Current State of Donovan

[AingesBurner]

I think New York will start feeling the pressure at the beginning of August if nothing is done. Danny can have Woj leak serious misinformation about other teams that want Donovan. I hope by the time the trade happens it’s another Master Class by Danny.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Marc Stein has said recently that Ainge wants 7 picks and young players for Mitchell.

[Trifecta47]

I'm sure this isn't the place for politics. But what I can tell you is that I am always learning something new. As a professional sales guy who trains I always try to look at and understand everyone's position. It allows for compromise, finding middle ground, and ultimately closing a deal.

The origin of the word slave came from slav. And I assure you the slavs are a super white people. As a history buff I have a pretty good understanding of the civil war. It's quite possible the poster is also a history buff and just has come to a different set of conclusions than you. As a moderate left guy I can assure you that your methods will only drive people socially and politically in the opposite direction you'd like to see them go.

As someone who has traveled around the world I can assure you that the rest of the planet isn't more involved. In fact many immigrants would be the first to tell you how in so many ways our society is more evolved and they are extremely happy for the opportunity here. And our society is more diverse and better for it. Get educated is not an argument. It's the lack of one.

How do you know I'm not a history buff. In fact, I'm not merely a history buff but have written eight published books about the antebellum Underground Railroad and considered a national authority of the subject and have been used by the NY Times as a source about it. There is no doubt that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, and all the other theories that suggest something else are myths created by southern and racist apologists, which is often called, "The Lost Cause Myth."

I know Utah is trying to overcome its history of racism, but it is what it is at present -- why do you think some NBA players don't want to play for the Jazz.

[pickIBL]

I'm sure this isn't the place for politics. But what I can tell you is that I am always learning something new. As a professional sales guy who trains I always try to look at and understand everyone's position. It allows for compromise, finding middle ground, and ultimately closing a deal.

The origin of the word slave came from slav. And I assure you the slavs are a super white people. As a history buff I have a pretty good understanding of the civil war. It's quite possible the poster is also a history buff and just has come to a different set of conclusions than you. As a moderate left guy I can assure you that your methods will only drive people socially and politically in the opposite direction you'd like to see them go.

As someone who has traveled around the world I can assure you that the rest of the planet isn't more involved. In fact many immigrants would be the first to tell you how in so many ways our society is more evolved and they are extremely happy for the opportunity here. And our society is more diverse and better for it. Get educated is not an argument. It's the lack of one.

How do you know I'm not a history buff. In fact, I'm not merely a history buff but have written eight published books about the antebellum Underground Railroad and considered a national authority of the subject and have been used by the NY Times as a source about it. There is no doubt that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, and all the other theories that suggest something else are myths created by southern and racist apologists, which is often called, "The Lost Cause Myth."

I know Utah is trying to overcome its history of racism, but it is what it is at present -- why do you think some NBA players don't want to play for the Jazz.

If you read for comprehension and understanding and not to respond with your argument you'll notice that I typed the he could also be a history buff. That means I was also crediting you with knowledge of history as well.

Just... yikes man.

[Trifecta47]

I'm sure this isn't the place for politics. But what I can tell you is that I am always learning something new. As a professional sales guy who trains I always try to look at and understand everyone's position. It allows for compromise, finding middle ground, and ultimately closing a deal.

The origin of the word slave came from slav. And I assure you the slavs are a super white people. As a history buff I have a pretty good understanding of the civil war. It's quite possible the poster is also a history buff and just has come to a different set of conclusions than you. As a moderate left guy I can assure you that your methods will only drive people socially and politically in the opposite direction you'd like to see them go.

As someone who has traveled around the world I can assure you that the rest of the planet isn't more involved. In fact many immigrants would be the first to tell you how in so many ways our society is more evolved and they are extremely happy for the opportunity here. And our society is more diverse and better for it. Get educated is not an argument. It's the lack of one.

How do you know I'm not a history buff. In fact, I'm not merely a history buff but have written eight published books about the antebellum Underground Railroad and considered a national authority of the subject and have been used by the NY Times as a source about it. There is no doubt that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, and all the other theories that suggest something else are myths created by southern and racist apologists, which is often called, "The Lost Cause Myth."

I know Utah is trying to overcome its history of racism, but it is what it is at present -- why do you think some NBA players don't want to play for the Jazz.

Ok, guess you want an argument. Does this satisfy you:

In his so-called Cornerstone Speech, delivered on March 21, 1861, in Savannah, Georgia, the Confederate vice president Alexander H. Stephens described the new Confederate constitution:

“The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists amongst us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution . . .”

