Rudy Gobert traded to the Timberwolves!

[Rauxcee]

Am I the only person here who values our stars highly? Like... I get the frustration of the way the season ended but to me it's wild thinking Bam has higher value than Mitchell.

I dont have Bam has higher value, but with Gobert gone I'm committed to blowing it all up. A Mitchell-Bam swap to me would be about flipping Bam for more assets at some point. Trade deadline? Lots of tes would be interested in Bam.

That's the thing. I don't see a world in which Bam gets you more value than Mitchell? Not now, not in 6 months, not in 2 years...

Listen, that was yesterday when my emotions were all over the place. The more I think about it, the more I've changed my mind- The Heat would need to sweeten the deal with picks.


I haven't changed my mind on trading Mitchell though. That still needs to happen.

[wco81]

Kessler nbadraft.net evaluation.....9 for size, 9 for defense. Averaged 4.7 blocks a game last year....that is a lot.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/walker-kessler/

Yes as soon as I realized that we got a skilled defensive, shot blocking machine, I was much releived. If you include the 2022 FRP, we got 5 FRPs, 2022, 2023, 2025, 2027, and 2029, plus a swap! You never what the future holds, look how fast the "dynasty" of KD, Irving, and Harden lasted. We also got arguably the best GM in the business, who better to build a team through the draft than him? He drafted Tatum over Fultz, drafted Brown, Smart, R.Williams, etc. We're in great hands for the future and could be very good as soon as this season as well. Free JUST started.

Does Ainge have the formal GM role or is he in charge of all basketball operations?

This trade definitely has his signature on it though, as far as getting a lot of picks. But Rudi is still going to be a DPOY-level player for a few more years whereas when he traded KG and Pierce, they were around their mid 30s I think.

[FJS]

Just watching his IG post.
He is class. Favors, Ingles, Royce saying nothing but great thing about him (maybe someone more, but I didn't read everything).

[SoCalJazzFan]

Just watching his IG post.
He is class. Favors, Ingles, Royce saying nothing but great thing about him (maybe someone more, but I didn't read everything).

I agree, however, I haven't seen anything from Donovan Mitchell, have you?

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Just watching his IG post.
He is class. Favors, Ingles, Royce saying nothing but great thing about him (maybe someone more, but I didn't read everything).

I agree, however, I haven't seen anything from Donovan Mitchell, have you?

Follow Woj for Don's thoughts. He's leaking his feelings through him nowadays. Last we heard he was "unsettled and unnerved and questioning the direction of the franchise"...

[76ciology]

Great trade for you guys!

A guy im high with on this draft is Walker Kessler. Not only has he have ATG level block numbers in college but he has one of the highest WARP numbers from Kevin Pelton.

Kessler, as well as Gobert, is a great example on why you should not pay highly for a big unless its a superstar offensive player.

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Great trade for you guys!

A guy im high with on this draft is Walker Kessler. Not only has he have ATG level block numbers in college but he has one of the highest WARP numbers from Kevin Pelton.

Kessler, as well as Gobert, is a great example on why you should not pay highly for a big unless its a superstar offensive player.

Gobert slander is not tolarated around here. Kessler is going to be lucky if he ever becomes good enough to be Rudy's water boy.

But overall, I agree... if we HAD to trade Gobert(and it seems like we had to) this is good value to get back for him.

[FJS]

Just watching his IG post.
He is class. Favors, Ingles, Royce saying nothing but great thing about him (maybe someone more, but I didn't read everything).

I agree, however, I haven't seen anything from Donovan Mitchell, have you?

No... I see a history for Royce, nothing about Rudy. However, he post something in his histories about Rudy Birthday.

[Inigo Montoya]

Great trade for you guys!

A guy im high with on this draft is Walker Kessler. Not only has he have ATG level block numbers in college but he has one of the highest WARP numbers from Kevin Pelton.

Kessler, as well as Gobert, is a great example on why you should not pay highly for a big unless its a superstar offensive player.

Gobert slander is not tolarated around here. Kessler is going to be lucky if he ever becomes good enough to be Rudy's water boy.

But overall, I agree... if we HAD to trade Gobert(and it seems like we had to) this is good value to get back for him.

I'm assuming this was said in jest, but saying that Gobert is overpaid isn't slander, and I happen to agree. His contract is way too large.

As for Kessler, I don't know much about him and I doubt he'll turn out to be anywhere close to as good as Gobert, but he does look interesting, I must say.

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Great trade for you guys!

A guy im high with on this draft is Walker Kessler. Not only has he have ATG level block numbers in college but he has one of the highest WARP numbers from Kevin Pelton.

Kessler, as well as Gobert, is a great example on why you should not pay highly for a big unless its a superstar offensive player.

Gobert slander is not tolarated around here. Kessler is going to be lucky if he ever becomes good enough to be Rudy's water boy.

But overall, I agree... if we HAD to trade Gobert(and it seems like we had to) this is good value to get back for him.

I'm assuming this was said in jest, but saying that Gobert is overpaid isn't slander, and I happen to agree. His contract is way too large.

As for Kessler, I don't know much about him and I doubt he'll turn out to be anywhere close to as good as Gobert, but he does look interesting, I must say.

I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion.

Overpaid players don't return 5(... let me repeat this just in case it hasn't sunk in yet - FIVE) 1st round picks(3 of them unprotected) + pick swap + 40M worth of expirings.

[Inigo Montoya]

Gobert slander is not tolarated around here. Kessler is going to be lucky if he ever becomes good enough to be Rudy's water boy.

But overall, I agree... if we HAD to trade Gobert(and it seems like we had to) this is good value to get back for him.

I'm assuming this was said in jest, but saying that Gobert is overpaid isn't slander, and I happen to agree. His contract is way too large.

