier 5".

KqWIN · Post #570 » by **KqWIN** » Tue May 16, 2017 2:59 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
Tiers are moronic and pointless. Bet you would have had Gobert in a "Tier 5".

By that logic any preemptive discussion, speculation, or predictions are moronic and pointless.

Daddy 801 · Post #571 » by **Daddy 801** » Tue May 16, 2017 3:02 am

KqWIN wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
Tiers are moronic and pointless. Bet you would have had Gobert in a "Tier 5".

By that logic any preemptive discussion, speculation, or predictions are moronic and pointless.

All mock drafts are stupid I guess?

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #572 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue May 16, 2017 3:40 am

stitches wrote:Here's my big board post-combine with tiers:
--------------------------------------------tier 1
1. Markelle Fultz
--------------------------------------------tier 2
2. Josh Jackson
3. Jayson Tatum
4. Jonathan Isaac
5. Dennis Smith JR
6. Lonzo Ball
--------------------------------------------tier 3
7. Lauri Markkanen
8. Frank Ntilikina
9. De'Aaron Fox
10. Malik Monk
11. Justin Patton
12. Bam Adebayo
--------------------------------------------tier 4
13. Zach Collins
14. OG Anunoby
15. Donovan Mitchell
16. Ike Anigbou
17. Rodions Kurucs
18. Harry Giles
19. Jonathan Jeanne
20. Frank Jackson
21. Hamidou Diallo
--------------------------------------------tier 5
22. Sindarius Thornwell
23. DJ Wilson
24. Jarrett Allen
25. Anzejs Pasecniks
26. Justin Jackson (UNC)
27. Kyle Kuzma
28. TJ Leaf
29. Isaiah Hartenstein
30. Terrance Ferguson
31. Jawun Evans
32. Ivan Rabb
33. Thomas Bryant
34. Frank Mason III
35. Luke Kennard
...

Wow, you got some pretty bold ones on there.

Bam at 12? Fox at 9th? Jeanne at 19th? Thornwell at 22? Kuzma ahead of Leaf? Frank Mason III at 34? Bold.

stitches · Post #573 » by **stitches** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:11 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Wow, you got some pretty bold ones on there.

Bam at 12? Fox at 9th? Jeanne at 19th? Thornwell at 22? Kuzma ahead of Leaf? Frank Mason III at 34? Bold.

Keep in mind that I haven't watched most of the second rounders extensively so players like Mason jump up simply by the fact that I've watched him and I haven't watched others. Also rankings within tiers might be very fluid and especially at the end of the list I'd be looking at those more as a group of players of similar value than as a discrete and well-separated entities.

Also, Don't take Fox being at 9 as a slight. In other drafts he's probably a top 5 prospect. I just like the top of the draft more than other years.

stitches · Post #574 » by **stitches** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:15 am

MalonesElbows wrote:Tiers are moronic and pointless. Bet you would have had Gobert in a "Tier 5".

Well, I guess we should close the forum and stop talking since pretty much anything we talk about is projection for the future and we might be wrong about it. Also how exactly do you know Gobert would have been in Tier 5? I don't think I did an official board back then but I remember I liked Gobert more than most. And he also fits a size/athleticism profile that I usually like and project higher than most. For example, see Jeanne in this draft.

KqWIN · Post #575 » by **KqWIN** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:39 am

I'm not really on the Leaf train either. I'm not convinced that he is a good shooter, or at least as good as advertised. Most of his offense came within 15 feet, and I don't see him being successful in those areas as a pro.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #576 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:29 am

Well, I've adjusted this about a million times (even in just the past few days) but here's where my big board currently sits at....

-------------------------------Tier 1
1: Markelle Fultz
-------------------------------Tier 2
2: Josh Jackson
3: De’Aaron Fox
4: Johnathan Isaac
5: Jayson Tatum
------------------------------Tier 3
6: Lonzo Ball
7: Lauri Markkanen
8: Malik Monk
9: Dennis Smith
10: Frank Ntlikina
-----------------------------Tier 4
11: OG Anunoby
12: Justin Jackson (UNC)
13: Justin Patton
14: Jarrett Allen
15: Zach Collins
16: John Collins
17: Hamidou Diallo
18: Frank Jackson
-----------------------------Tier 5
19: Donovan Mitchell
20: Rodions Kurcus
21: Isaiah Hartenstein
22: Anzejs Pasecniks
23: TJ Leaf
*24: Ike Anigbogu
----------------------------Tier 6
25: Harry Giles
26: Jawun Evans
27: Terrance Ferguson
28: Bam Edebayo
29: Ivan Rabb
*30: DJ Wilson