Furthermore, he said:
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition.”

[pickIBL]

Sounds like somebody is due for a little time out

[AingesBurner]

I'm sure this isn't the place for politics. But what I can tell you is that I am always learning something new. As a professional sales guy who trains I always try to look at and understand everyone's position. It allows for compromise, finding middle ground, and ultimately closing a deal.

The origin of the word slave came from slav. And I assure you the slavs are a super white people. As a history buff I have a pretty good understanding of the civil war. It's quite possible the poster is also a history buff and just has come to a different set of conclusions than you. As a moderate left guy I can assure you that your methods will only drive people socially and politically in the opposite direction you'd like to see them go.

As someone who has traveled around the world I can assure you that the rest of the planet isn't more involved. In fact many immigrants would be the first to tell you how in so many ways our society is more evolved and they are extremely happy for the opportunity here. And our society is more diverse and better for it. Get educated is not an argument. It's the lack of one.

How do you know I'm not a history buff. In fact, I'm not merely a history buff but have written eight published books about the antebellum Underground Railroad and considered a national authority of the subject and have been used by the NY Times as a source about it. There is no doubt that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, and all the other theories that suggest something else are myths created by southern and racist apologists, which is often called, "The Lost Cause Myth."

I know Utah is trying to overcome its history of racism, but it is what it is at present -- why do you think some NBA players don't want to play for the Jazz.

Ok, guess you want an argument. Does this satisfy you:

In his so-called Cornerstone Speech, delivered on March 21, 1861, in Savannah, Georgia, the Confederate vice president Alexander H. Stephens described the new Confederate constitution:

“The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists amongst us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution . . .”

Furthermore, he said:
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition.”

Are you arguing with yourself?

[red4hf]

This took a strange turn....... And that's coming from someone who loves arguing about history and politics.......

[Rauxcee]

How do you know I'm not a history buff. In fact, I'm not merely a history buff but have written eight published books about the antebellum Underground Railroad and considered a national authority of the subject and have been used by the NY Times as a source about it. There is no doubt that slavery was the cause of the Civil War, and all the other theories that suggest something else are myths created by southern and racist apologists, which is often called, "The Lost Cause Myth."

I know Utah is trying to overcome its history of racism, but it is what it is at present -- why do you think some NBA players don't want to play for the Jazz.

Ok, guess you want an argument. Does this satisfy you:

In his so-called Cornerstone Speech, delivered on March 21, 1861, in Savannah, Georgia, the Confederate vice president Alexander H. Stephens described the new Confederate constitution:

“The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists amongst us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution . . .”

Furthermore, he said:
“Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition.”

Are you arguing with yourself?

I'm not sure how things escalated to what it is, but here we are.

[dr0welf]

Don't need kids be taught there bad because there white or can't achieve great things because there black. All lives matter and that should be taught in the home of every person on the planet. It has no place or need in our schools today. It only leads to more racism.

You don't understand what CRT is. It's teaching the truth about American history that is ignored in the history books; it's teaching what the Civil War was really about; it's about showing that despite the Civil War, the racism has never abated; it's about understanding the origin of the racism in America that continues today.

It has nothing to do with black or white lives matter. All lives matter, but BLM is about the fact in America that white lives matter more than black lives.

Get educated.

Probably not a good idea to get into this topic on this board. Their are other boards for this discussion

[ForeverRDjazz]

Don't need kids be taught there bad because there white or can't achieve great things because there black. All lives matter and that should be taught in the home of every person on the planet. It has no place or need in our schools today. It only leads to more racism.

You don't understand what CRT is. It's teaching the truth about American history that is ignored in the history books; it's teaching what the Civil War was really about; it's about showing that despite the Civil War, the racism has never abated; it's about understanding the origin of the racism in America that continues today.

It has nothing to do with black or white lives matter. All lives matter, but BLM is about the fact in America that white lives matter more than black lives.

Get educated.

That's crazy talk. Fact in America white lives matter more is crap. And the more people scream racism more more life it gets. When people learn there is only one race and that's human race hate will find a way to live on. Seen teacher crying black people have more of a up hill battle. This paints black are lower class citizen and less likely to success. This country you study and work hard you'll have great success. School isn't the place. Home is the place to teach love. Laying that problem onto teachers is just another way to blame others for personal values. Even in your post your claiming white lives matter more and that's garbage and should NEVER be taught anywhere. Even your preaching it? Why? If your children are black would you tell them they mean less because of there skin color?