As for Kessler, I don't know much about him and I doubt he'll turn out to be anywhere close to as good as Gobert, but he does look interesting, I must say.

I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion.

Overpaid players don't return 5(... let me repeat this just in case it hasn't sunk in yet - FIVE) 1st round picks(3 of them unprotected) + pick swap + 40M worth of expirings.

What can I say, Danny Ainge is good.

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I'm assuming this was said in jest, but saying that Gobert is overpaid isn't slander, and I happen to agree. His contract is way too large.

As for Kessler, I don't know much about him and I doubt he'll turn out to be anywhere close to as good as Gobert, but he does look interesting, I must say.

I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion.

Overpaid players don't return 5(... let me repeat this just in case it hasn't sunk in yet - FIVE) 1st round picks(3 of them unprotected) + pick swap + 40M worth of expirings.

What can I say, Danny Ainge is good.

Or... Rudy is actually good? Which allowed Ainge to do his thing?

[Inigo Montoya]

I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion.

Overpaid players don't return 5(... let me repeat this just in case it hasn't sunk in yet - FIVE) 1st round picks(3 of them unprotected) + pick swap + 40M worth of expirings.

What can I say, Danny Ainge is good.

Or... Rudy is actually good? Which allowed Ainge to do his thing?

There is no argument that Gobert is good. Nobody says he's a scrub. It doesn't mean his gargantuan contract is justified.

[76ciology]

Great trade for you guys!

A guy im high with on this draft is Walker Kessler. Not only has he have ATG level block numbers in college but he has one of the highest WARP numbers from Kevin Pelton.

Kessler, as well as Gobert, is a great example on why you should not pay highly for a big unless its a superstar offensive player.

Gobert slander is not tolarated around here. Kessler is going to be lucky if he ever becomes good enough to be Rudy's water boy.

But overall, I agree... if we HAD to trade Gobert(and it seems like we had to) this is good value to get back for him.

I'm assuming this was said in jest, but saying that Gobert is overpaid isn't slander, and I happen to agree. His contract is way too large.

As for Kessler, I don't know much about him and I doubt he'll turn out to be anywhere close to as good as Gobert, but he does look interesting, I must say.

I did a lot of research on Kessler, because i want my team to draft him. Two things that I find only few people know are Kessler can be a good shooter. He was a jump shooter in HS. I also find Kessler to be mobile on defense. Yes, he may get blown by but he can recover and challenge. But he is too aggressive on defense and its leading to him getting into foul trouble alot

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What can I say, Danny Ainge is good.

Or... Rudy is actually good? Which allowed Ainge to do his thing?

There is no argument that Gobert is good. Nobody says he's a scrub. It doesn't mean his gargantuan contract is justified.

When a team gives you 5 1sts for that contract, it kind of means it's justified...

[Inigo Montoya]

Or... Rudy is actually good? Which allowed Ainge to do his thing?

There is no argument that Gobert is good. Nobody says he's a scrub. It doesn't mean his gargantuan contract is justified.

When a team gives you 5 1sts for that contract, it kind of means it's justified...

I beg to differ. We've seen plenty of trades that were lopsided and got the GM fired, and that we all said in real time that they weren't good trades.

Anyway, I'm not really trying to change anyone's mind about Gobert's contract, as I've stated my opinion on it many times before. If people think that his contract is good, I respect that and that's their opinion, and in any case, Gobert's contract is now Minnesota's problem thanks to Ainge. But saying that Gobert is paid too much isn't slander, and that's what made me respond (which, again, if said in jest, just makes this whole exchange moot).

[Denizfeital]

I have strong feelings about this trade.

1) I respect Rudy Gobert a lot and he always played with his heart. Very different from half of our team. He didn't want the spotlight, he wanted to win.

2) He was incredible defensively, but unfortunately, he lacked offensive skills (if that it's his fault or coaching fault we may found out in the next couple of years).

3) Having him on the books for more 4 years and around 160M is a lot. Just an example, watching Robert Williams from the Celtics in the Finals making 12M a year and playing at center made me wonder.

4) What we got from Rudy (5 players and 4 First Round pics) is amazing, I loved it.

5 and most importantly: This team, unfortunately, had no chance to win it all and it is only getting older. I think we lost our changes in the last couple of years and a change would be needed soon. It already started.

If we are happy going to playoffs and have early exits, we should keep the team. I am not happy with that. I welcome the change.

Regards,

Deniz

[dr0welf]

Rudy is a great player and very valuable to a team. His contract is a little rich without him developing more of an offensive game. But with the new tv agreement coming his contract won't be that bad. Its insane how much money is about to go through the league. So I had no problem building around him. He brings a selflessness that is rare in the NBA in a top 20 player and that in itself is very valuable to a team.

It makes me believe their was more to the Mitchell/Gobert issue than I thought. Where Mitchell hasn't come out saying anything for Goberts departing it speaks more in itself.

[Rauxcee]

Rudy is a great player and very valuable to a team. His contract is a little rich without him developing more of an offensive game. But with the new tv agreement coming his contract won't be that bad. Its insane how much money is about to go through the league. So I had no problem building around him. He brings a selflessness that is rare in the NBA in a top 20 player and that in itself is very valuable to a team.

It makes me believe their was more to the Mitchell/Gobert issue than I thought. Where Mitchell hasn't come out saying anything for Goberts departing it speaks more in itself.

That has left a real sour taste in my mouth. Part of me wants to say it's because he himself is in limbo on where he'll be playing next season, but I'm not so sure. Did he say anything when Royce was traded?

[mcbsst]

What is everyone expecting now? Is it ship or bust? Be happy about a division title? Happy to just have a chance? There’s about a 3-4 year window. What will make it a bad trade