31: Semi Ojeleye
32: Kyle Kuzma
33: Caleb Swanigan
34: Luke Kennard
35: Tyler Lydon
36: Derrick White
37: Jordan Bell
38: Mathias Lessort
39: Thomas Bryant
40: Josh Hart
41: Wesley Iwundu
*42: Jonathan Jeanne
--------------------------------Tier 7
43: Devin Robinson
44: Dillon Brooks
45: Jaron Blossomgame
46: Justin Jackson (Maryland)
47: Tony Bradley
48: Jonah Bolden
49: Mortiz Wagner
50: Sindarius Thornwell
51: Cameron Oliver
52: Jonathan Motley
53: Frank Mason III
----------------------------Tier 8
54: Edmond Sumner
*55: LJ Peak
56: Damyean Dotson
57: Malcolm Hill
58: Monte Morris
---------------------------Tier 9
59: Kennedy Meeks
60: Omer Yureseven

Guys that I've debated putting on my board somewhere, but haven't yet (in no particular order):

PJ Dozier
Dwayne Bacon
Rawle Atkins
Kostja Mushidi
Nigel Hayes
Tyler Dorsey
Chris Boucher
Peter Jok
Luke Kornet
Kobi Simmons
Alec Peters
Melo Trimble
Eric Mika
Moses Kingsley

stitches · Post #577 » by **stitches** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:34 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Well, I've adjusted this about a million times (even in just the past few days) but here's where my big board currently sits at....

-------------------------------Tier 1
1: Markelle Fultz
-------------------------------Tier 2
2: Josh Jackson
3: De’Aaron Fox
4: Johnathan Isaac
5: Jayson Tatum
------------------------------Tier 3
6: Lonzo Ball
7: Lauri Markkanen
8: Malik Monk
9: Dennis Smith
10: Frank Ntlikina
-----------------------------Tier 4
11: OG Anunoby
12: Justin Jackson (UNC)
13: Justin Patton
14: Jarrett Allen
15: Zach Collins
16: John Collins
17: Hamidou Diallo
18: Frank Jackson
-----------------------------Tier 5
19: Donovan Mitchell
20: Rodions Kurcus
21: Isaiah Hartenstein
22: Anzejs Pasecniks
23: TJ Leaf
*24: Ike Anigbogu
----------------------------Tier 6
25: Harry Giles
26: Jawun Evans
27: Terrance Ferguson
28: Bam Edebayo
29: Ivan Rabb
*30: DJ Wilson

31: Semi Ojeleye
32: Kyle Kuzma
33: Caleb Swanigan
34: Luke Kennard
35: Tyler Lydon
36: Derrick White
37: Jordan Bell
38: Mathias Lessort
39: Thomas Bryant
40: Josh Hart
41: Wesley Iwundu
*42: Jonathan Jeanne
--------------------------------Tier 7
43: Devin Robinson
44: Dillon Brooks
45: Jaron Blossomgame
46: Justin Jackson (Maryland)
47: Tony Bradley
48: Jonah Bolden
49: Mortiz Wagner
50: Sindarius Thornwell
51: Cameron Oliver
52: Jonathan Motley
53: Frank Mason III
----------------------------Tier 8
54: Edmond Sumner
*55: LJ Peak
56: Damyean Dotson
57: Malcolm Hill
58: Monte Morris
---------------------------Tier 9
59: Kennedy Meeks
60: Omer Yureseven

Guys that I've debated putting on my board somewhere, but haven't yet (in no particular order):

PJ Dozier
Dwayne Bacon
Rawle Atkins
Kostja Mushidi
Nigel Hayes
Tyler Dorsey
Chris Boucher
Peter Jok
Luke Kornet
Kobi Simmons
Alec Peters
Melo Trimble
Eric Mika
Moses Kingsley

I forgot Rawle Alkins... I actually like him... He would be around top 30 on my board.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #578 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:38 am

stitches wrote:I forgot Rawle Alkins... I actually like him... He would be around top 30 on my board.

I just don't know what to make of him. He's a brute for a guard, which I like, but his shot mechanics are a little iffy to me and I don't know... I've just never come away from watching him seeing how he could fit into an NBA team. Sorta reminds me of Terry Rozier, but not as good. That's about the best description of how I feel about him that I can come up with on the spot (and it's not a good one). I've had him on and off my board a few times now since the combine (where he looked great). Just can't commit myself to putting him on there somewhere.

But I don't blame people for liking him. I can see why.

KqWIN · Post #579 » by **KqWIN** » Tue May 16, 2017 4:34 pm

So what do we know about Rodions Kurcus?

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #580 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:54 pm

KqWIN wrote:So what do we know about Rodions Kurcus?

Not much, tbh.

He's a solid shooter with really good looking mechanics. He has good size for an NBA wing and appears to have good athleticism. Seems to have decent handles, but it's hard to say with the limited film we have on him. I don't have a clue about his defense. There's just not much film of him out there, but the limited amount we have shows that there's a lot to like. Especially his combo of size, shooting and athleticism.