Should He Stay or Should He Go?- Rodney Hood

[Inigo Montoya]

preliminary discussions? Which would be what? A offer. You believe they set down and said we're willing to pay Hood 4 to 6 million a year? There not in the business to insult players or cheat there young players. I know there was a fair offer on the table In the preliminary discussions. Think about it.

There is a difference between discussion and an actual offer, which is what I'm asking about. Was it ever reported that the Jazz made an offer to Hood for X amount of money for X amount of years and he said no? I think not. At this point, I can't even remember if there were any reports about what the Jazz were willing to offer even as part of a discussion and not as an actual offer.

Also, offering Hood JJ money (10M) is not a fair offer. He could sign for that much even he'd have a terrible season. Such an offer--giving him the lowest end of the spectrum of the offers he could get even if he sucks--is not a fair offer.

[babyjax13]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

[ForeverRDjazz]

preliminary discussions? Which would be what? A offer. You believe they set down and said we're willing to pay Hood 4 to 6 million a year? There not in the business to insult players or cheat there young players. I know there was a fair offer on the table In the preliminary discussions. Think about it.

There is a difference between discussion and an actual offer, which is what I'm asking about. Was it ever reported that the Jazz made an offer to Hood for X amount of money for X amount of years and he said no? I think not. At this point, I can't even remember if there were any reports about what the Jazz were willing to offer even as part of a discussion and not as an actual offer.

You really don't think Jazz made a offer? Ever hear of a Qualifying offer? Had to be a offer in order for the Jazz to be able to match any offer that player might get from any other teams. Like i said. Jazz aren't in business to insult players with a low ball offer. What they thought was going to be close to market value which would be close to 15 mill a year.

[Inigo Montoya]

You really don't think Jazz made a offer? Ever hear of a Qualifying offer? Had to be a offer in order for the Jazz to be able to match any offer that player might get from any other teams. Like i said. Jazz aren't in business to insult players with a low ball offer. What they thought was going to be close to market value which would be close to 15 mill a year.

So you're saying that the Jazz's "good" offer was to pick up Hood's Qualifying Offer? That's a technicality rather than an offer for an extension or for a new contract.

15M per year would seem like a reasonable offer from the Jazz's part. Do we know they made it? Have you encountered and reports online that said the Jazz made an offer to Hood in the 15M range and he declined? I've looked and wasn't able to find any.

[sipclip]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

Don't bring race into this. Hood got booed because he had been playing so bad for such a long stretch. Every single fan base has booed some of there own players at times. Nothing new with what we saw last night.

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[babyjax13]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

Don't bring race into this. Hood got booed because he had been playing so bad for such a long stretch. Every single fan base has booed some of there own players at times. Nothing new with what we saw last night.

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Nah, it's actually pretty relevant. IDK why we have the hesitation to "not bring race into it," the crowd shouldn't boo him and it comes off as a bunch of people at the game to watch a circus act. Regardless of what you think, that kind of behavior has a very real impact on athletes.

[ForeverRDjazz]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

Don't bring race into this. Hood got booed because he had been playing so bad for such a long stretch. Every single fan base has booed some of there own players at times. Nothing new with what we saw last night.

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Nah, it's actually pretty relevant. IDK why we have the hesitation to "not bring race into it," the crowd shouldn't boo him and it comes off as a bunch of people at the game to watch a circus act. Regardless of what you think, that kind of behavior has a very real impact on athletes.

Even white Gordon was booed when drafted. Not to sure race is the problem as much as banking in one three and missing the other seven shots by a mile. I'm not the kind of fan who'd boo. Only the fan who'd ask why the coach still thinks he needs him in the game? I understand you want a leash but there comes a point with players.

[babyjax13]

Don't bring race into this. Hood got booed because he had been playing so bad for such a long stretch. Every single fan base has booed some of there own players at times. Nothing new with what we saw last night.

