Trade Ideas for This Season

[SoCalJazzFan]

If Clippers are willing to part with Kennard to ease future salary commitments, perhaps the following 3 team trade:

Clippers- Ingles (expiring)
Celtics- Kennard (they need better shooting and ball handling)
Jazz- Josh Richardson

Or, maybe just Ingles plus ? for Richardson.

Unfortunately, the entire NBA wants what we also need- defensive wings who can shoot.

[AingesBurner]

If Clippers are willing to part with Kennard to ease future salary commitments, perhaps the following 3 team trade:

Clippers- Ingles (expiring)
Celtics- Kennard (they need better shooting and ball handling)
Jazz- Josh Richardson

Or, maybe just Ingles plus ? for Richardson.

Unfortunately, the entire NBA wants what we also need- defensive wings who can shoot.

And when the FO wanted to trade Ingles, while he had value, Quin said no.

[bkohler]

With the news out of LA that Paul George might be done for the year I wonder what it would take to get Batum?

Why not go for Morris and Batum?

I think Batum would be the easier get without upsetting the Apple cart. A second or two.

While I imagine Morris takes ingles to a third team.

Then again maybe the whole Apple cart needs to be shoved down a very steep hill…

[AingesBurner]

With the news out of LA that Paul George might be done for the year I wonder what it would take to get Batum?

Why not go for Morris and Batum?

I think Batum would be the easier get without upsetting the Apple cart. A second or two.

While I imagine Morris takes ingles to a third team.

Then again maybe the whole Apple cart needs to be shoved down a very steep hill…

Yes it does, at least Morris brings some nastiness, **** Joe Ingles.

[dr0welf]

If we want to run with Spida and Gobert its going to take some changes. I don't think the group we have with them can play the defense needed to make it happen. We have shooting but live and die by the 3. We might have to give some of that up to get some defenders. I would take the chance on Simmons/Thybulle. I know Philadelphia wants a lot for Simmons but they are not going to get it. I think they decide to cut their losses. With the strengthened relationship Ryan Smith has with the Philly owner in buying RSL it might be enough to get them to listen.

Bogey/Ingles for Simmons/Thybulle

This gives us defense and less shooting but with Simmons penetration capabilities it will help open up the remaining 3pt shooters. This will also give Philly some incredible 3pt shooting to help open up Embiid. I think Philly would be a tough out.

[Inigo Montoya]

There is no way the Sixers do that. That's highway robbery by the Jazz. Then again, Ainge was able to pull off some lopsided trades but still, this is an absolute bamboozling of the Sixers by the Jazz.

[dr0welf]

There is no way the Sixers do that. That's highway robbery by the Jazz. Then again, Ainge was able to pull off some lopsided trades but still, this is an absolute bamboozling of the Sixers by the Jazz.

possibly, might have to add in some filler to sweeten it. But I think it helps both teams out and I don't think Simmons value is as high as it once was. They are getting a huge upgrade because right now Simmons won't play for them. So they lose Thybulle and replace with Bogie and Ingles both on short term contracts so they can try to win with more shooting. If this doesn't work they can retool.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Aside from the unlikelihood of the trade, and what a team chemistry risk Simmons is, I have a hard time understanding how Simmons and Thybule would fit in with Conley, DM and Gobert. Do we relegate Royce to the bench? What is Simmons or Conleys role if the other is handling the ball? How would we overcome teams packing the paint on defense and ignoring Gobert and Simmons when they are not near the basket? It seems we would only have at most 2 outside shooters (perhaps just 2 shooters period) on the floor at any given time, which isn't conducive to modern basketball.

