Utah after Indiana's Jeff Foster?
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jazzfan1971
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I like Foster, he doesn't block shots though. And I'd sure like that to be included in any center we bring in.
But, if the price was right Foster could help this team.
But, if the price was right Foster could help this team.
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track86 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
What difference does it make if he's white?
greg ostertag
adam keefe
greg foster
curtis borchardt
BEN HANDLOGTEN
scott padgett
jus sayin, jazz haven't had the most succesful history with the big white man with the exception of eaton. oh wait, did i mention greg ostertag?
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Foster would be the first Big-Man to come off the bench on any team....IMHO.....the type of Big Man coming off the bench that Western Conference teams would like to have.
Obviously, he is a very solid Rebounder, one of the best offensive Rebounders in the league, he's an Energy type player, his offensive game is limited as a 4th/5th scoring option and a very solid Big Man defender.
He may not be a scoring threat like Okur or Boozer.....but if you need a player to provide some solid defense against Big guys like Duncan or Gasol...he's your guy.
Like most of you here.....I've been trying to figure out some trade that would make sense for both teams and came to the realization that there is no trade that would work.
I know that many of you would likely object....but the likely targets that the Pacers FO would likely want is either Milsap, Almond, or ( preferably ) both ( which I know is unlikely ).
Unfortunately, short of centering some deal around Foster for Harpring ( which makes no sense for an already SF heavy Pacers lineup ), there really isn't any trade that makes sense for the Pacers.
The problem is that there isn't any combination of players that the Pacers could get in return that would work out from a Financial POV.
Obviously, he is a very solid Rebounder, one of the best offensive Rebounders in the league, he's an Energy type player, his offensive game is limited as a 4th/5th scoring option and a very solid Big Man defender.
He may not be a scoring threat like Okur or Boozer.....but if you need a player to provide some solid defense against Big guys like Duncan or Gasol...he's your guy.
Like most of you here.....I've been trying to figure out some trade that would make sense for both teams and came to the realization that there is no trade that would work.
I know that many of you would likely object....but the likely targets that the Pacers FO would likely want is either Milsap, Almond, or ( preferably ) both ( which I know is unlikely ).
Unfortunately, short of centering some deal around Foster for Harpring ( which makes no sense for an already SF heavy Pacers lineup ), there really isn't any trade that makes sense for the Pacers.
The problem is that there isn't any combination of players that the Pacers could get in return that would work out from a Financial POV.
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lmao.....Millsap AND Almond for Foster? roflcopter baby!
dude, that is like me saying I would prefer that we get Danny Granger and Shawne Williams in a deal where we shipped you Jarron Collins.
Listen, I DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE JEFF FOSTER, ok? He is a good player, a guy who could play a nice role for a contending team, but let's not sit and pretend that the guy has any real worth for your team. The BEST that you could hope to get for him would be a future late 1st and cap relief, and that would have to be considered a real coup.
The hard facts are that he isn't even a starter on a crappy team. He is not going to be part of any future success for the Pacers, and that makes him dead weight. When you have dead weight like that, you get rid of it. Its pretty simple. You don't ask a contending team to give you one--let alone TWO--of its top prospects in return for your dead weight. Its ludicrous to even talk about.
If you were literally trying to give this guy away, no cap ramifications or peripheral considerations, but just GIVE HIM AWAY, there are only a small handful of teams that would take on his 13million dollar contract. Those teams are teams that are in a win-now mode, who have an open spot in the rotation that could be filled by a hard nosed rebounder/defender with limited athletic ability and skill.
The Jazz just happen to be one of those teams. But we're talking about a 31 year old career backup with 13 million in guaranteed money coming to him. This is not hard to understand.
And, please, don't he so stupid as to pull the "you must have never seen him play" card. There isn't a guy in the NBA getting regular burn that I haven't seen play enough to know what type of player he is. I have seen Foster plenty, and I know what he brings to the table. Would I like to have him. I sure would. Am I going to give up a big chunk of the future to get him? I think I'll pass. And when we win the 'chip, I'll use that stupid little remark in my sig, thank you very much.
dude, that is like me saying I would prefer that we get Danny Granger and Shawne Williams in a deal where we shipped you Jarron Collins.
Listen, I DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE JEFF FOSTER, ok? He is a good player, a guy who could play a nice role for a contending team, but let's not sit and pretend that the guy has any real worth for your team. The BEST that you could hope to get for him would be a future late 1st and cap relief, and that would have to be considered a real coup.
The hard facts are that he isn't even a starter on a crappy team. He is not going to be part of any future success for the Pacers, and that makes him dead weight. When you have dead weight like that, you get rid of it. Its pretty simple. You don't ask a contending team to give you one--let alone TWO--of its top prospects in return for your dead weight. Its ludicrous to even talk about.