[Rauxcee]

Marc Stein has said recently that Ainge wants 7 picks and young players for Mitchell.

Honestly I feel like that is a ridiculous asking price. I get starting the conversation high, so you can hopefully negotiate down to what you actually want, but yeesh. That's kinda crazy to me.

[dr0welf]

Marc Stein has said recently that Ainge wants 7 picks and young players for Mitchell.

Honestly I feel like that is a ridiculous asking price. I get starting the conversation high, so you can hopefully negotiate down to what you actually want, but yeesh. That's kinda crazy to me.

It tells me they really don't want to trade Donovan. But if they get an offer they can't refuse then they will.... I think this is the offer they can't refuse

[Rauxcee]

Marc Stein has said recently that Ainge wants 7 picks and young players for Mitchell.

Honestly I feel like that is a ridiculous asking price. I get starting the conversation high, so you can hopefully negotiate down to what you actually want, but yeesh. That's kinda crazy to me.

It tells me they really don't want to trade Donovan. But if they get an offer they can't refuse then they will.... I think this is the offer they can't refuse

I suppose you're right. It's just not a direction I'm confident or hopeful about at all. I know some people think we can build around Donny, but I don't think we will be any more successful than we have been- so I fail to see the point. That's my issue as a fan I guess.

[Trifecta47]

Probably not a good idea to get into this topic on this board. Their are other boards for this discussion

So, you admit there are a bunch of racists on here, apparently. The point I was making was that Don started to sour on Utah because of its racism, or so I heard from others. I didn't really feel that the people were racist but LDS is -- why else would they ban CRT (most of the politicians are LDS) and they run the state, unfortunately, and really make it an unwelcome place unless you're LDS. I know because I lived there and left. And as you see the guy who made that comment about "All Lives Matter," shows he doesn't understand BLM, and made another comment in the same vein. I'm done commenting on here.

[ForeverRDjazz]

Probably not a good idea to get into this topic on this board. Their are other boards for this discussion

So, you admit there are a bunch of racists on here, apparently. The point I was making was that Don started to sour on Utah because of its racism, or so I heard from others. I didn't really feel that the people were racist but LDS is -- why else would they ban CRT (most of the politicians are LDS) and they run the state, unfortunately, and really make it an unwelcome place unless you're LDS. I know because I lived there and left. And as you see the guy who made that comment about "All Lives Matter," shows he doesn't understand BLM, and made another comment in the same vein. I'm done commenting on here.

Looks like you feed off hate and the more you push your hate helps you feel good only feeds racism. Don't need kids feeling less or better than others because of there skin color. What part don't you understand? Now you want to label LDS as the cause? You do know Joe Smith ran for president on anti slave card and wanted to ban slavery. One of the first person to join the LDS church was black man? Smith said slavery made his blood boil. The church is growing faster among blacks today. Sure the racist card will never stop being used but the value isn't worth anything because it's be over used.
One of the first people to join the Mormon church was Elijah Able, a well-documented black priesthood holder in the 19th century. Able was baptized at the age of 22 in 1832 and twice more later in his life – in 1853 with his wife and in 1857 with his son.

[AingesBurner]

Probably not a good idea to get into this topic on this board. Their are other boards for this discussion

So, you admit there are a bunch of racists on here, apparently. The point I was making was that Don started to sour on Utah because of its racism, or so I heard from others. I didn't really feel that the people were racist but LDS is -- why else would they ban CRT (most of the politicians are LDS) and they run the state, unfortunately, and really make it an unwelcome place unless you're LDS. I know because I lived there and left. And as you see the guy who made that comment about "All Lives Matter," shows he doesn't understand BLM, and made another comment in the same vein. I'm done commenting on here.

CRT is law class that most children wouldn’t understand. Also, it’s a theory aka a philosophical idea.

[FJS]

This is a basketball board.

There's no sense in talk about this kind of things here. This is a sensitive stuff and can go out of hand pretty quickly.

To criticize in that way LDS is not helping either.

I'm gonna lock it and talk with my colls about consequences.

You can talk about Mitchell in any other thread where we are discussing possible trades.

Regards,

Fran.

[Inigo Montoya]

The thread is open again. No politics please.

[AingesBurner]

PK’s report is quite interesting, guess he dropped Gobert news first. I imagine it goes down today or tomorrow. Plus there is the cryptic Donovan tweet. It will be nice not having to decipher his cryptic tweets, have fun with that Knicks fans.