Trade Ideas for This Season

AingesBurner · Post #741 » by **AingesBurner** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:15 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:Some speculate Jazz get 7 picks and Fournier. Good deal?

If those 4 Knicks picks are unprotected then yes.

Catchall · Post #742 » by **Catchall** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:33 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:Some speculate Jazz get 7 picks and Fournier. Good deal?

Five or 6 FRPs would be fine, but at least 3 of them would need to be unprotected Knicks picks. I think that's the holdup.

CAE15 · Post #743 » by **CAE15** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:35 am

Hoops Addict wrote:Some speculate Jazz get 7 picks and Fournier. Good deal?

Not enough salary. So that won't be the deal regardless. I personally don't make a deal without Obi and Grimes

bearadonisdna · Post #744 » by **bearadonisdna** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:26 am

Catchall wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:Some speculate Jazz get 7 picks and Fournier. Good deal?

Five or 6 FRPs would be fine, but at least 3 of them would need to be unprotected Knicks picks. I think that's the holdup.

Instead of 3 unprotected how about 2 and a swap ?
Then 4 more picks.
Then players would be bulk of the youth and a toss up between Fournier and rose.

stitches · Post #745 » by **stitches** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 2:37 pm

Katz on the RealGM show said something interesting - it seems like the Knicks want to keep enough picks so they would be able to pursue another big time player in 2024. With that said... here's what I came up with...

Filler, Topin, Grimes/Quickley
23 NYK, 29 NYK
DAL 23
WAS 23
DET 23
Pick swaps 26, 28

This leaves NYK 4 picks to try to get another star in 24 - NYK 25, NYK 27, NYK 31, MKE 25 + swaps. (they might even include whoever they draft in 24 in the deal after the draft(like we got Kessler).

The awkward thing is... this is starting to become ridiculous for us with the number of picks in the 2023 draft. This would be 7 1st rounders if they all convert. But reality is - a lot of those won't (DAL converts, DET - probably not, WAS probably not)...

We still get one premier assett in an unprotected 29 NYK pick and we get two valuable swaps in case NYK collapses after Don's contract is up.

Catchall · Post #746 » by **Catchall** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:04 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
Catchall wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:Some speculate Jazz get 7 picks and Fournier. Good deal?

Five or 6 FRPs would be fine, but at least 3 of them would need to be unprotected Knicks picks. I think that's the holdup.

Instead of 3 unprotected how about 2 and a swap ?
Then 4 more picks.
Then players would be bulk of the youth and a toss up between Fournier and rose.

I don't think so. I'd need 3 unprotected 1sts, and it wouldn't surprise me if Ainge is asking for 4. I think it also makes sense to do the deal at the deadline or next offseason, when the Jazz can see what the Knicks' 23 FRP looks like. If it's top 10, that would make a difference.

Rauxcee · Post #747 » by **Rauxcee** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:18 pm

I would think the Jazz would use some of there '23 picks to potentially move up in the draft of there was a player they liked. Of course, that doesn't always pan out either.

CAE15 · Post #748 » by **CAE15** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:59 pm

stitches wrote:Katz on the RealGM show said something interesting - it seems like the Knicks want to keep enough picks so they would be able to pursue another big time player in 2024. With that said... here's what I came up with...

Filler, Topin, Grimes/Quickley
23 NYK, 29 NYK
DAL 23
WAS 23
DET 23
Pick swaps 26, 28

This leaves NYK 4 picks to try to get another star in 24 - NYK 25, NYK 27, NYK 31, MKE 25 + swaps. (they might even include whoever they draft in 24 in the deal after the draft(like we got Kessler).

The awkward thing is... this is starting to become ridiculous for us with the number of picks in the 2023 draft. This would be 7 1st rounders if they all convert. But reality is - a lot of those won't (DAL converts, DET - probably not, WAS probably not)...

We still get one premier assett in an unprotected 29 NYK pick and we get two valuable swaps in case NYK collapses after Don's contract is up.

Our premiere asset is a pick 7 years away?! And we only end up with 2 youngsters? Nah, jazz need a fair bit more value

SoCalJazzFan · Post #749 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:38 pm

stitches wrote:Katz on the RealGM show said something interesting - it seems like the Knicks want to keep enough picks so they would be able to pursue another big time player in 2024. With that said... here's what I came up with...

Filler, Topin, Grimes/Quickley
23 NYK, 29 NYK
DAL 23
WAS 23
DET 23
Pick swaps 26, 28

This leaves NYK 4 picks to try to get another star in 24 - NYK 25, NYK 27, NYK 31, MKE 25 + swaps. (they might even include whoever they draft in 24 in the deal after the draft(like we got Kessler).

The awkward thing is... this is starting to become ridiculous for us with the number of picks in the 2023 draft. This would be 7 1st rounders if they all convert. But reality is - a lot of those won't (DAL converts, DET - probably not, WAS probably not)...

We still get one premier assett in an unprotected 29 NYK pick and we get two valuable swaps in case NYK collapses after Don's contract is up.