If you were literally trying to give this guy away, no cap ramifications or peripheral considerations, but just GIVE HIM AWAY, there are only a small handful of teams that would take on his 13million dollar contract. Those teams are teams that are in a win-now mode, who have an open spot in the rotation that could be filled by a hard nosed rebounder/defender with limited athletic ability and skill.
The Jazz just happen to be one of those teams. But we're talking about a 31 year old career backup with 13 million in guaranteed money coming to him. This is not hard to understand.
And, please, don't he so stupid as to pull the "you must have never seen him play" card. There isn't a guy in the NBA getting regular burn that I haven't seen play enough to know what type of player he is. I have seen Foster plenty, and I know what he brings to the table. Would I like to have him. I sure would. Am I going to give up a big chunk of the future to get him? I think I'll pass. And when we win the 'chip, I'll use that stupid little remark in my sig, thank you very much.
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celtspacers wrote:Have you ever seen Jeff foster. I dont think you have. or you wouldn't have said limited athletic ability.. He's one of the most athletic players you will see at his size. He's not just a rebounder. He hustles and gets to more loose balls than anyone in the league. Utah can keep they're crap and Indy will keep they'res and neither will win a Championship.
Neither will win a championship swapping scrubs, either. Oh, and by the way, we're done trading for role players/bench warmers that make $6 million a year....we got the one that will help us.
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erudite23 wrote:lmao.....Millsap AND Almond for Foster? roflcopter baby!
dude, that is like me saying I would prefer that we get Danny Granger and Shawne Williams in a deal where we shipped you Jarron Collins.
Listen, I DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE JEFF FOSTER, ok? He is a good player, a guy who could play a nice role for a contending team, but let's not sit and pretend that the guy has any real worth for your team. The BEST that you could hope to get for him would be a future late 1st and cap relief, and that would have to be considered a real coup.
The hard facts are that he isn't even a starter on a crappy team. He is not going to be part of any future success for the Pacers, and that makes him dead weight. When you have dead weight like that, you get rid of it. Its pretty simple. You don't ask a contending team to give you one--let alone TWO--of its top prospects in return for your dead weight. Its ludicrous to even talk about.
If you were literally trying to give this guy away, no cap ramifications or peripheral considerations, but just GIVE HIM AWAY, there are only a small handful of teams that would take on his 13million dollar contract. Those teams are teams that are in a win-now mode, who have an open spot in the rotation that could be filled by a hard nosed rebounder/defender with limited athletic ability and skill.
The Jazz just happen to be one of those teams. But we're talking about a 31 year old career backup with 13 million in guaranteed money coming to him. This is not hard to understand.
And, please, don't he so stupid as to pull the "you must have never seen him play" card. There isn't a guy in the NBA getting regular burn that I haven't seen play enough to know what type of player he is. I have seen Foster plenty, and I know what he brings to the table. Would I like to have him. I sure would. Am I going to give up a big chunk of the future to get him? I think I'll pass. And when we win the 'chip, I'll use that stupid little remark in my sig, thank you very much.
It's not what he's worth to us, it's what he's worth to other contending teams. If Utah doesn't pony up, then we'll just ship him to Phoenix or San Antonio, and those teams will get even further ahead of Utah than they already are.
Foster was the starter on our 61-win team 4 years ago, which was a better team than anything the Jazz have had since 3 years before Malone and Stockton broke up. He's not starting now because coach Jim O'Brien likes Murphy's shooting (the same way that he liked Antoine Walker's shooting from the PF position). But I can say with certainty that Jeff Foster is better than Troy Murphy, and since Troy is no less than equal to Memo, that means Foster is better than Memo. Jump shooting big men are a dime a dozen and don't bring in W's. Big men who grab every rebound in sight and play scrappy defense, not so much. Foster will take your soft team to the next level. Memo shooting 42% while rebounding like a SF will not.
As for Okur, in case you haven't noticed, I don't want him, never have, never will. Murphy is considerably more productive than Okur this season, and we're stuck with him, so why pay $9M a season to add a poor rebounding version of him?
Season averages, Murphy on top, Okur on bottom:
Paul Millsap is 6'8" in high heels. He plays with heart, I'll give him that, but he'll never be a starter-worthy player due to his size. We have Diogu who's a more gifted scorer and an equal rebounder while also being an inch taller with a bigger wingspan, and he barely even plays. So why would we want or need Millsap?
I'm torn on Morris Almond. On one hand, he put up huge scoring numbers in college and now in the NBDL. On the other, he's done it against very weak competition, with very questionable shooting percentages, and his overall game looks weak. To me, it looks like there's a better than good chance he's nothing more than a shot chucker.
I really like C.J. Miles. I think he's a future stud. But he's a free agent at seasons end, so he's not worth the risk, especially considering the fact that we lose his bird years in a trade. If we want Miles, we can just offer him $3-4M per in the offseason and move Foster elsewhere.
Your 1st is mildly interesting, but I'm not even sure if it's tradeable since the Korver deal.