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Nah, it's actually pretty relevant. IDK why we have the hesitation to "not bring race into it," the crowd shouldn't boo him and it comes off as a bunch of people at the game to watch a circus act. Regardless of what you think, that kind of behavior has a very real impact on athletes.

Even white Gordon was booed when drafted. Not to sure race is the problem as much as banking in one three and missing the other seven shots by a mile. I'm not the kind of fan who'd boo. Only the fan who'd ask why the coach still thinks he needs him in the game? I understand you want a leash but there comes a point with players.

You are missing a historical context though in which black athletes have been treated poorly and as a spectacle for years. Someone like Rodney Hood is coming from Mississippi where he likely grew up hearing racist comments especially centered around his role as an athlete, and even the history of professional and college sports reflects this. I'm not saying fans don't boo white players or that that isn't wrong too, I'm saying that there is a historical context that makes it especially bad, and that people who haven't spent significant time with black people or in the South might not understand. Race is relevant here whether or not people want it to be or intend it to be.

[ForeverRDjazz]

You really don't think Jazz made a offer? Ever hear of a Qualifying offer? Had to be a offer in order for the Jazz to be able to match any offer that player might get from any other teams. Like i said. Jazz aren't in business to insult players with a low ball offer. What they thought was going to be close to market value which would be close to 15 mill a year.

So you're saying that the Jazz's "good" offer was to pick up Hood's Qualifying Offer? That's a technicality rather than an offer for an extension or for a new contract.

15M per year would seem like a reasonable offer from the Jazz's part. Do we know they made it? Have you encountered and reports online that said the Jazz made an offer to Hood in the 15M range and he declined? I've looked and wasn't able to find any.

I do know there was a offer that the Jazz felt would be close to market value. Yes the Jazz would love a fair deal after believing and drafting a player on the draft board. Does that player own the jazz a good value after taking that chance on them? Up to that person. I do know the jazz would be close to what they feel is fair market value on what they'v seen. Now the player bombs or get injured it could cost them big time money. He goes off that year with a great season, Any team can offer max which jazz can match then. No risen for jazz to low ball a player offer on what they'v seen. Player is taking a hug risk if they end up with a career ending injury. Get nothing.

[Inigo Montoya]

I do know there was a offer that the Jazz felt would be close to market value. Yes the Jazz would love a fair deal after believing and drafting a player on the draft board. Does that player own the jazz a good value after taking that chance on them? Up to that person. I do know the jazz would be close to what they feel is fair market value on what they'v seen. Now the player bombs or get injured it could cost them big time money. He goes off that year with a great season, Any team can offer max which jazz can match then. No risen for jazz to low ball a player offer on what they'v seen. Player is taking a hug risk if they end up with a career ending injury. Get nothing.

What you're describing is the calculations teams and players make, which is fine--don't really have an issue with that. All I'm asking is any source to back up the claim that the Jazz made an actual offer to Hood, let alone a good one, and that Hood declined.

[Daddy 801]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

Personally I don't boo and I agree with your sentiment that booing is counterproductive. But Saying we shouldn't boo an athlete because of his race is actually racist. We should treat individuals as individuals. If Hood is playing like crap (even on MLK day) and we don't boo him we are singling him out and treating him different. The people who do boo should do it with not thought to the players race. You play bad you get boo'd. We shouldn't boo our players though. Hood is going to be pissed and less likely to sign a team friendly deal. Negativity is always counter productive.

As a side note I have to say Utah people are the kindest least racist people I have lived amongst. I have lived in the suburbs of St. Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Hartford, and traveled all over the country. Yes, there are some sheltered people in Utah, but the people are extremely nice. St. Louis was by far the most racist place I have lived. And it went both ways. The tension there between races is so bad I would never consider living there again.

[babyjax13]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

Personally I don't boo and I agree with your sentiment that booing is counterproductive. But Saying we shouldn't boo an athlete because of his race is actually racist. We should treat individuals as individuals. If Hood is playing like crap (even on MLK day) and we don't boo him we are singling him out and treating him different. The people who do boo should do it with not thought to the players race. You play bad you get boo'd. We shouldn't boo our players though. Hood is going to be pissed and less likely to sign a team friendly deal. Negativity is always counter productive.