I would ask for if it is just Knicks and Jazz trade:
2023
NYK 1st,
DET 1st (most likely won't convey as top 18 protected), and
WAS 1st (less than 50% chance conveys as top 14 protected)
Yes, Jazz would have 4-5 picks in 2023, but it is an awesome/deep draft to take swings on players and/or perhaps move up. Plus, we need to jumpstart the tank
2024
NYK 1st
Knicks will have their own or Bucks 2025 pick if they want to make a deal with someone else
2025
MIL 1st (top 4 protected, will probably convey in the 20s unless Giannis injured), or
pick swap with the lesser of Jazz or TWolves pick (I probably prefer this)
2026
NYK 1st
Rose/Fournier, Grimes, Toppin, Quickley for DM and Gay

Hoops Addict · Post #750 » by **Hoops Addict** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:23 pm

Reports say DM trade is done.....will announce today or tomorrow.

whatisacenter · Post #751 » by **whatisacenter** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:24 pm

Will Ainge equal OKC's first round pick haul in one offseason?

Post #752 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:32 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:Reports say DM trade is done.....will announce today or tomorrow.

Source?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #753 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:06 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:Reports say DM trade is done.....will announce today or tomorrow.

Source?

Probably PK of DJ & PK show. Said he got text from someone close to Ainge that deal is essentially done, working out last details, will announce soon. (edit and its a haul)
Edit:

Read on Twitter

SoCalJazzFan · Post #754 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:37 pm

My trade of the day:

NYK- DM, Gay
Knicks get their guy

Pacers- Randle, THT and Lakers picks (could be two 1sts or one 1st and one or two 2nds)
These players shore up lacking depth and gives the Pacers picks for their youth movement/rebuild

Lakers- Conley, Hield, Myles Turner
Laker Nation should be thrilled with this outcome, and their FO should be willing to give up picks for this combo of players, unload RW, and to leverage Lebron to extend his contract.

Jazz- Westbrook (Laker 2nd pick(s) and/or cash considerations), Grimes, Toppin, Quickley and Knick pick haul
Jazz buy out Westbrook and open a ton of cap space next summer without worrying about how to unload Conley or Rose/Fournier.

Gert42 · Post #755 » by **Gert42** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:36 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:
stitches wrote:Katz on the RealGM show said something interesting - it seems like the Knicks want to keep enough picks so they would be able to pursue another big time player in 2024. With that said... here's what I came up with...

Filler, Topin, Grimes/Quickley
23 NYK, 29 NYK
DAL 23
WAS 23
DET 23
Pick swaps 26, 28

This leaves NYK 4 picks to try to get another star in 24 - NYK 25, NYK 27, NYK 31, MKE 25 + swaps. (they might even include whoever they draft in 24 in the deal after the draft(like we got Kessler).

The awkward thing is... this is starting to become ridiculous for us with the number of picks in the 2023 draft. This would be 7 1st rounders if they all convert. But reality is - a lot of those won't (DAL converts, DET - probably not, WAS probably not)...

We still get one premier assett in an unprotected 29 NYK pick and we get two valuable swaps in case NYK collapses after Don's contract is up.

I would ask for if it is just Knicks and Jazz trade:
2023
NYK 1st,
DET 1st (most likely won't convey as top 18 protected), and
WAS 1st (less than 50% chance conveys as top 14 protected)
Yes, Jazz would have 4-5 picks in 2023, but it is an awesome/deep draft to take swings on players and/or perhaps move up. Plus, we need to jumpstart the tank
2024
NYK 1st
Knicks will have their own or Bucks 2025 pick if they want to make a deal with someone else
2025
MIL 1st (top 4 protected, will probably convey in the 20s unless Giannis injured), or
pick swap with the lesser of Jazz or TWolves pick (I probably prefer this)
2026
NYK 1st
Rose/Fournier, Grimes, Toppin, Quickley for DM and Gay

I don't think the Knicks can trade their even year picks in the same trade due to the Stepien rule.

dr0welf · Post #756 » by **dr0welf** » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:07 pm

Utah gets: Westbrook, Grimes, Toppin, NY 2023 1st, NY 2025 1st, NY 2027 1st, Det 2023 1st, LAL 2027 1st

New York gets: Mitchell

Lakers get: Conley, Gay, Fournier

Lakers get some veteran help for Lebron and some pretty decent shooters. They also get out of Westbrook which is unsalvageable at this point.

New York gets Mitchell while only giving up 4 1st (only 3 unprotected) and 2 prospects.

Utah gets 5 1st round picks, 2 prospects, and free up some cap space by buying out Westbrook

SoCalJazzFan · Post #757 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:45 pm

SoCalJazzFan wrote:My trade of the day:

NYK- DM, Gay
Knicks get their guy

Pacers- Randle, THT and Lakers picks (could be two 1sts or one 1st and one or two 2nds)
These players shore up lacking depth and gives the Pacers picks for their youth movement/rebuild

Lakers- Conley, Hield, Myles Turner
Laker Nation should be thrilled with this outcome, and their FO should be willing to give up picks for this combo of players, unload RW, and to leverage Lebron to extend his contract.

