Ante Tomic

Post #61 » by **StocktonShorts** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:41 am

It sure seems unlikely the Jazz are bringing him over this year. And him coming over gets increasingly unlikely with each passing year.

babyjax13 · Post #62 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:44 am

Gobert, Kanter and Favors make it seem unlikely to me that we plan on signing him, or that he'd want to come here.

pickIBL · Post #63 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:59 am

Gobert hasn't proven anything yet. If you want some Ante Tomic action this year you can play with him on NBA 2k14 with FC Barcelona. It will be very interesting to see if he can duplicate the success he had last year. If he does plenty of teams will be calling if he doesn't sign with the Jazz.

babyjax13 · Post #64 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:07 am

It's more the fact that we're actively looking for centers instead of trying to sign him (that we know of) that seems to indicate that he might not come. I'd love it if he would, I have come away extremely impressed every time I have watched him (which has only been about 3x's). Of course, I also had similar feelings about Esteban Batista and he went nowhere in the NBA (they're also completely different players and I recognize that).

pickIBL · Post #65 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:13 am

babyjax13 wrote:It's more the fact that we're actively looking for centers instead of trying to sign him (that we know of) that seems to indicate that he might not come.

Gobert has the longest wingspan on record since they started keeping track of that pre-draft stuff. He's a freak of nature that actually looks like he belongs on a basketball court... and he could develop into something. I like the Gobert selection. That said Tomic is so skilled that if he duplicates his success there will be lots of NBA teams calling with their checkbooks open. He's just another asset the Jazz will hopefully use to develop a strong team.

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Post #66 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:20 am

babyjax13 wrote:It's more the fact that we're actively looking for centers instead of trying to sign him (that we know of) that seems to indicate that he might not come.

are the jazz actively looking for centers? i thought they were done for this year. it looks like they are looking at combo guards now, and that they might need to fill a roster spot at the PF position and not at C.

that said, i agree that the more time passes, the less likely it is for tomic to come over. i've said it all along. if we are still looking for a C prospect with great physical tools and upside, i'd take a hard look at Hassan Whiteside, who is free to sign with any NBA team.

king everything · Post #67 » by **king everything** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:28 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:It's more the fact that we're actively looking for centers instead of trying to sign him (that we know of) that seems to indicate that he might not come.

are the jazz actively looking for centers? i thought they were done for this year. it looks like they are looking at combo guards now, and that they might need to fill a roster spot at the PF position and not at C.

that said, i agree that the more time passes, the less likely it is for tomic to come over. i've said it all along. if we are still looking for a C prospect with great physical tools and upside, i'd take a hard look at Hassan Whiteside, who is free to sign with any NBA team.

I think we need a pf more than another center. I'm still slightly disappointed we haven't made a (public) run at Ivan Johnson. We need a dog with dmc gone. Johnson is a dog. (Big dog 2.0 or big dog lite, even)

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pickIBL · Post #68 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:29 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:i'd take a hard look at Hassan Whiteside, who is free to sign with any NBA team.

He went to his predraft measurements in flip-flops and still measured out at 6'11.5. A big red flag for me is that he never really dominated in the D-League... Jeremy Tyler showed up in the D-League and in SL play. Whiteside just doesn't seem to impact the game like he could. Plenty of late bloomers out there... nothing wrong with a camp invite.

The D-league is generally always hurting for decent big men... so when a guy goes down and he doesn't put in work it concerns me.

pickIBL · Post #69 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:31 am

king everything wrote:. I'm still slightly disappointed we haven't made a (public) run at Ivan Johnson.

Maybe after he finishes in China this season. The CBA wont let him out til then.

king everything · Post #70 » by **king everything** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:36 am

pickIBL wrote:
king everything wrote:. I'm still slightly disappointed we haven't made a (public) run at Ivan Johnson.

Maybe after he finishes in China this season. The CBA wont let him out til then.

ooh, my bad- I missed that he'd signed in china. Ugh. I'd have liked him a lot in that final roster spot.