[babyjax13]

Celtics fans liked Ingles for Richardson straight up on the trade board, so I think that one is in play. I think we could also send them 2 2nds to take Schroder into our TPE just so that they can parlay that into a longer-term player because he comes with no bird rights. We then also have our 2026/2027 1st (depending on when the pick conveys to OKC) to try another player, likely with Clarkson going out (and we'd likely need to include value to move Clarkson with his current level of play). I could see the following happening:

Trade 1: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike, 2026 UTA 1st (1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC in 2024], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2025], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2026], 1-14 protected)
for
Robert Covington

Trade 2: Joe Ingles for Josh Richardson

Trade 3: 2022 MEM 2nd, 2025 UTA 2nd for Dennis Schroder (using TPE)

I could see all of this combined with Boston sending out a first to get Anfernee Simons from Portland...but the result would be:

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14/Covington
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 14/Paschall 6
O'neale 24/Covington 24/House
Mitchell 32/Richardson 16/Hughes
Conley 28/Schroder 20/Forrest

I think that gives us a lot of perimeter defense without killing our offense. Ball movement in the second unit still looks like a problem, though.

[AingesBurner]

Celtics fans liked Ingles for Richardson straight up on the trade board, so I think that one is in play. I think we could also send them 2 2nds to take Schroder into our TPE just so that they can parlay that into a longer-term player because he comes with no bird rights. We then also have our 2026/2027 1st (depending on when the pick conveys to OKC) to try another player, likely with Clarkson going out (and we'd likely need to include value to move Clarkson with his current level of play). I could see the following happening:

Trade 1: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike, 2026 UTA 1st (1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC in 2024], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2025], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2026], 1-14 protected)
for
Robert Covington

Trade 2: Joe Ingles for Josh Richardson

Trade 3: 2022 MEM 2nd, 2025 UTA 2nd for Dennis Schroder (using TPE)

I could see all of this combined with Boston sending out a first to get Anfernee Simons from Portland...but the result would be:

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14/Covington
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 14/Paschall 6
O'neale 24/Covington 24/House
Mitchell 32/Richardson 16/Hughes
Conley 28/Schroder 20/Forrest

I think that gives us a lot of perimeter defense without killing our offense. Ball movement in the second unit still looks like a problem, though.

I think Paschall is earning more minutes, don't mind this though, I would still like to swap Ingles for Morris though, we can put O'Neale to the bench, where he honestly belongs. Trade Clarkson for Richardson.

[babyjax13]

Celtics fans liked Ingles for Richardson straight up on the trade board, so I think that one is in play. I think we could also send them 2 2nds to take Schroder into our TPE just so that they can parlay that into a longer-term player because he comes with no bird rights. We then also have our 2026/2027 1st (depending on when the pick conveys to OKC) to try another player, likely with Clarkson going out (and we'd likely need to include value to move Clarkson with his current level of play). I could see the following happening:

Trade 1: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike, 2026 UTA 1st (1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC in 2024], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2025], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2026], 1-14 protected)
for
Robert Covington

Trade 2: Joe Ingles for Josh Richardson

Trade 3: 2022 MEM 2nd, 2025 UTA 2nd for Dennis Schroder (using TPE)

I could see all of this combined with Boston sending out a first to get Anfernee Simons from Portland...but the result would be:

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14/Covington
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 14/Paschall 6
O'neale 24/Covington 24/House
Mitchell 32/Richardson 16/Hughes
Conley 28/Schroder 20/Forrest

I think that gives us a lot of perimeter defense without killing our offense. Ball movement in the second unit still looks like a problem, though.

I think Paschall is earning more minutes, don't mind this though, I would still like to swap Ingles for Morris though, we can put O'Neale to the bench, where he honestly belongs. Trade Clarkson for Richardson.

I don't think Morris is a good player or someone I'd want on the team. It is hard with the bench. We have a lot of guys who would be excellent in that 9th man role (I put Eric there) but also several who are better than that, which results in squeezing out actual rotation level players.

[AingesBurner]

Celtics fans liked Ingles for Richardson straight up on the trade board, so I think that one is in play. I think we could also send them 2 2nds to take Schroder into our TPE just so that they can parlay that into a longer-term player because he comes with no bird rights. We then also have our 2026/2027 1st (depending on when the pick conveys to OKC) to try another player, likely with Clarkson going out (and we'd likely need to include value to move Clarkson with his current level of play). I could see the following happening:

Trade 1: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike, 2026 UTA 1st (1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC in 2024], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2025], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2026], 1-14 protected)
for
Robert Covington

Trade 2: Joe Ingles for Josh Richardson

Trade 3: 2022 MEM 2nd, 2025 UTA 2nd for Dennis Schroder (using TPE)

I could see all of this combined with Boston sending out a first to get Anfernee Simons from Portland...but the result would be:

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14/Covington
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 14/Paschall 6
O'neale 24/Covington 24/House
Mitchell 32/Richardson 16/Hughes
Conley 28/Schroder 20/Forrest

I think that gives us a lot of perimeter defense without killing our offense. Ball movement in the second unit still looks like a problem, though.