As a side note I have to say Utah people are the kindest least racist people I have lived amongst. I have lived in the suburbs of St. Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Hartford, and traveled all over the country. Yes, there are some sheltered people in Utah, but the people are extremely nice. St. Louis was by far the most racist place I have lived. And it went both ways. The tension there between races is so bad I would never consider living there again.

I'm not saying you shouldn't boo him because of his race, I'm saying that given the way black athletes are treated in particular it's *obviously* bad and comes loaded with a particular history that white athletes don't have to contend with. I'll stop here, I've made my point.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Nah, it's actually pretty relevant. IDK why we have the hesitation to "not bring race into it," the crowd shouldn't boo him and it comes off as a bunch of people at the game to watch a circus act. Regardless of what you think, that kind of behavior has a very real impact on athletes.

Even white Gordon was booed when drafted. Not to sure race is the problem as much as banking in one three and missing the other seven shots by a mile. I'm not the kind of fan who'd boo. Only the fan who'd ask why the coach still thinks he needs him in the game? I understand you want a leash but there comes a point with players.

You are missing a historical context though in which black athletes have been treated poorly and as a spectacle for years. Someone like Rodney Hood is coming from Mississippi where he likely grew up hearing racist comments especially centered around his role as an athlete, and even the history of professional and college sports reflects this. I'm not saying fans don't boo white players or that that isn't wrong too, I'm saying that there is a historical context that makes it especially bad, and that people who haven't spent significant time with black people or in the South might not understand. Race is relevant here whether or not people want it to be or intend it to be.

It's hard not to play the race card when things start going bad? Nothing to do with one for ten shooting? I think Hood is a smart young man who knows his game is off and it's not because he's black. Not buying that he'd believe it's because he's black. Hood plays like Hood of old like last year, he'll make a nice check. Hood is forcing it and not letting it come in the flow. I still think he stand a good chance at a strong finish is he slows down. We need Hood of old more now than ever. We need Rudy and ex back soon also. Just been a hard season to watch. Just think who the players are feeling? Gotta be harder on them than us.

[Inigo Montoya]

Well, when the crowd booed Hood, he wasn't really forcing it. He was getting great open looks from what I can recall. He just wasn't making them, and got booed for it. Shame that it happened.

[ForeverRDjazz]

I don't think it's a bad look to boo him, it's a terrible look. I go to the University of Alabama (Roll Tide!), our football players regularly have emotional breakdowns because they are treated like a spectacle in the worst kind of way (as in, "look at that black boy run" type of crap). To have a majority white crowd boo a black athlete (on MLK day, no less) is pretty awful all the way around. I get we are frustrated as a fan base, but there isn't a single athlete in the NBA that just wants to be treated like a spectacle.

Personally I don't boo and I agree with your sentiment that booing is counterproductive. But Saying we shouldn't boo an athlete because of his race is actually racist. We should treat individuals as individuals. If Hood is playing like crap (even on MLK day) and we don't boo him we are singling him out and treating him different. The people who do boo should do it with not thought to the players race. You play bad you get boo'd. We shouldn't boo our players though. Hood is going to be pissed and less likely to sign a team friendly deal. Negativity is always counter productive.

As a side note I have to say Utah people are the kindest least racist people I have lived amongst. I have lived in the suburbs of St. Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Hartford, and traveled all over the country. Yes, there are some sheltered people in Utah, but the people are extremely nice. St. Louis was by far the most racist place I have lived. And it went both ways. The tension there between races is so bad I would never consider living there again.

I'm not saying you shouldn't boo him because of his race, I'm saying that given the way black athletes are treated in particular it's *obviously* bad and comes loaded with a particular history that white athletes don't have to contend with. I'll stop here, I've made my point.