Jazz- Westbrook (Laker 2nd pick(s) and/or cash considerations), Grimes, Toppin, Quickley and Knick pick haul
Jazz buy out Westbrook and open a ton of cap space next summer without worrying about how to unload Conley or Rose/Fournier.

Maybe not so crazy of a trade idea afterall.

Read on Twitter

SoCalJazzFan · Post #758 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:19 pm

Gert42 wrote:
SoCalJazzFan wrote:
stitches wrote:Katz on the RealGM show said something interesting - it seems like the Knicks want to keep enough picks so they would be able to pursue another big time player in 2024. With that said... here's what I came up with...

Filler, Topin, Grimes/Quickley
23 NYK, 29 NYK
DAL 23
WAS 23
DET 23
Pick swaps 26, 28

This leaves NYK 4 picks to try to get another star in 24 - NYK 25, NYK 27, NYK 31, MKE 25 + swaps. (they might even include whoever they draft in 24 in the deal after the draft(like we got Kessler).

The awkward thing is... this is starting to become ridiculous for us with the number of picks in the 2023 draft. This would be 7 1st rounders if they all convert. But reality is - a lot of those won't (DAL converts, DET - probably not, WAS probably not)...

We still get one premier assett in an unprotected 29 NYK pick and we get two valuable swaps in case NYK collapses after Don's contract is up.

I would ask for if it is just Knicks and Jazz trade:
2023
NYK 1st,
DET 1st (most likely won't convey as top 18 protected), and
WAS 1st (less than 50% chance conveys as top 14 protected)
Yes, Jazz would have 4-5 picks in 2023, but it is an awesome/deep draft to take swings on players and/or perhaps move up. Plus, we need to jumpstart the tank
2024
NYK 1st
Knicks will have their own or Bucks 2025 pick if they want to make a deal with someone else
2025
MIL 1st (top 4 protected, will probably convey in the 20s unless Giannis injured), or
pick swap with the lesser of Jazz or TWolves pick (I probably prefer this)
2026
NYK 1st
Rose/Fournier, Grimes, Toppin, Quickley for DM and Gay

I don't think the Knicks can trade their even year picks in the same trade due to the Stepien rule.

They would have the Dallas 1st in 2023, which I think (although I could be wrong) satisfies the Stepian rule.

HopelessKnick · Post #759 » by **HopelessKnick** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:20 pm

I think any deal that has the Knicks sending out 2029 unprotected first is absolutely nuts. IMO even a 2027 unprotected is kind of nuts. Given it is the Knicks and Dolan it could be true but it is insane. From everything that I read it seems to me the Jazz asking price is too high---this would only make sense if Mitchell was a clear cut top 10 player in the league but not a borderline top 20 player.

If anything the last 5 years in Utah showed that a well run franchise with two all-stars, solid roster-building and well coached team with DM as the primary star gets you only to the first round of the playoffs. That IMO is not enough to justify 6-7 FRPs , let alone unprotected ones 5-7 years into the future. I surely hope the Knicks are prepared to walk away from that type of deal if push comes to shove.

IMO 2023 + 2025 NYK unprotected along with Mil 2025 (pretty much unprotected) along with Dallas 2023 (will convey) along with Washington or Detroit FRP along with Toppin, McBride and either Grimes or Quickley is definitely a fair deal for both sides. There is a good chance Brunson/Mitchell blows up in our faces and the picks are gonna be real solid. Five FRPs (2-3 of them unprotected and 4 out of the 5 will definitely convey) along with 2-3 young assets seems like a deal both parties could sell to their fanbases.

AingesBurner · Post #760 » by **AingesBurner** » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:05 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:I think any deal that has the Knicks sending out 2029 unprotected first is absolutely nuts. IMO even a 2027 unprotected is kind of nuts. Given it is the Knicks and Dolan it could be true but it is insane. From everything that I read it seems to me the Jazz asking price is too high---this would only make sense if Mitchell was a clear cut top 10 player in the league but not a borderline top 20 player.

If anything the last 5 years in Utah showed that a well run franchise with two all-stars, solid roster-building and well coached team with DM as the primary star gets you only to the first round of the playoffs. That IMO is not enough to justify 6-7 FRPs , let alone unprotected ones 5-7 years into the future. I surely hope the Knicks are prepared to walk away from that type of deal if push comes to shove.

IMO 2023 + 2025 NYK unprotected along with Mil 2025 (pretty much unprotected) along with Dallas 2023 (will convey) along with Washington or Detroit FRP along with Toppin, McBride and either Grimes or Quickley is definitely a fair deal for both sides. There is a good chance Brunson/Mitchell blows up in our faces and the picks are gonna be real solid. Five FRPs (2-3 of them unprotected and 4 out of the 5 will definitely convey) along with 2-3 young assets seems like a deal both parties could sell to their fanbases.

Too light for NY, it’s going to be 23, 27, 29 unprotected NY 1sts, the Milwaukee 1st, and the Denver 1st along with Toppin, Grimes, and Fournier. Stars don’t come cheap and we are not going to get a worse deal than what we got for Gobert.