I think Paschall is earning more minutes, don't mind this though, I would still like to swap Ingles for Morris though, we can put O'Neale to the bench, where he honestly belongs. Trade Clarkson for Richardson.

I don't think Morris is a good player or someone I'd want on the team. It is hard with the bench. We have a lot of guys who would be excellent in that 9th man role (I put Eric there) but also several who are better than that, which results in squeezing out actual rotation level players.

I think Morris brings a certain level of toughness that we are missing, he's shooting well from 3, and no slouch on D, gives us some actual size in the front court. Conley-Mitchell-Bogey-Morris-Gobert is pretty sweet.

[babyjax13]

Might be interesting to put together a list of players as a board we are interested in that might be available, then bring the list over to the trades and transactions forum and see what people put together. Here are guys I know have been mentioned, but please add:

Josh Richardson
Larry Nance
Marcus Morris
Robert Covington
Nic Batum
Josh Hart
Cedi Osman
Jae'Sean Tate
David Nwaba
Delon Wright
Christian Wood
Kyle Kuzma
Ben Simmons


Players available:
Jordan Clarkson
Joe Ingles
Bojan Bogdanovic
Udoka Azubuike

Picks available:
2022 MEM 2nd
2025 UTA 2nd
2026 UTA 2nd
2026 MEM 2nd (30-43 protected)
2027 UTA 1st (if not conveyed to OKC in 2026)
2028 UTA 1st

[Catchall]

Might be interesting to put together a list of players as a board we are interested in that might be available, then bring the list over to the trades and transactions forum and see what people put together. Here are guys I know have been mentioned, but please add:

Josh Richardson
Larry Nance
Marcus Morris
Robert Covington
Nic Batum
Josh Hart
Cedi Osman
Jae'Sean Tate
David Nwaba
Delon Wright


Players available:
Jordan Clarkson
Joe Ingles
Bojan Bogdanovic
Udoka Azubuike

Picks available:
2022 MEM 2nd
2025 UTA 2nd
2026 UTA 2nd
2026 MEM 2nd (30-43 protected)
2027 UTA 1st (if not conveyed to OKC in 2026)
2028 UTA 1st

Unless Ainge comes up with a 'big move' (that moves Bogdanovic), I think the Jazz will offer Ingles' expiring contract, a conditional FRP and a young player (e.g., Butler, Hughes, Dok) for a player with a salary in the $13M range. Looking at your list, I would add ---

Christian Wood
Kyle Kuzma

I do think the Jazz will ask about Harrison Barnes.

[Catchall]

I look at the Houston Rockets as a team a) whose owner is cheap, b) who is trying to lose this year, and c) who is looking for future draft picks.

I would try to sell them on Jared Butler as a local hero and good backcourt complement to Jalen Green, who has the opposite demeanor of Kevin Porter Jr.

So Ingles/Butler/FRP for Christian Wood. Rockets could then flip Ingles to a team like Boston for an additional pick.

A lineup of Conely/Mitchell/Bogdanovic/Wood/Gobert could come out of the west. We get more defensive length and rebounds without, while maintaining spacing and adding another 3-level scoring threat. Plus, we need a guy to match up with Anthony Davis, JJJ, Giannis and KD. I'm not sure Rudy Gay is it. While we're at it, our 5-out lineup with Wood and Paschall takes a leap ahead.

[dr0welf]

Aside from the unlikelihood of the trade, and what a team chemistry risk Simmons is, I have a hard time understanding how Simmons and Thybule would fit in with Conley, DM and Gobert. Do we relegate Royce to the bench? What is Simmons or Conleys role if the other is handling the ball? How would we overcome teams packing the paint on defense and ignoring Gobert and Simmons when they are not near the basket? It seems we would only have at most 2 outside shooters (perhaps just 2 shooters period) on the floor at any given time, which isn't conducive to modern basketball.