I think I'd rather move Foster to Phoenix for Banks and Atlanta's lottery-protected 1st than anything you guys have to offer. That means Phoenix gets even better, while your team stands pat. Considering the Suns are already better than you now, that's not a good thing.
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I agree with our Pacer friend when he says Foster would be better for us than Memeth Okur.
What this teams needs now is a guy that will do the dirty work. Kinda like a Fabrizio Oberto or a Bruce Bowen.
Our team is set offensively , especially since the Korver's trade. Now let's make this team a real though , scrappy ball club.
Foster is the kind of player we would need to become a real defensive club.
Okur is overrated by a lot of people on this board. Like you said a jumpshooting big man is not that incredible : Murphy does the same things , Rasheed Wallace too , Matt Bonner , Bargnagni etc etc...
I'd rather have somebody that can defend the Amares , Duncans , Yaos , of the league (even though i admit Memo is doing a better job lately).
It's clear that this team is never going to win a championship with a Boozer-Okur duo inside. A change needs to be made.
Foster may not take us to the title but we would definitely go in the right direction.
the thing with Foster is that , just like Korver, is a great teammate to have. He plays hard all the time and is always trying to help his teammate.
Even when Indiana is doing a **** season he still plays 100%.That's the kind of player we need.
What this teams needs now is a guy that will do the dirty work. Kinda like a Fabrizio Oberto or a Bruce Bowen.
Our team is set offensively , especially since the Korver's trade. Now let's make this team a real though , scrappy ball club.
Foster is the kind of player we would need to become a real defensive club.
Okur is overrated by a lot of people on this board. Like you said a jumpshooting big man is not that incredible : Murphy does the same things , Rasheed Wallace too , Matt Bonner , Bargnagni etc etc...
I'd rather have somebody that can defend the Amares , Duncans , Yaos , of the league (even though i admit Memo is doing a better job lately).
It's clear that this team is never going to win a championship with a Boozer-Okur duo inside. A change needs to be made.
Foster may not take us to the title but we would definitely go in the right direction.
the thing with Foster is that , just like Korver, is a great teammate to have. He plays hard all the time and is always trying to help his teammate.
Even when Indiana is doing a **** season he still plays 100%.That's the kind of player we need.
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celtspacers wrote:Your correct i wouldn't pay someone 5.5 million a year who can play defence and rebound better than anyone on my team either.
So Jeff Foster is a better defender than AK and a better rebounder than Boozer? Interesting. I must have missed the point where Jeff Foster turned into Ben Wallace, circa 2003. Shouldn't the Pacers be winning just a little bit more with one of the top players in the league?
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May I point out to some of the Jazz fans in this thread who think the Pacers see Foster as some dead weight that it is YOUR GM who is after Foster, not Indy wanting to get rid of their dead weight!
Foster is one of the most popular players in Indy, and we hate to see him leave. We understand though that if he wanted a chance to play on a contender we as Pacers fans want to give him that opportunity. He's been on our team for so long that he deserves a shot at a ring, something the Pacers won't get in the coming years.
So every contending team that can use him (off the bench), better give something valuable to the Pacers and I bet you there WILL be a team (Spurs, Suns, Rockets) that can give a better package than the scrubs some of you think he's worth.
Foster is one of the most popular players in Indy, and we hate to see him leave. We understand though that if he wanted a chance to play on a contender we as Pacers fans want to give him that opportunity. He's been on our team for so long that he deserves a shot at a ring, something the Pacers won't get in the coming years.
So every contending team that can use him (off the bench), better give something valuable to the Pacers and I bet you there WILL be a team (Spurs, Suns, Rockets) that can give a better package than the scrubs some of you think he's worth.
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Oomph wrote:
So every contending team that can use him (off the bench), better give something valuable to the Pacers and I bet you there WILL be a team (Spurs, Suns, Rockets) that can give a better package than the scrubs some of you think he's worth.
How much do you wanna bet that they dont. SAS and Hou have no need for him. PHX does, but they can only offer you Marcus Banks and Brian Skinner. Dallas has no need for him, LA wont make a deal for him. New Orleans would have interest, but could only offer you Bobby Jackson and a 1st. Denver similarly would offer you Najera and a 1st (because they wont throw in JR Smith). Portland doesnt need him and look thats all of the contending west teams...and none of them will give you anything better then the "scrubs" we are offering you.
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The Sheik wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
How much do you wanna bet that they dont. SAS and Hou have no need for him. PHX does, but they can only offer you Marcus Banks and Brian Skinner. Dallas has no need for him, LA wont make a deal for him. New Orleans would have interest, but could only offer you Bobby Jackson and a 1st. Denver similarly would offer you Najera and a 1st (because they wont throw in JR Smith). Portland doesnt need him and look thats all of the contending west teams...and none of them will give you anything better then the "scrubs" we are offering you.
Then an east team will do it. Indiana is better off holding onto Foster until the off season than just giving him away for non-expiring player that won't help them.