Maybe 30 years ago, History. When do we move on and leave it history? People seam to assume because your black your going to rock in sports. White guys have to play at a higher level to be seen as a pro. Just like Mexicans are seen as harder workers. Remember white men can't jump.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Well, when the crowd booed Hood, he wasn't really forcing it. He was getting great open looks from what I can recall. He just wasn't making them, and got booed for it. Shame that it happened.

Wide open and missing makes it even harder to not boo him for fans. Last year he misses a couple he doesn't run down and shoot three more trying to get himself going. Open or not. One thing I love about DM. He'll drive and get to a free throw line or easy buckets. Not keep launching bombs because your open.

[babyjax13]

Personally I don't boo and I agree with your sentiment that booing is counterproductive. But Saying we shouldn't boo an athlete because of his race is actually racist. We should treat individuals as individuals. If Hood is playing like crap (even on MLK day) and we don't boo him we are singling him out and treating him different. The people who do boo should do it with not thought to the players race. You play bad you get boo'd. We shouldn't boo our players though. Hood is going to be pissed and less likely to sign a team friendly deal. Negativity is always counter productive.

As a side note I have to say Utah people are the kindest least racist people I have lived amongst. I have lived in the suburbs of St. Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Hartford, and traveled all over the country. Yes, there are some sheltered people in Utah, but the people are extremely nice. St. Louis was by far the most racist place I have lived. And it went both ways. The tension there between races is so bad I would never consider living there again.

I'm not saying you shouldn't boo him because of his race, I'm saying that given the way black athletes are treated in particular it's *obviously* bad and comes loaded with a particular history that white athletes don't have to contend with. I'll stop here, I've made my point.

Maybe 30 years ago, History. When do we move on and leave it history? People seam to assume because your black your going to rock in sports. White guys have to play at a higher level to be seen as a pro. Just like Mexicans are seen as harder workers. Remember white men can't jump.

Addressing the first sentence, I can assure you that this kind of racism is still very common in Alabama and across the deep South.

[Inigo Montoya]

Well, when the crowd booed Hood, he wasn't really forcing it. He was getting great open looks from what I can recall. He just wasn't making them, and got booed for it. Shame that it happened.

Wide open and missing makes it even harder to not boo him for fans. Last year he misses a couple he doesn't run down and shot three more trying to get himself going. Open or not. One thing I love about DM. He'll drive and get to a free throw line or easy buckets. Not keep launching bombs because your open.

Snyder's system depends on players like him taking those open shots though. It even demands Rubio to shoot. If Hood stops taking wide open shots, who'll spread the floor, or score? I don't have a problem with Hood taking wide open shots. I get fans get frustrated by seeing him miss, but if he's out there bricking shots and the coach keeps him in then it's also on the coach (and it might not be a bad decision). It's not good for fans to single out players. If the team plays poorly and embarrass itself, boo the team as a whole--I can understand that. If you boo individual players from your own team while they are still on the court, that's just...well, Spida covered it.

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[ForeverRDjazz]

I do know there was a offer that the Jazz felt would be close to market value. Yes the Jazz would love a fair deal after believing and drafting a player on the draft board. Does that player own the jazz a good value after taking that chance on them? Up to that person. I do know the jazz would be close to what they feel is fair market value on what they'v seen. Now the player bombs or get injured it could cost them big time money. He goes off that year with a great season, Any team can offer max which jazz can match then. No risen for jazz to low ball a player offer on what they'v seen. Player is taking a hug risk if they end up with a career ending injury. Get nothing.

What you're describing is the calculations teams and players make, which is fine--don't really have an issue with that. All I'm asking is any source to back up the claim that the Jazz made an actual offer to Hood, let alone a good one, and that Hood declined.

I have not real proof the Jazz didn't offer a really low ball offer. I just think it's not wise to do so. And not really wise to not take the bird in a hand over two in the bush. Just me. His agent is willing to gamble on Hood and he's future. I just don't like the gamble but i'v been wrong before.