I think you bring Thybule off the bench. So your starting 5 Gobert, Oneal, Simmons, DM, Conley... You would still have 3 shooters on the court. Have Simmons take on the pick and roll with Gobert so he can kick to the other 3. Defensively Simmons can guard almost anyone so you can put him on the PF if Oneal is too undersized.

[AingesBurner]

Aside from the unlikelihood of the trade, and what a team chemistry risk Simmons is, I have a hard time understanding how Simmons and Thybule would fit in with Conley, DM and Gobert. Do we relegate Royce to the bench? What is Simmons or Conleys role if the other is handling the ball? How would we overcome teams packing the paint on defense and ignoring Gobert and Simmons when they are not near the basket? It seems we would only have at most 2 outside shooters (perhaps just 2 shooters period) on the floor at any given time, which isn't conducive to modern basketball.

I think you bring Thybule off the bench. So your starting 5 Gobert, Oneal, Simmons, DM, Conley... You would still have 3 shooters on the court. Have Simmons take on the pick and roll with Gobert so he can kick to the other 3. Defensively Simmons can guard almost anyone so you can put him on the PF if Oneal is too undersized.

If we are bringing Simmons in then Conley would be sent somewhere else IMO.

[D Rog]

I liked the idea of Reddish to the Jazz but that went into the crapper. Knicks got him for pretty much nothing. Young, long, athletic 38% 3 point shooter and you have his bird rights thus control his contract for 4-5 more years.

[sip]

Celtics fans liked Ingles for Richardson straight up on the trade board, so I think that one is in play. I think we could also send them 2 2nds to take Schroder into our TPE just so that they can parlay that into a longer-term player because he comes with no bird rights. We then also have our 2026/2027 1st (depending on when the pick conveys to OKC) to try another player, likely with Clarkson going out (and we'd likely need to include value to move Clarkson with his current level of play). I could see the following happening:

Trade 1: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike, 2026 UTA 1st (1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC in 2024], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2025], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2026], 1-14 protected)
for
Robert Covington

Trade 2: Joe Ingles for Josh Richardson

Trade 3: 2022 MEM 2nd, 2025 UTA 2nd for Dennis Schroder (using TPE)

I could see all of this combined with Boston sending out a first to get Anfernee Simons from Portland...but the result would be:

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14/Covington
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 14/Paschall 6
O'neale 24/Covington 24/House
Mitchell 32/Richardson 16/Hughes
Conley 28/Schroder 20/Forrest

I think that gives us a lot of perimeter defense without killing our offense. Ball movement in the second unit still looks like a problem, though.

You really need to stop having us send out 1st rd picks in your trades. Just give it a rest.

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[babyjax13]

Celtics fans liked Ingles for Richardson straight up on the trade board, so I think that one is in play. I think we could also send them 2 2nds to take Schroder into our TPE just so that they can parlay that into a longer-term player because he comes with no bird rights. We then also have our 2026/2027 1st (depending on when the pick conveys to OKC) to try another player, likely with Clarkson going out (and we'd likely need to include value to move Clarkson with his current level of play). I could see the following happening:

Trade 1: Jordan Clarkson, Udoka Azubuike, 2026 UTA 1st (1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC in 2024], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2025], 1-14 protected [if Utah has conveyed its pick to OKC by 2026], 1-14 protected)
for
Robert Covington

Trade 2: Joe Ingles for Josh Richardson

Trade 3: 2022 MEM 2nd, 2025 UTA 2nd for Dennis Schroder (using TPE)

I could see all of this combined with Boston sending out a first to get Anfernee Simons from Portland...but the result would be:

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14/Covington
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 14/Paschall 6
O'neale 24/Covington 24/House
Mitchell 32/Richardson 16/Hughes
Conley 28/Schroder 20/Forrest

I think that gives us a lot of perimeter defense without killing our offense. Ball movement in the second unit still looks like a problem, though.

You really need to stop having us send out 1st rd picks in your trades. Just give it a rest.

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