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Jefff · Post #71 » by **Jefff** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:40 am

i don't think Tomic will come this year, we already have 4 players that can play at center... maybe next year where Biedrins will go and Tomic will have just one year left on his euro contract. Anyway, even if he's still not proved in the NBA, he's some value as an asset, he was a good pick for a late 2nd round

Post #72 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:42 am

the biggest concern with whiteside was his maturity level, which proved to be a justified concern. but he's grown a bit, played professionally in china, and got some experience, and still is very young. the worst thing that could have happened to him - actually happened, and that was getting drafted by the kings, into a horrible, dysfunctional situation with a team that failed miserably to develop talent in recent years. can't really think of any players who did well there in that past few years.

he still might be a bit immature, and not the sharpest guy around, but there is plenty of talent there. plenty of room for development, and great physical attributes. he needs a good support system and the right environment, and the jazz have that.

king everything · Post #73 » by **king everything** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:55 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:he still might be a bit immature, and not the sharpest guy around, but there is plenty of talent there. plenty of room for development, and great physical attributes. he needs a good support system and the right environment, and the jazz have that.

idk that we have that anymore. Our vet presence is John Lucas III. I think it'd be a bad year to take on a potential head case.

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Post #74 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:02 am

king everything wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:he still might be a bit immature, and not the sharpest guy around, but there is plenty of talent there. plenty of room for development, and great physical attributes. he needs a good support system and the right environment, and the jazz have that.
idk that we have that anymore. Our vet presence is John Lucas III. I think it'd be a bad year to take on a potential head case.

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he's not a headcase by any means. just a kid acting his age. either way, the development and support system starts from the top, and the franchise mentality in that aspect did not change. we are also not talking about a one year process - development will take time.

Matt007b · Post #75 » by **Matt007b** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:23 am

maybe they're being thrifty.. (the Jazz) and waiting for his contract to run out in Europe instead of buying out..

Plus they can take their time since we have 3 centers now.. but yeah I'd like to see him come over.

pickIBL · Post #76 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:29 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
king everything wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:he's not a headcase by any means. just a kid acting his age. either way, the development and support system starts from the top, and the franchise mentality in that aspect did not change. we are also not talking about a one year process - development will take time.

He's only 24... sometimes it does take time. Personally if Leo Lyons has an NBA out I'd rather him. He's been developing that outside jumper. He made 38% of his 3's and took almost 200 in 53 games. Plus he made 80% of his foul shots. This guy has been putting in the work.

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pickIBL · Post #77 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:48 pm

I just can't seem to forget about this guy. He's off to a blazing start an MVP candidate once again. Right now he and Sasha Kaun are the best starting centers outside the NBA with Ioannis always in the convo. You can watch all his games online of course, and I can just see the Spurs thinking about this guy when they look for someone to try and replace some of what Duncan brought. His passing has just been phenomenal too out of the gate.

At this point... pay the man. He's worth it.

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Post #78 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:24 pm

the problem is that now with favors, kanter and maybe gobert, it looks like tomic may have missed his chance, at least with the jazz. i don't hold much hope he'll play for the jazz anymore. i think if he'll ever come to the NBA, it will be to play for another team. i guess that will have to require a trade.

pickIBL · Post #79 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:31 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:the problem is that now with favors, kanter and maybe gobert.

Coming around on Gobert are ya? I actually think Gobert is a pretty long-term project as his body needs to develop.

Considering at most Tomic would get 5 million a year I don't see the issue. What's a 3rd big worth?? Don't the Jazz want to win next year? If you sign Tomic and say Ivan Johnson (who would instantly be Karl Malone's new hunting buddy and BFF lol) that's a talented front court.

Contenders got to have a good bench right?

Post #80 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:41 pm

i'm hoping he'll do well. but everything i said about him still stands. he's got very good length and mobility, and zero offensive polish. you always like to see the high percentages scoring outputs he had in some of the pre season games, but it was all just dunks off a pass or offensive rebounds. he did had one nice hook shot, that i was hoping to see more, but other than that - he didn't know what to do with the ball when he got it, even though he often had good position in the post, and just gave it right back to someone else.

i wouldn't be opposed to getting tomic, i just think it is less likely. didn't you say that yourself after the jazz drafted gobert? anyway, yes, contenders could use players like him, but the jazz aren't close to being one just yet. so maybe he'll get traded to a contender? or maybe he'll just stay in europe until the jazz become a contender and then they bring him over. but that could also mean he'll stay in europe for the rest of his career...