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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#661 » by stitches » Tue May 28, 2019 7:10 pm

KqWIN wrote:
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KqWIN wrote:Here's a short case for Jeremy Lamb:

- Still 26
- Comes from toxic franchise
- Plus usage scorer
- Never turns it over
- Decent play type numbers (57.1 Iso, 73.6 PnR, 64.4 Spot up)
- Strong impact metrics (73rd in RPM, 87th RAPM)
- Good rebounder (allows him to play small ball 4)

They won't give up Favors for Lamb.


I don’t think they need to. For me, Lamb is the best strike out candidate.

How much do you think it will take for us to get him? We don't have enough capspace without renouncing Favors IMO.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#662 » by Luigi » Tue May 28, 2019 7:13 pm

In '03-'04, Jerry Sloan coached the ESPN predicted "worst team of all time" to 42-40.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#663 » by stitches » Tue May 28, 2019 7:17 pm

Luigi wrote:https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-regular-season

We're +1000 to get T. Harris :lol:

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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#664 » by Rauxcee » Tue May 28, 2019 7:20 pm

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KqWIN wrote:Favors has a late guarantee date though. They can try and sign someone before they waive him. If Favors is back, it doesn’t mean we never tried.

Now, I would expect DL to brag about bringing Favors regardless of whether or not they tried to sign someone and failed. If he is back, the message will be that they never even thought about waiving him and that it’s a gigantic win to have him back.


I may be wrong, Favors' salary still counts against the cap until the Jazz waive him. So they could talk about scenarios in which they'd waive Favors to create more space to make an offer to player X, but they won't actually be able to make an offer until they waive Favors.


You don’t have to have the cap space to agree upon or offer up a deal. You just have to have the money when he officially signs. This is one of the reasons we have the moratorium. Favs isn’t guaranteed until the 5th or 6th of June, so the Jazz will have until then to try and get a max FA.


July 5th. Its what makes the Favors deal so brilliant, they can keep him or waive him and gamble nothing because they have until then to decide.

And KqWIN is right. You can go after a max player before you waive/renounce/trade anyone. Boston didn't have the cap when Hayward agreed to play for them.They had to trade Bradley before he could sign.

We're not getting a max or near max FA anyway so it's all moot.
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Post#665 » by Luigi » Tue May 28, 2019 7:21 pm

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Luigi wrote:https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-regular-season

We're +1000 to get T. Harris :lol:

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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#666 » by KqWIN » Tue May 28, 2019 7:21 pm

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stitches wrote:They won't give up Favors for Lamb.


I don’t think they need to. For me, Lamb is the best strike out candidate.

How much do you think it will take for us to get him? We don't have enough capspace without renouncing Favors IMO.


$10-15M. We can get there without waiving Favors.
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Post#667 » by Rauxcee » Tue May 28, 2019 7:23 pm

Luigi wrote:https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/nba-regular-season

We're +1000 to get T. Harris :lol:

Hey at least we made it on the list....
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#668 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue May 28, 2019 7:35 pm

Rauxcee wrote:And KqWIN is right. You can go after a max player before you waive/renounce/trade anyone. Boston didn't have the cap when Hayward agreed to play for them.They had to trade Bradley before he could sign.


As far as I know, we can talk to whomever we want and negotiate terms of a deal we can't make yet. But once we make an official offer, we must have the cap space. I can't remember what happened with Hayward, but I'm pretty sure that at the point in time the Celtics offered him a contract, they already had the cap space to allow it.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?

The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#669 » by Luigi » Tue May 28, 2019 7:38 pm

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Rauxcee wrote:And KqWIN is right. You can go after a max player before you waive/renounce/trade anyone. Boston didn't have the cap when Hayward agreed to play for them.They had to trade Bradley before he could sign.


As far as I know, we can talk to whomever we want and negotiate terms of a deal we can't make yet. But once we make an official offer, we must have the cap space. I can't remember what happened with Hayward, but I'm pretty sure that at the point in time the Celtics offered him a contract, they already had the cap space to allow it.


Is it when the offer is made, or signed?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#670 » by stitches » Tue May 28, 2019 7:39 pm

Luigi wrote:
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Rauxcee wrote:And KqWIN is right. You can go after a max player before you waive/renounce/trade anyone. Boston didn't have the cap when Hayward agreed to play for them.They had to trade Bradley before he could sign.


As far as I know, we can talk to whomever we want and negotiate terms of a deal we can't make yet. But once we make an official offer, we must have the cap space. I can't remember what happened with Hayward, but I'm pretty sure that at the point in time the Celtics offered him a contract, they already had the cap space to allow it.


Is it when the offer is made, or signed?

It's when the contract is signed and the call is made to the league office...
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#671 » by KqWIN » Tue May 28, 2019 7:50 pm

FYI: It’s about $14M w/ Favs+Korver. $20M w/ Favs+ waive and stretch Korver.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#672 » by Luigi » Tue May 28, 2019 8:00 pm

20 is enough to get an upgrade somewhere.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#673 » by Daddy 801 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:53 am

Wonder if someone throws a big offer at Brogdon the Bucks would move Bledsoe for Favs. I was a huge fan of getting him like 3-4 years ago. Not sure where he is at as a player right now. Barely watched any Bucks games. Anyone watch any games?


Looked up his stats. Don’t love that 3 point shooting percentage. It’s gotten worse than when I use to want to trade for him. And at 6’1” thats a small backcourt.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#674 » by KqWIN » Wed May 29, 2019 4:38 pm

Maybe I'm just being a Mirotic a fanboy...but now might be the best time to pick him up. He **** the bed in the playoffs. It's definitely a buy low situation...I'm infatuated with the plus minus gods. I still believe he's a much better player than people think.
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Post#675 » by stitches » Wed May 29, 2019 6:05 pm

KqWIN wrote:Maybe I'm just being a Mirotic a fanboy...but now might be the best time to pick him up. He **** the bed in the playoffs. It's definitely a buy low situation...I'm infatuated with the plus minus gods. I still believe he's a much better player than people think.

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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#676 » by stitches » Wed May 29, 2019 8:23 pm

The Jazz are one of the teams interested in CSKA Moscow guard Cory Higgins:

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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#677 » by KqWIN » Wed May 29, 2019 8:42 pm

stitches wrote:The Jazz are one of the teams interested in CSKA Moscow guard Cory Higgins:

Read on Twitter





This same guy randomly asked Walt Perrin about him after the big draft workout. He probably knows we're onto him.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#678 » by Daddy 801 » Wed May 29, 2019 11:03 pm

Anyone still keeping tabs on Aaron Gordon?
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#679 » by KqWIN » Wed May 29, 2019 11:12 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:Anyone still keeping tabs on Aaron Gordon?


His contract is gold. The only way he's getting traded is if he forces his way out.
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Re: Future Free Agent Thread 

Post#680 » by Rauxcee » Thu May 30, 2019 12:59 am

KqWIN wrote:Maybe I'm just being a Mirotic a fanboy...but now might be the best time to pick him up. He **** the bed in the playoffs. It's definitely a buy low situation...I'm infatuated with the plus minus gods. I still believe he's a much better player than people think.


I think Mitotic is a realistic target. Would love him as the 4 coming off the bench instead of Crowder. Might lose something defensively, but I think his positives and strengths outweigh Crowder's.

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